The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

[bigblue_dl]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Commenting on low attendance figures, which are facts, isn't attacking another program....it is simply stating facts and commenting about them. If my team ever hosted a playoff series, I would sure hope they'd get better if not the same attendance as during the regular season.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Perhaps attacking other programs without any knowledge of the situation is what got that reaction...

I attacked other programs? Where? Cos I was astonished at the lack of support that some CCHA teams seem to be able to generate?

I suggest you go look at the original USCHO Newbie Guide (reference the entry on Drop The Puck) before you continue making assertions that you cannot back up.

Oh, I don't know. Maybe it was somewhere in these lines...

I can only ask why is LSSU even in this conference if they put those kind of numbers up for a home playoff series? Not to mentionFerris Wheel and that pathetic turnout or NMU and it's crap numbers.

And why wouldn't Bemidji sell out a playoff series? And if Tech and Northern were having a playoff series at the Mac and not sell it out then Tech should drop hockey too.

I looked up Mankato's history, since they're the only Existing WCHA team moving into the New WCHA that has actually hosted WCHA playoff hockey (thrice in their history). Looks like for the three seasons (99-00, 03-04, 07-08) they averaged 60% for the regular season, and 80% for the playoffs.

What I attribute the CCHA schools lack of attendance toward is the fact that the two weeks of on-campus games are during spring break, so most those schools lose some numbers there. The CCHA also set the prices for tickets, with no discounts being given to the students (unless a University group or some other entity bought tickets from the league for face value, then re-sold them to the students at a discounted rate).


And, while for this example, I only speak for myself looking upon NMU's playoff record... MQT has an Atlanta Braves playoff mentality. "Oh, they always make the playoffs, but can never win at JLA." Playoff attendance was terrible when I was a student, and it never changed when the CCHA adopted the two round playoffs.


Will the New WCHA teams draw better for the playoffs? I'm sure they will. Going back to my example from yesterday, with MTU playing NMU for the playoffs, I think we could all agree that the Berry Events Center would be filled. I was just looking upon it as a straight up numbers forecast, because not every playoff series will be that good.

 

[stuckinwi]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

I attacked other programs? Where? Cos I was astonished at the lack of support that some CCHA teams seem to be able to generate?

I suggest you go look at the original USCHO Newbie Guide (reference the entry on Drop The Puck) before you continue making assertions that you cannot back up.

Ah, an indirect post count argument... I thought those were invalid, someone mentioned that earlier I believe...

If you don't read this as an attack on other programs, then I guess I can't back up my statement. I don't think that is a problem for most people though...

I can only ask why is LSSU even in this conference if they put those kind of numbers up for a home playoff series? Not to mentionFerris Wheel and that pathetic turnout or NMU and it's crap numbers.

You said yourself you come off as a dick, why are you then surprised when you're called out on it? Seems rather oddly self serving...

 

[Bale]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

I looked up Mankato's history, since they're the only Existing WCHA team moving into the New WCHA that has actually hosted WCHA playoff hockey (thrice in their history). Looks like for the three seasons (99-00, 03-04, 07-08) they averaged 60% for the regular season, and 80% for the playoffs.

I think simply due to this fact, MSU should host a home playoff series every year......you know, for the good of the league.

 

[stuckinwi]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

I think simply due to this fact, MSU should host a home playoff series every year......you know, for the good of the league.

As long as it's not Tech, so I don't have to drive to Mankato... I'm ok with that.

Tech - Northern playoffs would be awesome. I'm just looking forward to Tech - Northern - LSSU games meaning something again. This is the biggest positive of the nWCHA if you ask me...

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Ah, an indirect post count argument... I thought those were invalid, someone mentioned that earlier I believe...

It's not about post count there sparky. Some NMU poster here was the keeper of it. The entry regarding me said something like "Don't match wits with Drop The Puck, nevermind go ahead humility is good for you." ... or something close.

You said yourself you come off as a dick, why are you then surprised when you're called out on it? Seems rather oddly self serving...

There'll be no question (even in your misperceiving mind) when I'm a dick.

Are you really trying to say that "self-serving" isn't a primary modality for any poster in such a stupid argument as this? Do you understand what that even means? What is it that people are doing on the internet? Someone is wrong on the internet. FFS man ... see the world for what it is. Going through life without realizing the limitations of our pitiful human senses is dangerous.

 

[JohnsonsJerseys]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

In my opinion, watching games via the Internet is a good secondary channel for marketing. I think TV / Cable is the still the prime video media for most households and what the league should focus on for maximum exposure. Give it another 8-10 years by that point I think the majority of college hockey fans will be in tune with getting their video feeds through the Inter-web (if they aren't already being beemed straight into our heads at that point). While many of here are cool with the internet, that's a given. We're already on the Internet talking about college hockey. However, having walked around the Final Five this year I can tell you majority of those people are not getting their video from the Internet and they are part of the fan base as well.
Ryan J

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

In my opinion, watching games via the Internet is a good secondary channel for marketing. I think TV / Cable is the still the prime video media for most households and what the league should focus on for maximum exposure.

nWCHA isn't going to be getting any national TV contracts. Whatever exists now on a per program basis is likely as extensive as it's going to get. An internet stream reaches everyone.

 

[stuckinwi]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

It's not about post count there sparky. Some NMU poster here was the keeper of it. The entry regarding me said something like "Don't match wits with Drop The Puck, nevermind go ahead humility is good for you." ... or something close.


There'll be no question (even in your misperceiving mind) when I'm a dick.

Are you really trying to say that "self-serving" isn't a primary modality for any poster in such a stupid argument as this? Do you understand what that even means? What is it that people are doing on the internet? Someone is wrong on the internet. FFS man ... see the world for what it is. Going through life without realizing the limitations of our pitiful human senses is dangerous.

I apologize for not having the noob guide memorized. I don't know if the site is still up to be honest, wasn't the URL something about nmu softball? Pointing me that way as if I'd not seen it was based on my join date and post count. Hence the word "indirect." Apparently those dots didn't connect.

I'm here to keep up on hockey news and discuss them with other hockey fans. Your constant negative attitude towards almost every subject can be rather annoying and, yes, self-serving. And no one is allowed to mention that though or you get all defensive. Either way, I've made my point. I'm done with it. You win. Congrats!

Either way, major kudos on the xkcd reference.

 

[Bale]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

nWCHA isn't going to be getting any national TV contracts. Whatever exists now on a per program basis is likely as extensive as it's going to get. An internet stream reaches everyone.

I think this is the correct answer. I think local cable access is about as much TV coverage as we are going to get. Maybe it's possible to work it out with local companies to broadcast it a bit more broadly, but I have my doubts.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Pointing me that way as if I'd not seen it was based on my join date and post count. Hence the word "indirect." Apparently those dots didn't connect.

I looked at neither your post count nor join date. I've seen your name here. I was just pointing out who I am.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

In my opinion, watching games via the Internet is a good secondary channel for marketing. I think TV / Cable is the still the prime video media for most households and what the league should focus on for maximum exposure. Give it another 8-10 years by that point I think the majority of college hockey fans will be in tune with getting their video feeds through the Inter-web (if they aren't already being beemed straight into our heads at that point). While many of here are cool with the internet, that's a given. We're already on the Internet talking about college hockey. However, having walked around the Final Five this year I can tell you majority of those people are not getting their video from the Internet and they are part of the fan base as well.
Ryan J

Those at the Final Five aren't there because they caught one or two games a year and liked a college team. They're there because they have an affiliation (of some sort) with that University.

Internet video would be the primary marketing tool. Broadcast TV is the primary convenience tool.

How many kids say they want to go to Denver University because Root Sports carries all their games? Who really says "Gee, it would be nice to be part of Michigan or Michigan State because they're always on FS-Detroit?"

The recruiting base that the New WCHA teams will be tapping into are still the same ones they've always used. Western Canada, Heartland "Flyover" States, Local Kids, random European kid the coaches heard about. Of those, only the Local Kids would have easy access to WCHA/CCHA games.

How many of those kids have redly accessible cable/satellite TV that carries these leagues. Let alone, the teams that are trying to scout them? Don't most USHL kids play on Friday and Saturday nights too? I don't think they're seeking out some 2am replay of NoDak-UNO on Fox College Sports Atlantic. Instead, they'd probably want to catch an NHL game on Center Ice.

Now, game highlights easily found on YouTube like the CCHA has provided (in one central place, their YouTube Channel), a central internet streaming site, and other "online features" would be one hell of a way to get the kids attention. They can find game highlights, full game replays, etc. during the day, or during the early part of the week when college games aren't usually happening.


While I'm greedy and want to be able to sit down at a Buffalo Wild Wings once or twice a year to catch my team on TV... I'd rather see most or all the games at my convenience from my couch and streaming internet.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

It's not about post count there sparky. Some NMU poster here was the keeper of it. The entry regarding me said something like "Don't match wits with Drop The Puck, nevermind go ahead humility is good for you." ... or something close.

Someone else came up with it (MaizeRage?) and I think Brenthoven managed it for a little while. I had an archive copy saved to my website, but my old internet host lost the files when he forgot to make payments to his host provider (stupid bills).

I have my website back (kinda), but it's not quite the same anymore and I don't know if I saved a local copy of the Newbie Guide.

 

[uaafanblog]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Those at the Final Five aren't there because they caught one or two games a year and liked a college team. They're there because they have an affiliation (of some sort) with that University.

Internet video would be the primary marketing tool. Broadcast TV is the primary convenience tool.

How many kids say they want to go to Denver University because Root Sports carries all their games? Who really says "Gee, it would be nice to be part of Michigan or Michigan State because they're always on FS-Detroit?"

The recruiting base that the New WCHA teams will be tapping into are still the same ones they've always used. Western Canada, Heartland "Flyover" States, Local Kids, random European kid the coaches heard about. Of those, only the Local Kids would have easy access to WCHA/CCHA games.

How many of those kids have redly accessible cable/satellite TV that carries these leagues. Let alone, the teams that are trying to scout them? Don't most USHL kids play on Friday and Saturday nights too? I don't think they're seeking out some 2am replay of NoDak-UNO on Fox College Sports Atlantic. Instead, they'd probably want to catch an NHL game on Center Ice.

Now, game highlights easily found on YouTube like the CCHA has provided (in one central place, their YouTube Channel), a central internet streaming site, and other "online features" would be one hell of a way to get the kids attention. They can find game highlights, full game replays, etc. during the day, or during the early part of the week when college games aren't usually happening.


While I'm greedy and want to be able to sit down at a Buffalo Wild Wings once or twice a year to catch my team on TV... I'd rather see most or all the games at my convenience from my couch and streaming internet.

What he said ^^^

 

[aygwm2]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Has anyone contacted an AD regarding it?

I wanted to bump up this question from giwan, and ask if any of you, at this point, have any idea what the management in the WCHA and the school ADs are thinking, doing, accomplishing, strategizing about, etc. concerning the issues being discussed within this forum?

Are any of you involved, either directly or peripherally, or do you have connections to the those inside the WCHA or within an individual school that might help those of us on the outside looking in to understand what is being discussed and set into motion?

Simply curious as to what wheels are actually turning in regard to the nWCHA and the product that the nWCHA wants to reveal in the next calendar year.

Thanks...

 

[moose97]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

I wanted to bump up this question from giwan, and ask if any of you, at this point, have any idea what the management in the WCHA and the school ADs are thinking, doing, accomplishing, strategizing about, etc. concerning the issues being discussed within this forum?

Are any of you involved, either directly or peripherally, or do you have connections to the those inside the WCHA or within an individual school that might help those of us on the outside looking in to understand what is being discussed and set into motion?

Simply curious as to what wheels are actually turning in regard to the nWCHA and the product that the nWCHA wants to reveal in the next calendar year.

Thanks...

Yes.

edit - I was going to leave it at that, but thought better of it. I think everyone knows that I have connections. When they want you to know, you'll know. I'm certainly not going to jeopardize those relationships telling folks here anything those folks don't want you folks to know yet.

 

[Flashy Man]

I wanted to bump up this question from giwan, and ask if any of you, at this point, have any idea what the management in the WCHA and the school ADs are thinking, doing, accomplishing, strategizing about, etc. concerning the issues being discussed within this forum?

Are any of you involved, either directly or peripherally, or do you have connections to the those inside the WCHA or within an individual school that might help those of us on the outside looking in to understand what is being discussed and set into motion?

Simply curious as to what wheels are actually turning in regard to the nWCHA and the product that the nWCHA wants to reveal in the next calendar year.

Thanks...

I've had some discussions with people.

 

[aygwm2]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

Yes.

edit - I was going to leave it at that, but thought better of it. I think everyone knows that I have connections. When they want you to know, you'll know. I'm certainly not going to jeopardize those relationships telling folks here anything those folks don't want you folks to know yet.

I've had some discussions with people.

OK, thanks.

I wasn't trying to be a wise guy. And I guess I wasn't expecting a lot of information.

I read the discussion within this thread concerning the nWCHA (which I want to turn out strong and stable) and I see good ideas being expressed. I simply hope that all of the chatter within this thread isn't being ignored and that those within the circles of the WCHA and the respective schools might actually take some of these ideas into consideration.

Obviously, I don't know any of you in any other way than the typed out expressions of your passion for college hockey. So, I'm glad to know that some of you, moose97 and Flashy Man, are aware of what's being kicked around in this thread and may possibly relate some of these ideas to those who are not aware of a forum like this.

 

[Jeff]

Re: The New WCHA 2, The Electric Boogaloo (2013-14)

As for television, I like whats happening in Bemidji. The local PBS station broadcasts all the home games and also offers them to other PBS stations in the state. They have good announcers and put out a quality product. Now if we could only get the PBS stations near the other colleges to do the same I could see more hockey and would be willing to support PBS.

 

[aparch]

As for television, I like whats happening in Bemidji. The local PBS station broadcasts all the home games and also offers them to other PBS stations in the state. They have good announcers and put out a quality product. Now if we could only get the PBS stations near the other colleges to do the same I could see more hockey and would be willing to support PBS.

I've been wanting NMU to get involved for a decade since they have a PBS station on campus, but budget issues have always been cited as the road block.


As for me, I don't really have an inside track with anyone forming the new WCHA, but I'd certainly be more than willing to help perform due diligence as seen in these threads.