The new Super League is going down the tubes.

[Tipsy McStagger]

Minuscule. When was the last time Notre Dame competed with everyone but Miami and WMU in anything other than hockey? Most schools in the HUG8 play games against Fort Hays State and Oglethorpe University in non-hockey sports.

The average alumnus of Notre Dame knows Boston College and Providence a lot more than North Dakota and Denver. It'd be great if college hockey was even a quarter as important as you folks from Colorado, Minnesota and North Dakota like to pretend it is.

Minuscule.

Clearly, we all forgot what juggernauts Providence, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Northeastern, Boston, Umass Lowell and Merrimack are.

You sure put us in our place.

 

[scoreboard]

Clearly, we all forgot what juggernauts Providence, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Northeastern, Boston, Umass Lowell and Merrimack are.

You sure put us in our place.

Um, if Notre Dame does indeed join Hockey East, they did.

 

[Priceless]

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Clearly, we all forgot what juggernauts Providence, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Northeastern, Boston, Umass Lowell and Merrimack are.

You sure put us in our place.

I didn't say they were juggernauts, but they are schools more on a par with Notre Dame than D-II schools out west. They already have their Olympic sports in the Big East and play these schools (ND plays Maine in bball this season). ND hoops isn't likely to schedule a game with St Cloud State. As far as Notre Dame is concerned, the schools in the HUG8 Mistake are Lilliputians.

If anyone from ND wants to dispute this, please do. I'd be very interested in hearing how Notre Dame is equal to D-II schools.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

I didn't say they were juggernauts, but they are schools more on a par with Notre Dame than D-II schools out west. They already have their Olympic sports in the Big East and play these schools (ND plays Maine in bball this season). ND hoops isn't likely to schedule a game with St Cloud State. As far as Notre Dame is concerned, the schools in the HUG8 Mistake are Lilliputians.

If anyone from ND wants to dispute this, please do. I'd be very interested in hearing how Notre Dame is equal to D-II schools.

Obviously, notre dame is a big school. The Hockey East schools are not, save Boston College.

 

[Priceless]

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Obviously, notre dame is a big school. The Hockey East schools are not, save Boston College.

The only leagues in hockey where Notre Dame would feel they were among equals is the B1G Mistake and MAYBE the Ivy League. Short of that, the schools Notre Dame is more on a par with are the schools in Hockey East. I'm sorry, but I doubt Notre Dame is interested in associating itself (and its valuable brand) with a bunch of D-II schools. It's the same reason Notre Dame would never consider joining the AHA (despite the presence of Army and Air Force) because they value their brand a hell of a lot more than AIC or Mercyhurst. Again, folks out west place all this emphasis on college hockey, but Notre Dame (and 99.9% of America) does not.

Again, I'm not saying schools in Hockey East are juggernauts, but they are certainly closer to Notre Dame's level than the HUG8 Mistake.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

The only leagues in hockey where Notre Dame would feel they were among equals is the B1G Mistake and MAYBE the Ivy League. Short of that, the schools Notre Dame is more on a par with are the schools in Hockey East. I'm sorry, but I doubt Notre Dame is interested in associating itself (and its valuable brand) with a bunch of D-II schools. It's the same reason Notre Dame would never consider joining the AHA (despite the presence of Army and Air Force) because they value their brand a hell of a lot more than AIC or Mercyhurst. Again, folks out west place all this emphasis on college hockey, but Notre Dame (and 99.9% of America) does not.

Again, I'm not saying schools in Hockey East are juggernauts, but they are certainly closer to Notre Dame's level than the HUG8 Mistake.

The emphasis is on college hockey BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY SPORT IN WHICH NOTRE DAME IS SWITCHING CONFERENCES.

In the same sentence you say Notre Dame is in the Big East in their olympic sports, you talk about how the NCHC schools are D-II schools. No one cares about college hockey. Do you actually think Notre Dame is worried about some shlub seeing their hockey team playing Denver and thinking "hey, why are they playing that rinky-dink school when they should be playing Merrimack?" That is just preposterous.

 

[Priceless]

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Do you actually think Notre Dame is worried about some shlub seeing their hockey team playing Denver and thinking "hey, why are they playing that rinky-dink school when they should be playing Merrimack?"

Yep. We're talking about Notre Dame. They have an enormous sense of entitlement.

And you might want to choose someone other than Merrihack...they're a Catholic school just like...um...who was that again? Oh right, Notre Dame.

 

[manurespreader]

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Obviously, notre dame is a big school. The Hockey East schools are not, save Boston College.

You know tipsy you ought to just drop it, it' real obvious you are out of your element having never been east of the mississippi it appears.

 

[huskyfan]

Yep. We're talking about Notre Dame. They have an enormous sense of entitlement.

And you might want to choose someone other than Merrihack...they're a Catholic school just like...um...who was that again? Oh right, Notre Dame.

This

 

[JOHN SCOTT ROCKS]

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If ND is indeed going East, the only one really benefitting from the NCHC in my opinion is Miami. This doesn't look much different than the WCHA beside Miami; WMU can be given or taken along with the four WCHA schools that were left out. What's the benefits? Was this all worth it for gaining Miami; and losing the teams that jump start you out of a slump. You tell me.

 

[Handyman]

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The emphasis is on college hockey BECAUSE THAT IS THE ONLY SPORT IN WHICH NOTRE DAME IS SWITCHING CONFERENCES.

In the same sentence you say Notre Dame is in the Big East in their olympic sports, you talk about how the NCHC schools are D-II schools. No one cares about college hockey. Do you actually think Notre Dame is worried about some shlub seeing their hockey team playing Denver and thinking "hey, why are they playing that rinky-dink school when they should be playing Merrimack?" That is just preposterous.

Merrimack...no. Providence...probably. Boston College...YOU KNOW **** RIGHT!

The only thing preposterous is your faulty logic

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

If ND is indeed going East, the only one really benefitting from the NCHC in my opinion is Miami. This doesn't look much different than the WCHA beside Miami; WMU can be given or taken along with the four WCHA schools that were left out. What's the benefits? Was this all worth it for gaining Miami; and losing the teams that jump start you out of a slump. You tell me.

Time will tell.

 

[Almington]

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If you were Notre Dame would you rather be in a conference with BC and Providence or Miami and Western Michigan? Because those are the 4 schools that are going to have the most recognition among casual fans. ND doesn't have much, if any history with any of the other schools in anything in the last 30 years. North Dakota is a great hockey program, but it's going to create about the same interest as a UNH or Maine in most fans. A comparison of Denver with Boston University is a push. The rest of the schools? A giant pile of who the hell cares. SCSU, UMD, CC, UNO or UMass, UML, Vermont, Merrimack, and Northeastern. Meh.

By sitting on their hands while other teams acted, ND was left with a set of relatively unattractive options, of which joining Hockey East was the LEAST unattractive.

 

[Tipsy McStagger]

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Yep. We're talking about Notre Dame. They have an enormous sense of entitlement.

And you might want to choose someone other than Merrihack...they're a Catholic school just like...um...who was that again? Oh right, Notre Dame.

You are invalidating your own point. You said:

"Again, folks out west place all this emphasis on college hockey, but Notre Dame (and 99.9% of America) does not."

So explain to me why, as you assert, they based their decision of what college hockey conference they were going to join on the opinions of alumnus that don't care about college hockey in the first place.

"When was the last time Notre Dame competed with everyone but Miami and WMU in anything other than hockey? Most schools in the HUG8 play games against Fort Hays State and Oglethorpe University in non-hockey sports."

The Hockey East schools don't play anybody significant in the revenue generating sports either. I am struggling to recall the big football games Notre Dame played against Northeastern and Vermont. Or the nationally televised basketball games between Notre Dame and Maine or New Hampshire.

 

[Priceless]

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You are invalidating your own point. You said:

"Again, folks out west place all this emphasis on college hockey, but Notre Dame (and 99.9% of America) does not."

So explain to me why, as you assert, they based their decision of what college hockey conference they were going to join on the opinions of alumnus that don't care about college hockey in the first place.

Because those alumni give a ton of money to the school to see them play/associate with other Division I schools. Aside from hockey, the schools in the HUG8 Mistake don't really play Division I sports, do they?

"When was the last time Notre Dame competed with everyone but Miami and WMU in anything other than hockey? Most schools in the HUG8 play games against Fort Hays State and Oglethorpe University in non-hockey sports."

The Hockey East schools don't play anybody significant in the revenue generating sports either. I am struggling to recall the big football games Notre Dame played against Northeastern and Vermont. Or the nationally televised basketball games between Notre Dame and Maine or New Hampshire.

Let's look at the Athletic aspects of each school.

HUG8 Mistake
Denver - Division I - (Sun Belt moving to WAC)
Miami - Division I (MAC)
North Dakota - Began transition to D-I in 2008, (Great Western Conference moving to Big Sky)
Western Michigan - Division I (MAC)
Minnesota-Duluth - Division II
Nebraska-Omaha - Division II
St Cloud State - Division II
Colorado College - Division III

Hockey East
Boston College - Division I (ACC)
Boston University - Division I (America East)
Maine - Division I (America East)
Massachusetts - Division I (Atlantic 10, moving to MAC for football in 2012)
New Hampshire - Division I (America East)
Northeastern - Division I (America East)
Vermont - Division I (America East)
Providence - Division I (Big East - with Notre Dame)
Mass-Lowell - Division II
Merrimack - Division II

Which association most resembles Notre Dame? Don't approach this question as a fan of CC, just look at the profiles of each school and tell me honestly which one most resembles Notre Dame...the conference with 50% D-I athletics or the one with 80% D-I? Which schools would you rather go to your alumni and tell them you were joining in a conference: a bunch of D-II schools with which you share absolutely zero athletic history (and never will) or other Division I programs with which you already share a history (BU, Maine), a conference affiliation (Providence) and a rivalry (Boston College)?

 

[MUhawks628]

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other Division I programs with which you already share a history (BU, Maine), a conference affiliation (Providence) and a rivalry (Boston College)?

Not trolling this thread (for once), I'm actually curious what history ND shares with BU and Maine, playing Maine in a preseason bball tourney last year doesn't count.

It's all a moot point as far as I'm concerned. You are making the assumption that the average Notre Dame fan (since that is who we are talking about here, not the diehard) cares if a team is D1 in America East or DIIIIII in whatever random conference. They haven't heard of, nor do they care about either one.

This is what average fans see:

NCHC
Miami - Division I (MAC)
Western Michigan - Division I (MAC)

Hockey East
Boston College - Division I (ACC)
Providence - Division I (Big East - with Notre Dame)

Maybe, UMass, but since we are talking about a football school here I'm tilting towards no.

Edge: Hockey East, and it's not even close, but it has nothing to do with BU, Maine, Vermont or UNH having an irrelevent D1 basketball team.

Just my hunch, but rich donors giving money specifically to the hockey program are going to be avid hockey fans. Some random old cogger giving general money to the university cares about 1 thing. Football, whatever happens to the hockey team could not possibly be less relevent.

 

[Split-N]

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Clearly, we all forgot what juggernauts Providence, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Northeastern, Boston, Umass Lowell and Merrimack are.

Ummm....."Boston" is a city. If you were referring to one of the HEA member institutions, were you referring to Boston University or Boston College? (UMass-Boston doesn't count.) You can't pretend to be hockey-savvy and just say "Boston."

 

[huskyfan]

Freddy Meyer will hack the league.

Winner

 

[cetihcra]

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You can't pretend to be hockey-savvy and just say "Boston."

Sure you can, Barry Melrose does it every spring.

 

[goldy_331]

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Ummm....."Boston" is a city. If you were referring to one of the HEA member institutions, were you referring to Boston University or Boston College? (UMass-Boston doesn't count.) You can't pretend to be hockey-savvy and just say "Boston."

I don't think any of us will mistake Tipsy for someone who is hockey savy.