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The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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It's the assholish way you've handle this that ****es off alot of us...just sayin
Perhaps I have been an a$5hole. I hope this video will help mend the fences....

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For me it's not so much being bitter. It's more of the fact that we were lied to, fed more lies, and then just told to accept it. I don't mind that schools are doing what's best for them. It sucks for the rest of us, but that's apparently the culture we live in. What I do mind is vaguely throwing out things like "we have concerns about the leadership" and then using it for a reason to leave. That to me is a cop out. If you want to essentially start rumors about someone, then prove your case. Don't sit and be as ambiguous as possible so that you can rationalize it to everyone, and then just tell me to accept it. That's gutless. If you want to be the big boy of the group, then act like the big boy of the group. If UND and DU want to throw their weight around and act like they hold some sway, then they need to accept the consequences of those actions. Part of the consequences of those actions are not only to answer questions from your own school, but also those questions of everyone that you affect. That is why I don't just drop it and move forward. My program was hurt by this and I don't really think it's too ridiculous to ask the questions as to why. If we just allow the administrators to take actions without asking why, we're doomed. It's irresponsible, selfish and unreasonable for those that don't want to answer those questions. It just shows me how little foresight was put into this move and how far over their heads they actually were (as was the stupid press release they put out yesterday).
I'm certainly not charged with the responsibility of responding on behalf of DU, UND or any of the other schools that made the jump. But here are my observations.

It's essentially a "no-fault" divorce. One side wants the divorce, the other doesn't. Right or wrong, it's going to happen. The party who was left can demand all the answers they want, but there is no obligation to provide them.

When UND, DU and the others left, I'm sure they expected questions; from the fans, the media and the other teams. I'm also sure they didn't want to burn any more bridges than they had to. It's not like they came out in the press conference and said we're leaving because the other programs suck, because we hate Bruce, and candidly we just got tired of going to Alaska.

Instead they threw out the bland bs of "like-minded" institutions, blah, blah, blah.

It's the same way in a divorce. You can do it the hard way or you can do it the easy way. You can tell friends and co-workers he was lazy, fat, stupid and terrible in bed, or you can say "we grew apart."

When the Big 10 teams announced their departure, I am sure there were lot's of disgruntled administrators at the "left behind" schools. Again, they could have attacked, demanded answers, accused the other of deception, etc..., or get ready to move on, find a new girlfriend and start a new life.

I'm unhappy Mankato won't be on our schedule anymore. I always enjoyed the trips there. But things change and demanding answers to those things that have already been determined seems to me to be a waste of time and effort.
 
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It's the same way in a divorce. You can do it the hard way or you can do it the easy way. You can tell friends and co-workers he was lazy, fat, stupid and terrible in bed, or you can say "we grew apart."

You know this too well. Were you the one who was lazy, fat, stupid and terrible in bed or was it your partner that you left? :p
 
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Mike McMahon has just posted this article in the Eagle Tribune.

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Notre Dame will join Hockey East beginning in the 2013 season, according to multiple sources. An announcement could come from the league as early as today and the Irish have scheduled an announcement for Wednesday.

Notre Dame was choosing between Hockey East and the newly formed National Collegiate Hockey Conference after the Big 10, which will sponsor hockey beginning in 2013, took teams from the CCHA (Notre Dame's former conference) leaving the Irish affiliated with smaller schools.

Earlier yesterday, the NCHC released a statement saying that it chose to move forward with eight teams.

"We are very confident with our decision and excited to move forward as a strong eight-team conference," said Brian Faison, North Dakota athletic director and the AD committee spokesman. "As we have stated many times, it is our goal to establish the National Collegiate Hockey Conference as the premier conference in men's hockey and there's no question in our minds that we are well positioned to do so with our membership."

Notre Dame's decision was based largely on television. Soon, each conference in the country will announce its own television deal with NBC Sports Network (what Versus will turn into in January) to air college hockey games nationally. Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract.

The NCHC, according to sources, was reluctant to go along with Notre Dame's television wishes.


Hockey East will also start the process of considering schools for a 12th program to the league. Candidates include RPI and UConn, but a decision has not been made.
 
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Notre Dame, NCHC & HE to all get separate Versus TV deals according to newspaper. NCHC didn't want Notre Dame to have their own deal, so Irish went shopping to HE.

Soon, each conference in the country will announce its own television deal with NBC Sports Network (what Versus will turn into in January) to air college hockey games nationally. Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract.

The NCHC, according to sources, was reluctant to go along with Notre Dame's television wishes.
 
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You know this too well. Were you the one who was lazy, fat, stupid and terrible in bed or was it your partner that you left? :p
It's a bullet I've managed to dodge thus far, even though I probably meet all of those requirements. :D
 
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

Mike McMahon has just posted this article in the Eagle Tribune.

Link to full article

Soon, each conference in the country will announce its own television deal with NBC Sports Network (what Versus will turn into in January) to air college hockey games nationally. Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract.

The NCHC, according to sources, was reluctant to go along with Notre Dame's television wishes.



Soon, each conference in the country will announce its own television deal with NBC Sports Network (what Versus will turn into in January) to air college hockey games nationally. Notre Dame has reached its own agreement with NBC Sports to air its games, separately from the conference contract.

The NCHC, according to sources, was reluctant to go along with Notre Dame's television wishes.

Maybe it's appropriate that SCSU was added to the NCHC, dg didn't properly site his sources...
 
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I'm certainly not charged with the responsibility of responding on behalf of DU, UND or any of the other schools that made the jump. But here are my observations.

It's essentially a "no-fault" divorce. One side wants the divorce, the other doesn't. Right or wrong, it's going to happen. The party who was left can demand all the answers they want, but there is no obligation to provide them.

When UND, DU and the others left, I'm sure they expected questions; from the fans, the media and the other teams. I'm also sure they didn't want to burn any more bridges than they had to. It's not like they came out in the press conference and said we're leaving because the other programs suck, because we hate Bruce, and candidly we just got tired of going to Alaska.

Instead they threw out the bland bs of "like-minded" institutions, blah, blah, blah.

It's the same way in a divorce. You can do it the hard way or you can do it the easy way. You can tell friends and co-workers he was lazy, fat, stupid and terrible in bed, or you can say "we grew apart."

When the Big 10 teams announced their departure, I am sure there were lot's of disgruntled administrators at the "left behind" schools. Again, they could have attacked, demanded answers, accused the other of deception, etc..., or get ready to move on, find a new girlfriend and start a new life.

I'm unhappy Mankato won't be on our schedule anymore. I always enjoyed the trips there. But things change and demanding answers to those things that have already been determined seems to me to be a waste of time and effort.

OK, I'll go along with this analogy, but for the record, I think it's a stretch at best to compare college sports to a real-life event like a divorce. Also, I should say that when I use the word "you" I'm using it in a very ambiguous way and not directing it at anyone specific.

Using what you laid out, sure, you can use the "no fault" reasoning, but that's just a legal term. That's not real life. It's not realistic to expect the other person to not ask any questions or not doubt the motives. It's unlikely that the person being left is going to say, that's not good enough and want the real answers. The divorcer is A)stupid if they think they won't get asked and B) not required to give a real reason. It's just common sense. And the more people are told to "just get over it and move on" the more angry they get. That's just human emotion. It's easy for the divorcer to act empathetic and forget about the past, but it's much harder for the one that's getting hurt to move on quickly. In fact it's more likely that when the person that leaves and continues to make embarrassing moves that you revel in their failures or perceived failures. It's much more likely that the questions are going to be asked for a long time. And, frankly, when you're making a "business decision" it should be expected to be questioned even more. With a divorce, it's theoretically an emotional decision and emotions are irrational. Business decisions are supposed to be rational and if this is a business decision, explain why. We're all adults here, we can handle it.

I think the have-nots get aggravated when there is a sense that we're getting patted on the head in this whole situation. Don't give us this like-minded institutions BS. That's not what it is. It's about money. Nothing more, nothing less. We understand that we're not the biggest draw at the gates. We understand that other teams' fans don't get as excited for us. We understand that you can probably make more money elsewhere. Just spare us the lying to our faces. Quit patronizing us as if we don't understand what you're doing. It's insulting. Going back to the divorce example, the more lies that are told, the more bitter the divorce. That's exactly what's going on. The haves are not telling us the truth, patronizing us and insulting the intelligence of everyone around them. Again, they're not required to do or say anything. If that's the case, fine. Shut up, leave town and quit with the BS. It's as simple as that.
 
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Let us know when you untangle your panties and are ready to move on.

Sorry, I forgot. If anyone doesn't stand in line, they have their undies in a bunch.

I'm sorry, sir. My bad, sir. I'll do what I'm told, sir. Good day, sir. Please tell me when I can speak again, sir.
 
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Maybe it's appropriate that SCSU was added to the NCHC, dg didn't properly site his sources...
I believe the correct term is "cite." :)

I said "according to newspaper" and since du78 had already provided link the post before, I felt I was saving valuable broadband.;)
 
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I will predict that, whatever deal Notre Dame has forged for itself, the HUG8 Mistake will be quick to tell us it's a terrible deal for Hockey East, and the teams in the HUG8 Mistake would never have gone for it and that's why the ND deal fell apart. They won't mention scheduling, non-conference games or the fact that Notre Dame looked at the teams that make up the HUG8 Mistake and said, "Why the hell are we going to align ourselves with a bunch of minuscule schools?" And we certainly won't hear any speculation from them that ND would rather join a conference that has three decades of stability versus a brand new league.
 
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I believe the correct term is "cite." :)

I said "according to newspaper" and since du78 had already provided link the post before, I felt I was saving valuable broadband.;)

Bandwidth.

And caring about bandwidth went out with 1200 baud modems.
 
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I will predict that, whatever deal Notre Dame has forged for itself, the HUG8 Mistake will be quick to tell us it's a terrible deal for Hockey East, and the teams in the HUG8 Mistake would never have gone for it and that's why the ND deal fell apart. They won't mention scheduling, non-conference games or the fact that Notre Dame looked at the teams that make up the HUG8 Mistake and said, "Why the hell are we going to align ourselves with a bunch of minuscule schools?" And we certainly won't hear any speculation from them that ND would rather join a conference that has three decades of stability versus a brand new league.
We don't have to tell you that because the media is doing it for the league.

Obviously getting Notre Dame is great for Hockey East. Is it going to be great for Notre Dame? Time will tell.
 
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We don't have to tell you that because the media is doing for the league.

The media isn't telling us any such thing. The details of the TV deal haven't even been made public yet.
 
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I believe the correct term is "cite." :)

That would be the correct term. My error.

I said "according to newspaper" and since du78 had already provided link the post before, I felt I was saving valuable broadband.;)

By including what the newspaper published without indicating that it was a direct quote, you indicated that those were your words and it is a very clear cut case of plagiarism. I'm sure that NOTHING like that has EVER happened on the internet before [/sarcasm]

As for saving bandwidth, you posted VERBATIM what was included in the previous post, clearly one of the two posts was completely superfluous.

Everyone knows that the real reason that Notre Dame didn't want to go to the NCHC is that they didn't want to have to pay the exit fee when the B1G cartel goons show up and threaten them with serious bodily injury if the don't join the almighty BIG.
 
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Everyone knows that the real reason that Notre Dame didn't want to go to the NCHC is that they didn't want to have to pay the exit fee when the B1G cartel goons show up and threaten them with serious bodily injury if the don't join the almighty BIG.
I'm starting to think Notre Dame doesn't like the B1G. :D
 
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Average Undergraduate Enrollment:

NCHC: 11,811
HEA: 11,539

Minuscule?

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Minuscule. When was the last time Notre Dame competed with everyone but Miami and WMU in anything other than hockey? Most schools in the HUG8 play games against Fort Hays State and Oglethorpe University in non-hockey sports.

The average alumnus of Notre Dame knows Boston College and Providence a lot more than North Dakota and Denver. It'd be great if college hockey was even a quarter as important as you folks from Colorado, Minnesota and North Dakota like to pretend it is.

Minuscule.
 
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Minuscule. When was the last time Notre Dame competed with everyone but Miami and WMU in anything other than hockey? Most schools in the HUG8 play games against Fort Hays State and Oglethorpe University in non-hockey sports.

The average alumnus of Notre Dame knows Boston College and Providence a lot more than North Dakota and Denver. It'd be great if college hockey was even a quarter as important as you folks from Colorado, Minnesota and North Dakota like to pretend it is.

Minuscule.

To be fair only people in Minnesota and North Dakota think college hockey is important. nobody in Colorado cares about college hockey except the few thousand CC and DU out there.:D
 
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