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The new Super League is going down the tubes.

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I'm sorry. I haven't been here for a while. Allow me to educate the folks that haven't heard me say this before:

When life confuses you, when up seems down, right seems left, and all is amiss, ... stop.
Breathe. Rise above the situation. Observe it objectively from the outside.
Then follow the Benjamins.
All will become clear.
 
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The issue here is money. The Big Ten Network is providing huge revenues to those schools. If the other schools that are powers want to remain powers they have to start creating new ways to produce revenues. They need to create a product that will be able to generate those revenues. That product is a conference with media potential.

The BTN has been providing $7-11 million in revenue to those schools for about 4 years now. If they wanted to bury the rest of us with gold, they could have done so at any time in the last 10 years, and there's nothing you could do to stop it. Maybe because you're a brand new D-1 athletic department school that plays in the only basketball conference not eligible for a NCAA tourney bid and Denver doesn't play football, you don't understand this.

Adding $500k a year from a Versus TV/online media contract doesn't make you their peers. They make that from one team advancing to the Sweet 16 in basketball. They pay WMU and other MAC schools that much or more alone to visit and take a 42-14 beating in football.
 
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The media potential (meaning revenues from media) is based on the spread of the potenial audience (media markets). You don't gain markets by keeping all of the Minnesota schools but they still get a split of the revenues.

In this scenario the "footprint" is the same size, but the split has just gone from say 10-12 ways to say 6-8 ways.

It's all about the Benjamins. Jim Delany can explain it to you. He started it.

The footprint isn't quite the same... it's a bit more like this:

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Everybody plays each other twice, once home, once away. Do the Fairbanks-Anchorage swing in one weekend. It's how the GNAC does it. Not ideal but it's really the only way.

Or (assuming WMU stays put), pick up UAH and form a 12-team league with three clusters, and keep UAF, UAA, and UAH each in their own cluster to help with travel. Similar to how the CCHA did things before Omaha bolted. Have two series with your cluster-mates, and one series with everybody else. Only downside for AK is it keeps the Governor's Cup at two games.
 
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The five schools that left are the exact same five schools that kept UAA and UAF from being able to maintain their natural rivalry. While all of those five twats have played their rivals 4 times a year UAA and UAF have been forced to use 1/3 of their non-conference schedules to maintain their 30 year rivalry. I won't miss any of them.

I won't miss their constant ****ing whining about being forced to go to on such a long road trip when my team does that exact trip 7 or 8 times a year. And yes ... every ****ing one of them whined about it more than once.

The Alaska teams have had their geography used against them since they both added hockey. They have both been revenue creators for their conferences by subsidizing travel and providing exempt home games at which (for example) UND could make between $250K and $500K. Those exempt games were worth more than the Final Five check to several of these 5 schools.

So the fact that they're ****ing that away in some vain attempt to rebrand themselves is pretty ****ed funny. I can't begin to predict whether these backstabbing tools will get Notre Dame aboard; but I sure can hope that doesn't work out. Nothing would be finer than to see this villany scum be relegated to their own conference of 6 teams for as long as that can possibly be that way.
 
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

The issue here is money. The Big Ten Network is providing huge revenues to those schools. If the other schools that are powers want to remain powers they have to start creating new ways to produce revenues. They need to create a product that will be able to generate those revenues. That product is a conference with media potential.

Wrong. Any increase in revenue for DU or UND is non-existant or so small it is insignificant.

The issue here is DU and UND being scared they won't be able to remain relevant on a national scale in a WCHA that doesn't include Wisconsin and Minnesota.
 
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bbdl wears his emotions on his sleeve. And with this development in the sport, I can't honestly say I disagree with him. And I'm on the "haves" side. UND could have been a savior, but follow the dollar. Trim some fat, start a new division, why not? DU is in the same boat, but I like hating on UND more. So, for the record, FDU.

And in the end, the B1G MISTAKE killed college hockey as we know it. UND/DU administered the injection.
 
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Wrong. Any increase in revenue for DU or UND is non-existant or so small it is insignificant.

The issue here is DU and UND being scared they won't be able to remain relevant on a national scale in a WCHA that doesn't include Wisconsin and Minnesota.

Wrong. They are shutting out the teams that have NO chance at revenue, as compared to the teams that have SOME shot at revenue. DU has an ok contract for TV. UND has a better one (all home games on TV). You think anyone will tune in to UND/MSU-M? Even I won't do that, unless there's nothing else on, and I've watched a Union game against a non-Gopher team!

It's a less crappier slice of the pie, but they are in charge, so it makes it "better."
 
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Most Gopher fans are in the same place that you and I are, so there's no real reason to lump us in with the Badger, Sioux, and Pioneer fans who are cheerleading all of this horse****. We didn't want this, we didn't ask for this, and we'll never truly accept it.

(Apologies to the seemingly select few Badger, Sioux, and Pioneer fans who AREN'T cheerleading all of this horse****.)

Man, the amount of cying and rude behavior is awful on this thread. You guys are worse than a wet baby.
 
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Man, the amount of cying and rude behavior is awful on this thread. You guys are worse than a wet baby.

Go smoke some pot in Boulder. You helped (but did not start the process; I will give you that) * over college hockey. And I'm a fan of team that is "benefitting" from all this.
 
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

The issue here is money. The Big Ten Network is providing huge revenues to those schools. If the other schools that are powers want to remain powers they have to start creating new ways to produce revenues. They need to create a product that will be able to generate those revenues. That product is a conference with media potential.

I think you're absolutely right Sic-a-toka.:) Sorry for the long read, but the following might help clarify the current situation a bit. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!:D

In my view, we're currently witnessing an unprecedented paradigm shift in the commercialization and professionalization of college sports in general particularly since the creation of the BTN media model.

For example, BTN profits have increased by nearly $50M/year since it's inception in 2007. Since then the BTN media footprint has grown from 42M subscribers to an estimated 75M viewers covering 35% of the United States and has more than doubled it's initial revenue to $230M. Consequently BTN revenue to member schools has consistently increased. The BTN delivered $8M to Big Ten schools in 2010, an increase of 20% from the previous year.

Revenues for Big Ten schools in the current long term BTN business plan are projected to rise at least 200% over the next several years. BTN CEO Mark Silverman is currently setting in motion plans to recruit 12M new subscribers a year or at least 60 million more subscribers over the next five years.

Notably, the announcement of the BTHC plays a key role in this futuristic financial blueprint. Currently, the BTN yields $.88/household in subscriber fees. If the BTN raises carriage rates by a negligible $.05/household, an additional 60M subscribers in the U.S. and Canada could conservatively generate an additional $55.8M, and that’s not even considering advertising revenue.

Ad revenue could generate as much as $83.7M for a substantive increase in BTN revenue of $139.5M. In addition to current income, the BTN could over the next five years realistically generate substantially more than a quarter of a billion dollars for the Big Ten conference. That would more than double revenue distribution to individual member schools to $16M or more per year. That my friend is a hell of a lot of Benjamins and very welcome news to Big Ten member schools in troubled economic times, and when the arms race of escalating athletic budgets is projected to literally spiral out of control in the next 10 years.

So when the Big Ten came calling to form the BTHC, those individuals (i.e. dggoddard :rolleyes:) that think McLeod had any leverage at all to talk MN and Wis into cutting ties with the Big Ten and staying in the WCHA are completely looney. MN and Wis had no choice but to bow before the cash cow and kiss some Big Ten a**.

NOW if the "Super League" (SL) is able to secure a media contract with Versus/Comcast/NBC, it could "potentially" yield substantial media income for the new league. In April this year, it was announced Versus would be changing its name within 90 days to a name including "NBC" to reflect the NBC/Comcast merger.

Without a doubt, SL leaders understand that there's a very interesting and strategic link to Notre Dame in all this. First of all, a specific media deal between Versus/NBC and the new SL to broadcast college hockey content would be unprecedented in college hockey and could potentially lead to big media deals in the future with other college hockey conferences (i.e. HE), thus help expand the fanbase of college hockey like never before.

How critical is the "Super League" and a media link to Notre Dame choosing to join the new conference
? Here's my assessment:

College football obviously floats the money boat in college athletics. Let's look at a little history. ND football has a media contract with NBC which began in 1991. The initial contract with NBC was $38 million for 5 years. Since Notre Dame is independent, they split the revenue 50/50 with each opponent. The deal revolutionized college athletics and brought millions into Notre Dame's bank account which they used in part to substantially reinvest in their scholarship programs. At the time it was a huge financial windfall that guaranteed the Fighting Irish would remain independent from other conferences.

In June 2010, NBC signed a contract extension, which covered 2011 to 2015 for a flat fee (not based upon ratings) of more than $9M/year (about $1.6M/football game!!).

However, since ND signed the agreement, television revenue in most conferences (i.e. Big Ten, Pac-12, SEC, ACC) has rapidly accelerated, while Notre Dame's media revenue has remained stable but with little growth potential. For example, the Big Ten Network alone has almost equaled and will eventually supersede the payout for Notre Dame's contract with NBC. ND is obviously looking for more TV revenue to subsidize it's existing media contract with NBC in addition to it's own network revenue projections.

A media deal between the SL and versus/NBC would obviously be a HUGE carrot on a stick for ND and it just might be enough to lure ND away from considering a move to HE and into a move to the SL instead. If ND is going to come into the new SL, this would most likely close the deal for them.

An SL contract with Versus/NBC to broadcast their college hockey content would most certainly provide added value for ND's existing contractual agreement with NBC.

If so, it would pose as no conflict with the launch of the ND Network since a contractual agreement with NBC has already been reached to broadcast content in much the same way as the Texas Longhorn Network leveraged their continued commitment to the Big 12 by securing unprecedented approval from ESPN and the Big 12 (who hold exclusive broadcasting rights with ESPN/ABC and Fox for all members) to broadcast their own network athletic content on ESPN. That was the linchpin that kept Texas in the Big 12 with a cool $15M a season in their pocket, along with Big 12 revenue to boot for a whopping total of 30M+ per year!! Shaaaa.....

As I stated in the other "whiny" thread, the SL really needs a big media deal to jump onto the cash cow media bandwagon in college sports. This is indeed the missing piece of the puzzle for the new SL. Without it, my guess is they will left shuffling regional media cable providers with Fox Sports Network with substantially lower media revenue for the new conference which they perhaps could have hammered out anyway by staying in the WCHA.

However, if the SL does land a Versus/NBC contract, it's doubtful whether NBC will want to plunge headlong into a niche market like college hockey and even come close to equaling BTN's cash dispersion to member schools. They will most likely tread cautiously. But if Notre Dame decides to buy into the new SL because of additional media revenue benefits, that changes things significantly and the financial benefits for the new SL could indeed be more substantial.
 
Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

I think you're absolutely right Sic-a-toka.:) Sorry for the long read, but the following might help clarify the current situation a bit. READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!:D

In my view, we're currently witnessing an unprecedented paradigm shift in the commercialization and professionalization of college sports in general particularly since the creation of the BTN media model.

For example, BTN profits have increased by nearly $50M/year since it's inception in 2007. Since then the BTN media footprint has grown from 42M subscribers to an estimated 75M viewers covering 35% of the United States and has more than doubled it's initial revenue to $230M. Consequently BTN revenue to member schools has consistently increased. The BTN delivered $8M to Big Ten schools in 2010, an increase of 20% from the previous year.

Revenues for Big Ten schools in the current long term BTN business plan are projected to rise at least 200% over the next several years. BTN CEO Mark Silverman is currently setting in motion plans to recruit 12M new subscribers a year or at least 60 million more subscribers over the next five years.

Notably, the announcement of the BTHC plays a key role in this futuristic financial blueprint. Currently, the BTN yields $.88/household in subscriber fees. If the BTN raises carriage rates by a negligible $.05/household, an additional 60M subscribers in the U.S. and Canada could conservatively generate an additional $55.8M, and that’s not even considering advertising revenue.

Ad revenue could generate as much as $83.7M for a substantive increase in BTN revenue of $139.5M. In addition to current income, the BTN could over the next five years realistically generate substantially more than a quarter of a billion dollars for the Big Ten conference. That would more than double revenue distribution to individual member schools to $16M or more per year. That my friend is a hell of a lot of Benjamins and very welcome news to Big Ten member schools in troubled economic times, and when the arms race of escalating athletic budgets is projected to literally spiral out of control in the next 10 years.

So when the Big Ten came calling to form the BTHC, those individuals (i.e. dggoddard :rolleyes:) that think McLeod had any leverage at all to talk MN and Wis into cutting ties with the Big Ten and staying in the WCHA are completely looney. MN and Wis had no choice but to bow before the cash cow and kiss some Big Ten a**.

NOW if the "Super League" (SL) is able to secure a media contract with Versus/Comcast/NBC, it could "potentially" yield substantial media income for the new league. In April this year, it was announced Versus would be changing its name within 90 days to a name including "NBC" to reflect the NBC/Comcast merger.

Without a doubt, SL leaders understand that there's a very interesting and strategic link to Notre Dame in all this. First of all, a specific media deal between Versus/NBC and the new SL to broadcast college hockey content would be unprecedented in college hockey and could potentially lead to big media deals in the future with other college hockey conferences (i.e. HE), thus help expand the fanbase of college hockey like never before.

How critical is the "Super League" and a media link to Notre Dame choosing to join the new conference
? Here's my assessment:

College football obviously floats the money boat in college athletics. Let's look at a little history. ND football has a media contract with NBC which began in 1991. The initial contract with NBC was $38 million for 5 years. Since Notre Dame is independent, they split the revenue 50/50 with each opponent. The deal revolutionized college athletics and brought millions into Notre Dame's bank account which they used in part to substantially reinvest in their scholarship programs. At the time it was a huge financial windfall that guaranteed the Fighting Irish would remain independent from other conferences.

In June 2010, NBC signed a contract extension, which covered 2011 to 2015 for a flat fee (not based upon ratings) of more than $9M/year (about $1.6M/football game!!).

However, since ND signed the agreement, television revenue in most conferences (i.e. Big Ten, Pac-12, SEC, ACC) has rapidly accelerated, while Notre Dame's media revenue has remained stable but with little growth potential. For example, the Big Ten Network alone has almost equaled and will eventually supersede the payout for Notre Dame's contract with NBC. ND is obviously looking for more TV revenue to subsidize it's existing media contract with NBC in addition to it's own network revenue projections.

A media deal between the SL and versus/NBC would obviously be a HUGE carrot on a stick for ND and it just might be enough to lure ND away from considering a move to HE and into a move to the SL instead. If ND is going to come into the new SL, this would most likely close the deal for them.

An SL contract with Versus/NBC to broadcast their college hockey content would most certainly provide added value for ND's existing contractual agreement with NBC.

If so, it would pose as no conflict with the launch of the ND Network since a contractual agreement with NBC has already been reached to broadcast content in much the same way as the Texas Longhorn Network leveraged their continued commitment to the Big 12 by securing unprecedented approval from ESPN and the Big 12 (who hold exclusive broadcasting rights with ESPN/ABC and Fox for all members) to broadcast their own network athletic content on ESPN. That was the linchpin that kept Texas in the Big 12 with a cool $15M a season in their pocket, along with Big 12 revenue to boot for a whopping total of 30M+ per year!! Shaaaa.....

As I stated in the other "whiny" thread, the SL really needs a big media deal to jump onto the cash cow media bandwagon in college sports. This is indeed the missing piece of the puzzle for the new SL. Without it, my guess is they will left shuffling regional media cable providers with Fox Sports Network with substantially lower media revenue for the new conference which they perhaps could have hammered out anyway by staying in the WCHA.

However, if the SL does land a Versus/NBC contract, it's doubtful whether NBC will want to plunge headlong into a niche market like college hockey and even come close to equaling BTN's cash dispersion to member schools. They will most likely tread cautiously. But if Notre Dame decides to buy into the new SL because of additional media revenue benefits, that changes things significantly and the financial benefits for the new SL could indeed be more substantial.

This would be one of the best posts EvAh if you'd only had the balls to use BHHC instead of "SL". I'm sorry ... I just feel that way. I loved the part about dggoddard and "looney" btw ....
 
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This would be one of the best posts EvAh if you'd only had the balls to use BHHC instead of "SL". I'm sorry ... I just feel that way. I loved the part about dggoddard and "looney" btw ....

BHHC! BHHC! BHHC! Yeah, I get it...I just started writing and went with SL. But that doesn't mean I don't think this whole thing sucks especially for teams like yours. I'm a stone cold Gopher guy, but the WCHA is MY conference. So for me every WCHA team is a bit more special than every other in college hockey. Kind of like a family...dysfunctional, but nevertheless a family.

The WCHA is undoubtedly one of (if not THE) greatest hockey conferences in the history of NCAA college hockey. Reflecting on the championship games and teams, the great players and coaches in WCHA history now in the eerie shadow of BHHC definitely made me steaming mad. Though at some point I have to deal with the disappointment, adjust and move on...
 
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So for me every WCHA team, especially Wisconsin, is a bit more special than every other in college hockey.

Thanks brah!

At least we get to stick together! :)





In seriousness, I agree with all of your sentiments...
 
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A week ago Harley was saying...

I'd be very surprised to see UND leave the WCHA. This comes across to me as pathetic revenue driven political posturing to leverage pressure on McLeod to add two new teams to the WCHA...that's all. And I think that's exactly what will happen in the next couple years

Now suddenly he's an expert on college sports television rights.

North Dakota hockey isn't just the flagship sport for the university; its the flagship sport for the entire state. Millions of dollars in merchandise sales dwarf any TV contract they could ever hope to sign. They moved to the Super League because their "brand" was diluted in the WCHA.

While Denver doesn't have UND's fanbase, they do have 62 year college hockey history that embodies the school's identity. DU's $25 million athletic budget runs a deficit and when season ticket holders would eat tickets rather than show up to watch the Leftovers you knew something had to happen.

Fact of the matter is that UND and DU both run very profitable hockey programs. The golden goose had to be protected at each school.
 
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Rust never rests. Either does greed. Teams which accept and enable a 40% turnover rate can hardly be expected to display any respect for membership in their current league, or in their next league either.
 
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A week ago Harley was saying...



Now suddenly he's an expert on college sports television rights.

North Dakota hockey isn't just the flagship sport for the university; its the flagship sport for the entire state. Millions of dollars in merchandise sales dwarf any TV contract they could ever hope to sign. They moved to the Super League because their "brand" was diluted in the WCHA.

While Denver doesn't have UND's fanbase, they do have 62 year college hockey history that embodies the school's identity. DU's $25 million athletic budget runs a deficit and when season ticket holders would eat tickets rather than show up to watch the Leftovers you knew something had to happen.

Fact of the matter is that UND and DU both run very profitable hockey programs. The golden goose had to be protected at each school.
Protecting the golden goose?, please... it's just an excuse to do something you have wanted to do for other reasons.

without calling names or getting into details, those facts are not facts. They are rampant speculation.

This whole thing, like I said before is not well thought out, and you deserve what you will get. Since you so called experts are determined to leave, well have a good time. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
 
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Michigan
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State

UND
DU
Miami
UMD
CC
UNO

These two leagues do not compare. The regular season records will now be worse.
Under .500 leaves you out of the Big Dance at the end of the year.
I hope they end up only playing each other non-conference.
Why would the remaining Minnesota teams give them the time of day....
Lousy thing to do to your state rivals.

I see Ohio State, Penn State, and possibly Michigan State, UNO, and CC becoming irrelevant in the new conference with consistently bad W-L records....
 
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