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The Most Serious [x] Problem We Face Today
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Slap Shot
I got nothing
Don't want your autobiography.
Then stop being a perpetual ***** and state your view on something...running around like a ninny taking weak "shots" doesn't even earn you the title of troll...just nuisance.
Any dip **** can say "I disagree", grow a pair and contribute if you can.
Re: The Most Serious [x] Problem We Face Today
I've seen both research-based and also anecdotal reports that many (mostly female) teachers just don't know what to do with young boys' exuberant energy (the over-diagnoses of ADHD comes to mind here: boys get bored sitting still too long and suddenly that becomes a medical problem requiring the use of powerful prescription medication before adolescence??? really???)
The boys in our elementary school were disproportionately disciplined for being boys. This wasn't being "neglected" nor being "picked on" it was more a case of young teachers not knowing how to manage students (the older, experienced teachers knew that boys were energetic and factored that knowledge into their approach). One thing that is very striking to me is that in a Montessori setting, the differential problems of "discipline" between boys and girls disappears.
Just about every parent of a boy that we knew (including us) received a call at one time or another about a boy jumping from one landing to another instead of taking each step one by one, or some other restrictive situation, where a momentary burst of energy exceeded the straightjacket that the teachers wanted the boys constantly to wear. It's not enough merely to say "please don't do that again" that you have to involve the parents too?
I've seen both research-based and also anecdotal reports that many (mostly female) teachers just don't know what to do with young boys' exuberant energy (the over-diagnoses of ADHD comes to mind here: boys get bored sitting still too long and suddenly that becomes a medical problem requiring the use of powerful prescription medication before adolescence??? really???)
The boys in our elementary school were disproportionately disciplined for being boys. This wasn't being "neglected" nor being "picked on" it was more a case of young teachers not knowing how to manage students (the older, experienced teachers knew that boys were energetic and factored that knowledge into their approach). One thing that is very striking to me is that in a Montessori setting, the differential problems of "discipline" between boys and girls disappears.
Just about every parent of a boy that we knew (including us) received a call at one time or another about a boy jumping from one landing to another instead of taking each step one by one, or some other restrictive situation, where a momentary burst of energy exceeded the straightjacket that the teachers wanted the boys constantly to wear. It's not enough merely to say "please don't do that again" that you have to involve the parents too?
Doesn't all of this suppose that the female teachers don't have male offspring of their own? Presumably a female teacher who raised a son would be able to recognize the behavior, correct? Not to mention those close to their nephews for example, or grandkids if they're older teachers.
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I say: set a gender-neutral standard for behavior, and if the boys cross the line more often than the girls, well, let the punishment chips fall where they may. The farther (or more frequently) a kid is over the line, the more discipline he/she *needs* to alter his/her trajectory. Why all the hand wringing over equal outcomes?
Yes - the idea that a 50-year-old male teacher would understand a 7-year-old boy's behavior better than a 50-year-old female teacher just because he was a 7-year-old boy 43 years ago is absurd. Let's face it - the female teacher is going to understand *both* genders better!
I say: set a gender-neutral standard for behavior, and if the boys cross the line more often than the girls, well, let the punishment chips fall where they may. The farther (or more frequently) a kid is over the line, the more discipline he/she *needs* to alter his/her trajectory. Why all the hand wringing over equal outcomes?
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Then he gets hurt and when the parents discover that their child has misbehaved before wonder why they weren't notified and sue the school for neglect.
Then he gets hurt and when the parents discover that their child has misbehaved before wonder why they weren't notified and sue the school for neglect.
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I'd say that the over-diagnosis of ADHD, making what had been normal acceptable behavior for decades and turning it into a medical "problem" with concomitant medication, is a lot more serious than "punishment" for "crossing the line," wouldn't you? Powerful medicine is a lot more than "discipline," no? Suddenly young boys are afflicted with an epidemic of ADHD yet young girls are immune??
I'd say that the over-diagnosis of ADHD, making what had been normal acceptable behavior for decades and turning it into a medical "problem" with concomitant medication, is a lot more serious than "punishment" for "crossing the line," wouldn't you? Powerful medicine is a lot more than "discipline," no? Suddenly young boys are afflicted with an epidemic of ADHD yet young girls are immune??
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I just don't think it has anything to do with the gender of the kids or the teachers.
What can I say? Teachers are as lazy and stupid as the general population is these days. If their job seems too hard, it can't be their fault - their students just *must* have a medical condition, since with their amazing and perfect teaching skills, every kid should be voted class angel.
I just don't think it has anything to do with the gender of the kids or the teachers.
I brought up the consumer perspective for this reason, apparently wives don't have a lofty opinion of husbands and that may carry over to males in general to a degree.
Additionally, this is a job, and other people's kids making your job harder may overshadow an individual's feelings about their own kids.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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Do you have a source on the ADHD diagnosis rate between boys and girls?
As medical science advances, it's natural that doctors and researchers find new conditions, change their opinions, etc. In my grandparents' generation, tobacco use was "good for the nerves". We now know that smoking slowly kills people (not that this has stopped me from sampling the occasional cigar). Back in the day, society sent every developmentally disabled adult to the nuthouse, subjected them to lobotomies, EST and abuse, and doped them up on Thorazine. We now distinguish between the criminally insane and those who are capable of residing in a monitored residential setting (group homes) and living as normal a life as possible.
Is ADHD over-diagnosed in general? With all the quacks out there in the psychiatric community looking to make a buck, it probably is. Ultimately though, it's parents who make the medical decisions for their children (or at least they should be, if they're being responsible parents).
Do you have a source on the ADHD diagnosis rate between boys and girls?
As medical science advances, it's natural that doctors and researchers find new conditions, change their opinions, etc. In my grandparents' generation, tobacco use was "good for the nerves". We now know that smoking slowly kills people (not that this has stopped me from sampling the occasional cigar). Back in the day, society sent every developmentally disabled adult to the nuthouse, subjected them to lobotomies, EST and abuse, and doped them up on Thorazine. We now distinguish between the criminally insane and those who are capable of residing in a monitored residential setting (group homes) and living as normal a life as possible.
Is ADHD over-diagnosed in general? With all the quacks out there in the psychiatric community looking to make a buck, it probably is. Ultimately though, it's parents who make the medical decisions for their children (or at least they should be, if they're being responsible parents).
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I'll weigh in a little bit here. Not saying that everyone is in touch with what they once were, but I now have a 14 year old (I'm 43) and I believe that I'm very well equipped to understand his side of things because I remember exactly what it was like.
Teenage girls? I had no idea how to deal with them when I was a teenager and I still don't. Weird creatures for sure.
Boys? I get them coz that's all still in me.
I've had some interesting conversations with school officials over the years. I'm like, "Yeah, he's a boy and that doesn't seem like the end of the world, now does it?"
Yes - the idea that a 50-year-old male teacher would understand a 7-year-old boy's behavior better than a 50-year-old female teacher just because he was a 7-year-old boy 43 years ago is absurd. Let's face it - the female teacher is going to understand *both* genders better!
I'll weigh in a little bit here. Not saying that everyone is in touch with what they once were, but I now have a 14 year old (I'm 43) and I believe that I'm very well equipped to understand his side of things because I remember exactly what it was like.
Teenage girls? I had no idea how to deal with them when I was a teenager and I still don't. Weird creatures for sure.
Boys? I get them coz that's all still in me.
I've had some interesting conversations with school officials over the years. I'm like, "Yeah, he's a boy and that doesn't seem like the end of the world, now does it?"
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Gurtholfin
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From the article...
At some schools, tug of war has been replaced with “tug of peace.”
W t f? Seriously. Do these people ever get outside of the their echo chamber?
The pussification of our boys.
What do I remember from all my years of gym? What was the most fun?
Dodgeball. And I was one of the runts. Was still a blast. It was a badge to get one of the jocks out.
As far as zero tolerance goes, does anyone outside of chicke**** school officials think that it makes any sense? I grew up playing and imagining adventures and they always involved play violence. It's unbelievable to hear of a kid getting suspended for a Pop-tart gun. Dumb.
From the article...
At some schools, tug of war has been replaced with “tug of peace.”
W t f? Seriously. Do these people ever get outside of the their echo chamber?
The pussification of our boys.
What do I remember from all my years of gym? What was the most fun?
Dodgeball. And I was one of the runts. Was still a blast. It was a badge to get one of the jocks out.
As far as zero tolerance goes, does anyone outside of chicke**** school officials think that it makes any sense? I grew up playing and imagining adventures and they always involved play violence. It's unbelievable to hear of a kid getting suspended for a Pop-tart gun. Dumb.
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Do a search on "ADHD diagnosis by gender" and you'll find more sources than you'll care to explore.
This subject is highly controversial today, as the number of diagnoses of ADHD among boys has exploded in the past few years.
It's part of a much more serious issue, actually, in that no one is ever supposed to suffer any discomfort these days. It used to be, if someone close to you died, you'd be allowed a respectable period of mourning. now, after a week or two passes, it's "what's wrong with you? should we prescribe an anti-depressant?" (okay, maybe I exaggerate slightly...but still).
Pain and suffering used to be accepted as an inevitable part of life. Not any more. they have a pill for that these days.
Do a search on "ADHD diagnosis by gender" and you'll find more sources than you'll care to explore.
This subject is highly controversial today, as the number of diagnoses of ADHD among boys has exploded in the past few years.
It's part of a much more serious issue, actually, in that no one is ever supposed to suffer any discomfort these days. It used to be, if someone close to you died, you'd be allowed a respectable period of mourning. now, after a week or two passes, it's "what's wrong with you? should we prescribe an anti-depressant?" (okay, maybe I exaggerate slightly...but still).
Pain and suffering used to be accepted as an inevitable part of life. Not any more. they have a pill for that these days.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: The Most Serious [x] Problem We Face Today
I don't know about the gender issue but a lot of the issues in school begin at home. Its really as simple as that
Committed parent(s) make up for a lot of other issues. If there is a current gender bias then it may impact well behaved kids too, even if less so.
Other day I heard radio hosts talking about how hard it is to not give kid their phone while at restaurant so kid is occupied and they can eat. Since they didn't have smart phones for the first few million years, I'm guessing there are other ways to have kids behave during restaurant visits.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
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Unfortunately, they're still working on a pill that cures East Coast Arrogance Syndrome. I suspect you wouldn't take it away.
If they have a pill that cures whining I suggest you take a bottle full!
Unfortunately, they're still working on a pill that cures East Coast Arrogance Syndrome. I suspect you wouldn't take it away.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
My first comment did offer something, you didn't like it and then stomped your feet. So with all due respect...