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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
I thought the same thing. They have extremely similar records, with Mankato holding a slight edge. Mankato has the extra NCAA Appearance and the conference tournament title. So why is Omaha ahead (even though it's just 4 tenths of a point)?
Two main reasons:
1) Individual Accomplishments
- Omaha has 7 All-Americans and 4 Hobey Baker Finalists (no winners)
- Mankato has 3 All-Americans and only 1 Hobey Baker Finalist (no winner)
2) Omaha has a slightly higher strength of victory component.
Again, it's extremely close (0.4 points), but, at least according to my formula, Omaha just slightly edges Mankato.
I thought the same thing. They have extremely similar records, with Mankato holding a slight edge. Mankato has the extra NCAA Appearance and the conference tournament title. So why is Omaha ahead (even though it's just 4 tenths of a point)?
Two main reasons:
1) Individual Accomplishments
- Omaha has 7 All-Americans and 4 Hobey Baker Finalists (no winners)
- Mankato has 3 All-Americans and only 1 Hobey Baker Finalist (no winner)
2) Omaha has a slightly higher strength of victory component.
Again, it's extremely close (0.4 points), but, at least according to my formula, Omaha just slightly edges Mankato.
purpleinnebraska
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
We'll settle this October 10 and 11!!!
We'll settle this October 10 and 11!!!
Slap Shot
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
Makes sense.
You still need to fix though having 4 UND teams remaining in your tournament that are all rated higher than every UM team.
Makes sense.
You still need to fix though having 4 UND teams remaining in your tournament that are all rated higher than every UM team.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
FWIW, Minnesota's top team (1980-1981 squad featuring the Broten brothers, amongst others) is rated #18. Only two North Dakota squads (1986-1987 (#4) and 2003-2004 (#17)) rated higher. As for the tournament, I don't really control how those games come out (other than what the simulator draws from my formula). I'd be glad to continue this discussion in that thread if you'd like though. I'd prefer to keep this thread dedicated to the program's overall, not just one specific season.
Also, I'm sure you would be happy to know that Minnesota has the highest strength of victory component out of anyone in college hockey history. It really isn't all that close.
Makes sense.
You still need to fix though having 4 UND teams remaining in your tournament that are all rated higher than every UM team.
FWIW, Minnesota's top team (1980-1981 squad featuring the Broten brothers, amongst others) is rated #18. Only two North Dakota squads (1986-1987 (#4) and 2003-2004 (#17)) rated higher. As for the tournament, I don't really control how those games come out (other than what the simulator draws from my formula). I'd be glad to continue this discussion in that thread if you'd like though. I'd prefer to keep this thread dedicated to the program's overall, not just one specific season.
Also, I'm sure you would be happy to know that Minnesota has the highest strength of victory component out of anyone in college hockey history. It really isn't all that close.
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
Sure, you say that now. Wait til the last cut, then we'll see how you feel.
btw Slap, do I have to put you on ignore to avoid seeing that dam 0.6 all the time?
Sure, you say that now. Wait til the last cut, then we'll see how you feel.
btw Slap, do I have to put you on ignore to avoid seeing that dam 0.6 all the time?
Slap Shot
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Ha. I will get rid of it soon - I don't usually hang onto signatures very long.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
#44 - Holy Cross Crusaders
All-Time Record (Division 1): 700-672-81 (.510)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 2 (2004, 2006)
NCAA Tournament Record: 1-2
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 2 (Atlantic Hockey - 2003-2004, 2005-2006) Tournament - 3 (MAAC - 1999, Atlantic Hockey - 2004, 2006)
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 5.0707
Change: 0.2743 (+5.72%)
Last Season Position: 44 (unchanged)
The Holy Cross Crusaders come in at #44. The Crusaders had a rough season in 2013-2014, losing 22 games, the most since joining Atlantic Hockey. However, this poor season came on the heels of three consecutive seasons of over .500 play from 2010-2013. There is hope for next season though. While the Crusaders will lose two of their top three scorers, they return goalie Matt Ginn and 12 of their top 14 scorers. In order for Holy Cross to continue their climb in the rankings (or at least maintain their position), they will need to win more conference hardware, and make more trips to the NCAA Tournament. Once there, Paul Pearl has proven effective in getting the most out of his team. But, they haven't been to the biggest stage since 2006. As a result, the Crusaders remain at #44.
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
#44 - Holy Cross Crusaders
All-Time Record (Division 1): 700-672-81 (.510)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 2 (2004, 2006)
NCAA Tournament Record: 1-2
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 2 (Atlantic Hockey - 2003-2004, 2005-2006) Tournament - 3 (MAAC - 1999, Atlantic Hockey - 2004, 2006)
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 5.0707
Change: 0.2743 (+5.72%)
Last Season Position: 44 (unchanged)
The Holy Cross Crusaders come in at #44. The Crusaders had a rough season in 2013-2014, losing 22 games, the most since joining Atlantic Hockey. However, this poor season came on the heels of three consecutive seasons of over .500 play from 2010-2013. There is hope for next season though. While the Crusaders will lose two of their top three scorers, they return goalie Matt Ginn and 12 of their top 14 scorers. In order for Holy Cross to continue their climb in the rankings (or at least maintain their position), they will need to win more conference hardware, and make more trips to the NCAA Tournament. Once there, Paul Pearl has proven effective in getting the most out of his team. But, they haven't been to the biggest stage since 2006. As a result, the Crusaders remain at #44.
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
#43 - Alaska Anchorage Seawolves
All-Time Record (Division 1): 478-612-107 (.444)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 3 (1990, 1991, 1992)
NCAA Tournament Record: 2-5
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 1 (Great West - 1986-1987) Tournament - 0
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 6.3671
Change: 0.9845 (+18.29%)
Last Season Position: 43 (unchanged)
The Alaska Anchorage Seawolves come in at #43. Alaska Anchorage had their first winning season in 21 seasons, going 18-16-4 under first year head coach Matt Thomas. The Seawolves came within an overtime goal of advancing to the WCHA Tournament Championship Game for the first time in their history, but fell just short to MacNaughton Cup winning Ferris State in the Final Five Semifinals. It has to be considered a great season given Anchorage's recent history. The Seawolves had never finished above .500 since joining the WCHA, and they won 14 more games this season than they did in their previous campaign. They won 5 more games this season than their previous two seasons combined. Coach Thomas will have a very difficult challenge in repeating this season's success though, as Anchorage graduates their top two scorers and their top two goalies. However, if Anchorage can continue to add to this success, they stand a good shot of moving up the rankings, especially if they can get back to the NCAA Tournament. For now, Alaska Anchorage sits at #43.
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
#43 - Alaska Anchorage Seawolves
All-Time Record (Division 1): 478-612-107 (.444)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 3 (1990, 1991, 1992)
NCAA Tournament Record: 2-5
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 1 (Great West - 1986-1987) Tournament - 0
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 6.3671
Change: 0.9845 (+18.29%)
Last Season Position: 43 (unchanged)
The Alaska Anchorage Seawolves come in at #43. Alaska Anchorage had their first winning season in 21 seasons, going 18-16-4 under first year head coach Matt Thomas. The Seawolves came within an overtime goal of advancing to the WCHA Tournament Championship Game for the first time in their history, but fell just short to MacNaughton Cup winning Ferris State in the Final Five Semifinals. It has to be considered a great season given Anchorage's recent history. The Seawolves had never finished above .500 since joining the WCHA, and they won 14 more games this season than they did in their previous campaign. They won 5 more games this season than their previous two seasons combined. Coach Thomas will have a very difficult challenge in repeating this season's success though, as Anchorage graduates their top two scorers and their top two goalies. However, if Anchorage can continue to add to this success, they stand a good shot of moving up the rankings, especially if they can get back to the NCAA Tournament. For now, Alaska Anchorage sits at #43.
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
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seawolfpunk
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Well written, but UAA only loses 2 of there top 5 scorers to graduation (Cameron is a 5th year senior)
Other wise well written
Sweet! I didn't/forgot that! How poignant is it that Alaska is ranked 49th...
UncleRay
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
How can teams have more tournament losses than tournament appearances?
The NCAA quarterfinals used to be a two game, total goal series. Teams weren't eliminated by losing their first NCAA game. I think it was 1989 or '90 when the current, single elimination format started being used.
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
Thank you for the correction. I'll edit the original post to indicate only 2 of the top 5 will be gone.
As others have mentioned, there used to be a few different scenarios where a team could lose (or tie) and still advance...
From 1982-1987, 8 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and the Quarterfinals were two game, total goal series.
In 1988, 12 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and both the First Round and the Quarterfinals were two game, total goal series.
From 1989-1991, 12 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and both the First Round and the Quarterfinals were best of 3 series.
In Merrimack's case, they went 2-2-0 in the 1988 tournament, beating Northeastern 10-8 in total goals (3-5 L, 7-3 W) before losing to LSSU 8-4 in total goals (4-3 W, 0-5 L).
Also, during the total goal series time period, there were actually 5 ties.
EDIT: I should also add that from 1949-1989 there was a third place game at the Final Four. Any team that finished fourth would automatically have two losses in the same NCAA Tournament. That meant that in 1988 and 1989, a team could lose 4 games in the NCAA Tournament. Northern Michigan (1981), Boston College (1985), Denver (1986), Maine (1989), and BU (1990) hold the record for most losses in an NCAA Tournament with 3.
Thank you for the correction. I'll edit the original post to indicate only 2 of the top 5 will be gone.
As others have mentioned, there used to be a few different scenarios where a team could lose (or tie) and still advance...
From 1982-1987, 8 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and the Quarterfinals were two game, total goal series.
In 1988, 12 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and both the First Round and the Quarterfinals were two game, total goal series.
From 1989-1991, 12 teams made the NCAA Tournament, and both the First Round and the Quarterfinals were best of 3 series.
In Merrimack's case, they went 2-2-0 in the 1988 tournament, beating Northeastern 10-8 in total goals (3-5 L, 7-3 W) before losing to LSSU 8-4 in total goals (4-3 W, 0-5 L).
Also, during the total goal series time period, there were actually 5 ties.
EDIT: I should also add that from 1949-1989 there was a third place game at the Final Four. Any team that finished fourth would automatically have two losses in the same NCAA Tournament. That meant that in 1988 and 1989, a team could lose 4 games in the NCAA Tournament. Northern Michigan (1981), Boston College (1985), Denver (1986), Maine (1989), and BU (1990) hold the record for most losses in an NCAA Tournament with 3.
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Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
#42 - Air Force Falcons
All-Time Record (Division 1): 686-701-90 (.495)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 5 (2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012)
NCAA Tournament Record: 1-5
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 2 (Atlantic Hockey - 2008-2009, 2011-2012) Tournament - 5 (Atlantic Hockey - 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012)
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 6.4961
Change: 0.1801 (+2.85%)
Last Season Position: 42 (unchanged)
The Air Force Falcons come in at #42. The Falcons won 21 games this season, finishing third in Atlantic Hockey in the regular season before dropping a home Quarterfinal series against Niagara in the Atlantic Hockey Tournament. The 21 wins were tied for the second most the program has won under Head Coach Frank Serratore. Since joining Atlantic Hockey, the Falcons have been over .500 in each of their 8 seasons, and have won the league's automatic birth to the NCAA Tournament an impressive 5 times. It marks a startling turn around from the first half of Serratore's tenure at Air Force, where the Falcons failed to win any conference hardware in the CHA, and only had one season above .500 in nine attempts. The Falcons will look to continue their run of success next season, as they return their top 4 scorers. While they lose their top netminder, Air Force does return Chris Truehl, who had a strong Freshman campaign. If Air Force can continue their winning ways, they have a good chance of continuing to move up these rankings. For now, they sit at #42.
#42 - Air Force - 6.4961
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
#42 - Air Force Falcons
All-Time Record (Division 1): 686-701-90 (.495)
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 5 (2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012)
NCAA Tournament Record: 1-5
Conference Championships: Regular Season - 2 (Atlantic Hockey - 2008-2009, 2011-2012) Tournament - 5 (Atlantic Hockey - 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012)
National Championships: 0
Points Earned - 6.4961
Change: 0.1801 (+2.85%)
Last Season Position: 42 (unchanged)
The Air Force Falcons come in at #42. The Falcons won 21 games this season, finishing third in Atlantic Hockey in the regular season before dropping a home Quarterfinal series against Niagara in the Atlantic Hockey Tournament. The 21 wins were tied for the second most the program has won under Head Coach Frank Serratore. Since joining Atlantic Hockey, the Falcons have been over .500 in each of their 8 seasons, and have won the league's automatic birth to the NCAA Tournament an impressive 5 times. It marks a startling turn around from the first half of Serratore's tenure at Air Force, where the Falcons failed to win any conference hardware in the CHA, and only had one season above .500 in nine attempts. The Falcons will look to continue their run of success next season, as they return their top 4 scorers. While they lose their top netminder, Air Force does return Chris Truehl, who had a strong Freshman campaign. If Air Force can continue their winning ways, they have a good chance of continuing to move up these rankings. For now, they sit at #42.
#42 - Air Force - 6.4961
#43 - Alaska Anchorage - 6.3671
#44 - Holy Cross - 5.0707
#45 - Nebraska Omaha - 5.0605
#46 - Minnesota State - 4.6448
#47 - Merrimack - 4.6092
#48 - Mercyhurst - 4.5085
#49 - Alaska - 3.8568
#50 - Massachusetts - 3.5038
#51 - Alabama Huntsville - 2.1932
#52 - Army - 1.6052
#53 - Canisius - 0.6028
#54 - Robert Morris - 0.5497
#55 - Connecticut - 0.2728
#56 - Sacred Heart - 0.1664
#57 - Penn State - 0.0589
#58 - AIC - 0.0374
#59 - Bentley - 0.0363
DU went 1-3 in the '86 tourney., beating Cornell in total goals 7-6 (4-2, 3-4) and then finishing 4th by losing to Harvard and Minnesota in Providence at the Final 4. I love my Pios but they actually put together a 3 game losing streak in that tourney...
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59
Good Catch. I was only looking at 1988-1989, so I guess I missed a few. Turns out Boston College in 1985 also completed the trifecta, along with Northern Michigan in 1981. DU and NMU were the only 2 of those 5 to lose three consecutive games. I edited the original edit to reflect these additions to the "3 loss club"
A couple of other wacky situations from those years...
1988: Lake Superior State loses in the NCAA Tournament...and WINS the National Championship
1984: Bowling Green not only loses in the NCAA Tournament, but wins the following night 5-1...IN OVERTIME*. The Falcons would go on to win the National Championship as well.
I believe these are the only two teams to ever lose in the NCAA Tournament, but win the National Championship.
*Technically, the Falcons won the second game 4-1, knotting up the total goals, which required a mini-game to be played to determine the winner...at least, that's the way I understand it...wasn't really around for that game
Good Catch. I was only looking at 1988-1989, so I guess I missed a few. Turns out Boston College in 1985 also completed the trifecta, along with Northern Michigan in 1981. DU and NMU were the only 2 of those 5 to lose three consecutive games. I edited the original edit to reflect these additions to the "3 loss club"
A couple of other wacky situations from those years...
1988: Lake Superior State loses in the NCAA Tournament...and WINS the National Championship
1984: Bowling Green not only loses in the NCAA Tournament, but wins the following night 5-1...IN OVERTIME*. The Falcons would go on to win the National Championship as well.
I believe these are the only two teams to ever lose in the NCAA Tournament, but win the National Championship.
*Technically, the Falcons won the second game 4-1, knotting up the total goals, which required a mini-game to be played to determine the winner...at least, that's the way I understand it...wasn't really around for that game
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