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The GQP Thread: I'm even sick of that fuck's number and, anyway, he's gone (for now)

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Swansong said:
https://twitter.com/popehat/status/1...twxWgN9vpc6evw

Popehat pointing out that the lesson that we should be learning from the Jones phone issue is that we should be complying with discovery orders. The inadvertent release of the whole phone (and subsequent lack of clawback) is evidence that converts the matter from summary judgement/possible contempt to full perjury, but not complying with discovery was the initial offense here.
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I mean, what's the penalty? Perjury is like 5yrs and/or $10k. I'd be more afraid of the 5 years. That's not easy time.

What's the penalty for failing to comply with discovery?

Obviously the punishments are different for client and attorney.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I mean, what's the penalty? Perjury is like 5yrs and/or $10k. I'd be more afraid of the 5 years. That's not easy time.

What's the penalty for failing to comply with discovery?

Obviously the punishments are different for client and attorney.
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Well, again, typically the penalty for the defendant/plaintiff would be contempt and/or summary judgement (which could be extremely bad for them), but for the lawyer it could also mean ethics violations, getting fired from their firm or being disbarred (though the nuclear option would likely be exceedingly rare). I'm not a lawyer, obviously, so I will happily defer to those who are.
 
Swansong said:
Well, again, typically the penalty for the defendant/plaintiff would be contempt and/or summary judgement (which could be extremely bad for them), but for the lawyer it could also mean ethics violations, getting fired from their firm or being disbarred (though the nuclear option would likely be exceedingly rare). I'm not a lawyer, obviously, so I will happily defer to those who are.
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I assumed being disbarred wasn't just on the table, it was likely. I was thinking about legal liability (jail time? fines?)
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Had a couple co-workers float this theory this morning, and I agree with you. Even though it may have been the "right" thing to do, as his legal counsel Jones' attorney is still obligated to act in the best interest of his client. The fact is that by the time you've cycled through a dozen attorneys, you're probably scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to the competence of the twelfth one.
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You cannot knowingly suborn perjury under any circumstances. That is where the theory lies.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I assumed being disbarred wasn't just on the table, it was likely. I was thinking about legal liability (jail time? fines?)
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Lol, no attorney is getting disbarred for an inadvertent disclosure in discovery unless they're an egregious repeat offender. Probably a private reprimand from the bar (if reported) with a hit to their malpractice insurance (if there is a malpractice claim made against them).

State bars really only care about one thing, and one thing only: the client trust funds. Running joke is you could murder someone and get away with a reprimand, but misplace one penny in the trust account and you're done.
 
unofan said:
Lol, no attorney is getting disbarred for an inadvertent disclosure in discovery unless they're an egregious repeat offender. Probably a private reprimand from the bar (if reported) with a hit to their malpractice insurance (if there is a malpractice claim made against them).

State bars really only care about one thing, and one thing only: the client trust funds. Running joke is you could murder someone and get away with a reprimand, but misplace one penny in the trust account and you're done.
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Huh. Figures. Protect the cash.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Eventually a few of these loons are going to successfully assassinate current office-holders and/or candidates. That's when America's version of The Troubles will really begin.
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That is the part that is starting to scare the ever-loving S* out of me.

The fringe of the GOP is so damned crazy and stupid. And they feel like "Their Kind" are being cornered, so you know a strike is coming.
 
MissThundercat said:
It amuses me greatly that Ryan Kelley came in 4th place in the MI Republican governor primary, and is calling it fraud.

He learned it from Mango Mussolini, I'm sure.
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I read that one of the local TV stations did a poll last week that showed him in fourth, so now he's claiming that it was a "dry run of their fake voting results" and it's some grand conspiracy that he actually finished in fourth.
 
Handyman said:
A lot of GQPers are gonna sweat now...

Fuck Around And Find Out

Jones is also ordered to pay 4 million in Actual damages with the punitive damages to be reveled tomorrow.
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I'm curious as to what direction(s) this new stuff could go in.

I kind of get the idea that a decent chunk of the GOP would see Jones in kind of the same light we do: The crazy uncle who is off the deep end with conspiracies. But that other half...

**Gets Popcorn**
 
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