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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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Priceless said:
I said Hitler was a Christian. Now, I suppose you could argue that all Christians are *supposed* to act like Christ, but not very many do.
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Hitler, in fact, grew up "intoxicated" with the pageantry of the church. The cathedral in his hometown was decorated with swastikas. And you could make a good case that the SS and Society of Jesus fulfilled similar functions. That doesn't necessarily make him a good Catholic, any more than Al Capone was a good Catholic by going to Mass on Sundays. But there's no question whatsoever that National Socialism's public manifestations were influenced to a significant extent by the Church.
 
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Kepler said:
Nice quote from that article:



I'm guessing of all the ways to get sued, the "you knowingly flew into a dangerous environment" is a really tough one to prove, but the carriers are right to be careful. Speaking of, is Malaysia Air going to be sued into oblivion? Not that they don't have enough problems already.
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In the 80's an L1011 bellyflopped into DFW because of wind shear. That very night Caesar Belli (son of Melvin) flew in from San Francisco and checked into the hotel where victims' families were staying. The answer to your question is an enthusiastic yes.
 
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Old Pio said:
Hitler, in fact, grew up "intoxicated" with the pageantry of the church. The cathedral in his hometown was decorated with swastikas. And you could make a good case that the SS and Society of Jesus fulfilled similar functions. That doesn't necessarily make him a good Catholic, any more than Al Capone was a good Catholic by going to Mass on Sundays. But there's no question whatsoever that National Socialism's public manifestations were influenced to a significant extent by the Church.
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Except, IIRC, the Christian swastika tilted the other way.
 
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Old Pio said:
In the 80's an L1011 bellyflopped into DFW because of wind shear. That very night Caesar Belli (son of Melvin) flew in from San Francisco and checked into the hotel where victims' families were staying. The answer to your question is an enthusiastic yes.
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You really need to start adding Wikipedia links to your posts.
 
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Old Pio said:
I guess you're right. That one is a vivid memory given that I was in Texas at the time and didn't have to look it up.
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I had to really rack my brains to remember Melvin Belli. He was the ambulance chaser who would raise a pirate flag and fire a fucking cannon when he won his cases.
 
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Kepler said:
I had to really rack my brains to remember Melvin Belli. He was the ambulance chaser who would raise a pirate flag and fire a fucking cannon when he won his cases.
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He represented the survivors in Bhopal, India who were killed by MIC gas. At one point he claimed his clients should be compensated at the same rate they would have been if they'd been Americans. 'Course these were people making 40 bucks a month and living in horrific squalor. And a ten or 20 thousand dollar settlement would have been life altering. But for Melvin? Not so much.
 
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Old Pio said:
Hitler, in fact, grew up "intoxicated" with the pageantry of the church. The cathedral in his hometown was decorated with swastikas. And you could make a good case that the SS and Society of Jesus fulfilled similar functions. That doesn't necessarily make him a good Catholic, any more than Al Capone was a good Catholic by going to Mass on Sundays. But there's no question whatsoever that National Socialism's public manifestations were influenced to a significant extent by the Church.
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Huh? Did Priceless coopt OP's username and password or something? Not buying it. There was a time in Hitler's youth that he was quite interested in the church and toyed with the idea of going into the clergy, but that's when he was quite young and that faded rather quickly, never to come back. Maybe you're referring to some of the sham church stuff the Nazis did, while doing away with the folks like Boenhoeffer who followed Christian teaching and opposed the Nazis.

Here's a sample of some quotes from the wiki on religion in Nazi Germany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
"Nazis, who left the churches in response and encouragement of the Nazi Party program to reduce the influence of the Christian churches in Germany"

"The Nazi Fuehrer Adolf Hitler stated repeatedly Nazism was founded on science not faith."

"Anti-Church radicals included Hitler's militant atheist Deputy Martin Bormann and Minister for Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, the neo-pagan official Nazi Philosopher Alfred Rosenberg and security chief Heinrich Himmler."

"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler and the Nazis intended to eradicate Christianity in Germany after winning victory in the war."

"During Hitler's dictatorship, more than 6,000 clergymen, on the charge of treasonable activity, were imprisoned or executed."

"Christianity remained the dominant religion in Germany through the Nazi period, and its influence over Germans displeased the Nazi hierarchy. Evans wrote that Hitler believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition". Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'" "

"Writing for Yad Vashem, the historian Michael Phayer wrote that by the latter 1930s, church officials knew that the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion", but that given the prominence of Christianity in Germany, this was necessarily a long term goal.[63] According to Bullock, Hitler intended to destroy the influence of the Christian churches in Germany after the war.[64] In his memoirs, Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer recalled that when drafting his plans for the "new Berlin", he consulted Protestant and Catholic authorities, but was "curtly informed" by Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann that churches were not to receive building sites.[65] Kershaw wrote that, in Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, he made clear that there would be "no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches'."

And on and on . . . . . .
 
Bob Gray said:
Huh? Did Priceless coopt OP's username and password or something? Not buying it. There was a time in Hitler's youth that he was quite interested in the church and toyed with the idea of going into the clergy, but that's when he was quite young and that faded rather quickly, never to come back. Maybe you're referring to some of the sham church stuff the Nazis did, while doing away with the folks like Boenhoeffer who followed Christian teaching and opposed the Nazis.

Here's a sample of some quotes from the wiki on religion in Nazi Germany:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
"Nazis, who left the churches in response and encouragement of the Nazi Party program to reduce the influence of the Christian churches in Germany"

"The Nazi Fuehrer Adolf Hitler stated repeatedly Nazism was founded on science not faith."

"Anti-Church radicals included Hitler's militant atheist Deputy Martin Bormann and Minister for Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, the neo-pagan official Nazi Philosopher Alfred Rosenberg and security chief Heinrich Himmler."

"It is generally believed by historians that Hitler and the Nazis intended to eradicate Christianity in Germany after winning victory in the war."

"During Hitler's dictatorship, more than 6,000 clergymen, on the charge of treasonable activity, were imprisoned or executed."

"Christianity remained the dominant religion in Germany through the Nazi period, and its influence over Germans displeased the Nazi hierarchy. Evans wrote that Hitler believed that in the long run National Socialism and religion would not be able to co-exist, and stressed repeatedly that Nazism was a secular ideology, founded on modern science: "Science, he declared, would easily destroy the last remaining vestiges of superstition". Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and "Priests, he said, were 'black bugs', 'abortions in black cassocks'" "

"Writing for Yad Vashem, the historian Michael Phayer wrote that by the latter 1930s, church officials knew that the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion", but that given the prominence of Christianity in Germany, this was necessarily a long term goal.[63] According to Bullock, Hitler intended to destroy the influence of the Christian churches in Germany after the war.[64] In his memoirs, Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer recalled that when drafting his plans for the "new Berlin", he consulted Protestant and Catholic authorities, but was "curtly informed" by Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann that churches were not to receive building sites.[65] Kershaw wrote that, in Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, he made clear that there would be "no place in this utopia for the Christian Churches'."

And on and on . . . . . .
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As any college student from 2005 on knows, never cite Wikipedia as a source.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
No, I'm just saying you should use a better source to prove the point.
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I understand what you're saying, but this one is such a no brainer I didn't bother putting much effort into it. Not to mention that few people around here even bother to cite wiki, let alone a better source. Like Pio's posting that has no sources (that you didn't raise an issue with) or Priceless' ramblings that rarely cite anything.
 
Bob Gray said:
I understand what you're saying, but this one is such a no brainer I didn't bother putting much effort into it. Not to mention that few people around here even bother to cite wiki, let alone a better source. Like Pio's posting that has no sources (that you didn't raise an issue with) or Priceless' ramblings that rarely cite anything.
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I didn't say anything because I never really pay any attention to OP or Priceless' ramblings.
 
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