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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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5mn_Major said:
I think the First is awesome and applies here as much as anywhere.

But that doesn't say anything about his (or his counterparts) multi million pay days which result to the detriment of this country. Or doesn't mean that he should have something on his conscience if the golden rule means anything to him.



I understand your broader point. But there is the impressionable middle that falls into the trap and then votes.
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In addition to begging the question, I assume you define "detriment" rather broadly as anything or anyone you disagree with.

I further assume your reference to "multi-million pay days" excludes your Hollywood pals.
 
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Old Pio said:
I further assume your reference to "multi-million pay days" excludes your Hollywood pals.
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Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert etc, are OK in his book, they make millions the right or is it left way?
 
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walrus said:
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert etc, are OK in his book, they make millions the right or is it left way?
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I am fine when folks make millions off of publicity (see Paris Hilton). I am of the opinion that in the 90s Rush was a major part of change that drove today's incompetent partisan politics and caused media to turn into derogatory entertainment. Its incidental that he happened to make lots of money helping screw up this country. Now Putin's propaganda machine has jumped on the Rush wagon. Anyone may feel free to provide data to the contrary.
 
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walrus said:
Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert etc, are OK in his book, they make millions the right or is it left way?
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Watching Stewart & Colbert for domestic news and Oliver for international gives a viewer a better understanding of actual news than fighting through the garbage on the ostensibly "straight" newscasts. The Feeble Three gum whatever platitudes and cliches their corporate masters have pre-approved, the Partisan Duo are stenographers for their respective parties' publicity departments, and CNN wanders in circles rehashing old E! footage.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Putin's propaganda machine has jumped on the Rush wagon. Anyone may feel free to provide data to the contrary.
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Holy smokes. This reminds me of Priceless saying that Hitler was exactly like Jesus, "prove me wrong."
Limbaugh is a harmless lovable little fuzzball, or at worst an annoyingly strident entertainer. He is not teaching lessons on propaganda to the evil dictators of the world. You guys are focusing way to narrowly on one idiot with a radio show for all the ills of the world.
Do I need to repeat any of that?
The "evilscary Koch brothers" may be going out of fashion now as the Terror du Jour, but there's nothing to be gained by transposing all that magical thinking to Rush Limbaugh, Radio Guy.
 
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geezer said:
Holy smokes. This reminds me of Priceless saying that Hitler was exactly like Jesus, "prove me wrong."
Limbaugh is a harmless lovable little fuzzball, or at worst an annoyingly strident entertainer. He is not teaching lessons on propaganda to the evil dictators of the world. You guys are focusing way to narrowly on one idiot with a radio show for all the ills of the world.
Do I need to repeat any of that?
The "evilscary Koch brothers" may be going out of fashion now as the Terror du Jour, but there's nothing to be gained by transposing all that magical thinking to Rush Limbaugh, Radio Guy.
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Its not the nature of Rush. He's as much of a hack as Coulter or others on the left. His problem is his legacy. Buckley was an intellectual who argued facts and promoted debate. On the other hand, Rush is a forefather of mindless derogatory partisanship. And if you've looked at current pro Russian media, that is their MO.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Buckley was an intellectual who argued facts and promoted debate. On the other hand, Rush is a forefather of mindless derogatory partisanship.
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You have a valid point, but I don't think Rush has actually diminished the level of important intellectual debate as much as this suggests. Bluntly, smart people have always followed the Buckley style and stupid people have always followed the Rush style. There are far more stupid than smart people, so it appears they are dominating public discourse, but that has never mattered: the smart people have always controlled actual policy.

With the advent of talk radio and the internet we saw the number and viciousness of the stupid people more clearly than before, but nothing has really changed.
 
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Kepler said:
You have a valid point, but I don't think Rush has actually diminished the level of important intellectual debate as much as this suggests. Bluntly, smart people have always followed the Buckley style and stupid people have always followed the Rush style. There are far more stupid than smart people, so it appears they are dominating public discourse, but that has never mattered: the smart people have always controlled actual policy.

With the advent of talk radio and the internet we saw the number and viciousness of the stupid people more clearly than before, but nothing has really changed.
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As a I wise man once said 'I understand your broader point. But there is the impressionable middle that falls into the trap and then votes.' And Russia is now included in that statement.
 
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5mn_Major said:
As a I wise man once said 'I understand your broader point. But there is the impressionable middle that falls into the trap and then votes.'
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The question is, does Rush change anybody's mind? My guess is Rush doesn't create idiots, he attracts them, so overall voting remains the same. I don't believe Rush has ever won or lost any election for anybody.
 
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Kepler said:
The question is, does Rush change anybody's mind? My guess is Rush doesn't create idiots, he attracts them, so overall voting remains the same. I don't believe Rush has ever won or lost any election for anybody.
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I am of the opinion that the dialog has gone in the tank since then...in terms of media if nothing else. And I do believe that politicians are affected by media. In short, we don't know.
 
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Priceless said:
I said Hitler was a Christian. Now, I suppose you could argue that all Christians are *supposed* to act like Christ, but not very many do.
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I thought Hitler went in for some sort of Wagnerian Odin cult? He seemed less cross and chalice and more spear and magic helmet.
 
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Priceless said:
I said Hitler was a Christian. Now, I suppose you could argue that all Christians are *supposed* to act like Christ, but not very many do.
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No he wasn't. He used Christianity by way of seeking support for his ideas in the beginning, but then actively sought to remove religion from the lives of party members as a way to further bend morality to his way of thinking.
 
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5mn_Major said:
I am of the opinion that the dialog has gone in the tank since then...in terms of media if nothing else. And I do believe that politicians are affected by media. In short, we don't know.
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It may have, I don't know. I assume the sort of bilge Fox peddles always used to be out there, we just didn't see it because it was spread by word of mouth and by subscription. I guess it is not a stretch to assume improving mass communication has accelerated the rate of infection. Again, I think smart people have always been curious and resourceful enough to educate themselves and expand their horizons, whether by library or search engine, while stupid people have always been trapped by whatever narrative their father or preacher fed them.
 
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St. Clown said:
No he wasn't. He used Christianity by way of seeking support for his ideas in the beginning, but then actively sought to remove religion from the lives of party members as a way to further bend morality to his way of thinking.
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Good luck trying to convince him of that. I spent a couple days awhile back, and Priceless never was able to grasp that Hitler wasn't a Christian, even if he took advantage of Christian symbolism and such at times. Diettrich Boenhoffer and many other Christians executed by Hitler's minions would certainly take issue with Priceless' rather daft idea.
 
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FreshFish said:
FAA has halted all US airline flights into Tel Aviv airport for at least 24 hours after a missile attack there.
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Nice quote from that article:

Jonathan Reiter, a prominent New York aviation-accident attorney, said flying into an airport after a near-miss by a rocket could be used to show that the airline was negligent. That explains why airlines are suspending service to Israel.
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I'm guessing of all the ways to get sued, the "you knowingly flew into a dangerous environment" is a really tough one to prove, but the carriers are right to be careful. Speaking of, is Malaysia Air going to be sued into oblivion? Not that they don't have enough problems already.
 
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