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The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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Patman said:
Chuck, the problem in that case is that some programs have squandered the talent given to them... Namely bu, Maine, and UNH. You know this to be true. BU won a national title in that stretch but I have to imagine to a man they believe they ought to be doing better.

If it weren't for that stuff we wouldn't be having this conversation. Those schools have had the parts, they haven't had the culture or coaching to make it work recently. I'd love to see what Bazin could do with that level of talent.
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I find this an interesting comment as it originates from outside the three relevant fanbases. Over the past year, based on the team threads, there is near unanimity amongst the fans of these three former "Big 4" members that they DON'T have the talent they used to have. As a long time UNH fan I KNOW that is true in Durham - the horses ain't what they used to be. And it is my opinion that the same is unquestionably true of our close friends to the northeast.

I'm thinking there is an assumption on your part, Patman, that these programs have continued to draw the talent, but it doesn't look that way from where I'm sitting. On paper, perhaps, bu has continued to have the talent, but not so much UNH and ME.

Norm could use some help up front, but on the back side he has had as much to work with as anybody, more than most in the league. It would be interesting to see if the 'Hawks style of play changed with more upfront juice. For all I know (which isn't much) they have plenty of talent at forward but the style of play hides it well. :p
 
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Chuck Murray said:
OK I call BS. :D Putting aside the pseudo D-1 schools competing in Atlantic Hockey ... name one? :confused:

and yeah, yesterday was kinda boring :o
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I bet every non-ivy in the ECAC. They wouldn't say it unless they were leaving but anyone would leave their
average looking girlfriend for Kate Upton.
 
Please bookmark this thread for four years from now when BU wins it's first under Quinn beating the Dean Smith of coaches, Jerry York. He's building the foundation the way Shawn Walsh built it at Maine circa 1984. Only issue is that with recruiting 16 year olds the lead time is longer that walsh's 3 year plan.
 
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NCAA watcher said:
Please bookmark this thread for four years from now when BU wins it's first under Quinn beating the Dean Smith of coaches, Jerry York. He's building the foundation the way Shawn Walsh built it at Maine circa 1984. Only issue is that with recruiting 16 year olds the lead time is longer that walsh's 3 year plan.
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Retroactive financial aid?? :confused: :eek: :p

I bet someone in Indianapolis has just bookmarked a trip to visit Coach Quinn in four years' time. ;)

Seriously, though ... interesting thoughts (as always) 'Watcher. I will only add the caveat that building foundations and drawing talent is only part of the job. Drawing that talent out to compete at the highest levels is a whole 'nother proposition. With all due respect to Coach Quinn, he has a LONG way to go to convince me (and more so his future players) that he is going to be that dynamic personality to lead BU back to the heights (not Heights ;) ) experienced by Coach Parker, or that Walshy guy up in the Downeast. You certainly have set the bar awfully high for him and his program.
 
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Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

As a UVM fan, all I know, is that the original post on here is how smack talk should be done. Nice job.
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

Aerman said:
I find this an interesting comment as it originates from outside the three relevant fanbases. Over the past year, based on the team threads, there is near unanimity amongst the fans of these three former "Big 4" members that they DON'T have the talent they used to have. As a long time UNH fan I KNOW that is true in Durham - the horses ain't what they used to be. And it is my opinion that the same is unquestionably true of our close friends to the northeast.

I'm thinking there is an assumption on your part, Patman, that these programs have continued to draw the talent, but it doesn't look that way from where I'm sitting. On paper, perhaps, bu has continued to have the talent, but not so much UNH and ME.

Norm could use some help up front, but on the back side he has had as much to work with as anybody, more than most in the league. It would be interesting to see if the 'Hawks style of play changed with more upfront juice. For all I know (which isn't much) they have plenty of talent at forward but the style of play hides it well. :p
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Not speaking for Patman, but as another Lowell fan. I see the recruiting classes lined up for BU and UNH (specifically) and a little bit of a drop for Maine ... and see some serious talent coming into those programs, this year and coming up. It's scary talent (predicting, anyway) ... and should see those schools head back to where they usually are.

In regards to Lowell ... first, it's been three years, not two. ;) Second, yes, most of us are embarrassed that we put up so many banners. Third, in regards to the defense ... many of us are petrified about this upcoming season. Yes, there's plenty of talent coming back, but as of now, there are 4 veteran d-men, one who joined in January but didn't play, and two freshmen coming in. There's no depth whatsoever (as of now). In regards the forwards, I don't think Lowell has been able to get the talent level that we'd like to see. I think there's some very good possibles coming in the future (Lohin and Dmowski to name a couple).
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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UMLFan said:
Not speaking for Patman, but as another Lowell fan. I see the recruiting classes lined up for BU and UNH (specifically) and a little bit of a drop for Maine ... and see some serious talent coming into those programs, this year and coming up. It's scary talent (predicting, anyway) ... and should see those schools head back to where they usually are.

In regards to Lowell ... first, it's been three years, not two. ;) Second, yes, most of us are embarrassed that we put up so many banners. Third, in regards to the defense ... many of us are petrified about this upcoming season. Yes, there's plenty of talent coming back, but as of now, there are 4 veteran d-men, one who joined in January but didn't play, and two freshmen coming in. There's no depth whatsoever (as of now). In regards the forwards, I don't think Lowell has been able to get the talent level that we'd like to see. I think there's some very good possibles coming in the future (Lohin and Dmowski to name a couple).
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With Norm Bazin taking charge of this Team,nothing but good and positives have happened,and even though a UMaine Hockey fan...glad to see it happening and only hope that UML stays strong from here on in...and even in a year where you have to rebuild/retool,good things happen with younger players getting the time to play...with bumps in the road for sure. As far as Hockey East in general,my thoughts are for a strong Conference from top to bottom...does it and will it happen...not every year. So either you like the League or you find any and all reasons to dump on Hockey East. But a Strong Hockey East is good for College Hockey(imo:D).
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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My comment was generalized at the last several years. Fact is that talent went to Maine that wouldn't go to the lower tier HEA schools despite Whitehead's inability to perform. UNH may also be slipping in player quality but again, they've had the means and have gotten the better of the players with regards to the rest of the pack.

So, that being said. If the big 4 can't convert then that's on them... And if they did what they should have we wouldn't have this convo.

Of course, I'd rather have more dust kicking threads from Chuck than not, so I think its for the best :p
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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Chuck Murray said:
OK I call BS. :D Putting aside the pseudo D-1 schools competing in Atlantic Hockey ... name one? :confused:

and yeah, yesterday was kinda boring :o
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Q would join in a second. Other than that, nobody in the ECAC wants to join HE (except maybe us ;) )
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

Aerman said:
I find this an interesting comment as it originates from outside the three relevant fanbases. Over the past year, based on the team threads, there is near unanimity amongst the fans of these three former "Big 4" members that they DON'T have the talent they used to have.
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Nobody really does, except BC, which is what makes BC so weird. All of the other factory schools have been in relative decline against the rest of the NC$$ over the last decade plus. Either the bottom is catching up in talent, or the five star guys who used to go to Minny or Michigan are now getting siphoned into the CHL, or both.
 
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I was wondering when mookie would find this thread.:D
 
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claver2010 said:
Maine & UNH are perpetually meh middle of the conference, maybe make the tournament but not really challenge for the FF.
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You might want to check the history of that.
 
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Kepler said:
Nobody really does, except BC, which is what makes BC so weird. All of the other factory schools have been in relative decline against the rest of the NC$$ over the last decade plus. Either the bottom is catching up in talent, or the five star guys who used to go to Minny or Michigan are now getting siphoned into the CHL, or both.
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Minnesota hasn't lost a serious recruit to the CHL since Peter Mueller 9 years ago...and I can't even tell you of any others. I think that would put most HE teams as more vulnerable than the gophers.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Minnesota hasn't lost a serious recruit to the CHL since Peter Mueller 9 years ago...and I can't even tell you of any others. I think that would put most HE teams as more vulnerable than the gophers.
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Its a matter of who you go after, I think Michigan and BC are more susceptible. Minnesota has the built in pride factor which probably keeps people in and also means you don't have to fight too much with MJ.

The thing with hockey players... if they think they're on the fast track then MJ is hard to resist. I know Lowell has lost one or two on occasion. In each case I don't think much happened to them... in one case a player got injured right away and got jettisoned. Nonetheless, if you're confident and high on yourself you're going to put your stock higher than you should. Insurance is not something the young consider.
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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Kepler said:
Q would join in a second. Other than that, nobody in the ECAC wants to join HE (except maybe us ;) )
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I don't agree with that. HE just had an opening, which eventually became UConn. I don't remember hearing if any ECAC schools applied to take that opening. I think if Q wanted to jump, they would have applied. And if they had applied, I can't see HE picking UConn over Q.
 
Re: The Fallacy of HE "Supremacy" - BC, The Seven Dwarfs and The Least of the East

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UncleRay said:
You might want to check the history of that.
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The argument is of late it's been BC and the 7 dwarfs. I know the history of Maine cheating & UNH choking.

Maine has made the tournament once in the last 7 years, UNH hasn't made the FF in over a decade depsite having home ice in the tournament every other year.
 
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