The end of leagues as we know?

[Biddco]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

That was a long reading of 24 pages. The criticism of McLeod's leadership seems justified here. dg knew more about this conference than he did!

 

[NMU8405]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news for Western Michigan but there is very little chance that they come along with Notre Dame to Hockey East. Even bringing Miami with them would not not have been the reason to take in Notre Dame. Notre Dame stands alone and there are plenty of choices for a 12th team on the Hockey East doorstep most notably RPI if they want to come in with Notre Dame. There is even much thought that Notre Dame is too far from the footprint so unless you are a perennial top 10 team I don't think you would even be considered.

Wasnt there talk years ago about Quinnipiac joining Hockey East? Id look for them to be 12th team. Or the obvious choice, UConn to join the other New England flagship schools (UMass, UNH, Vermont, Maine)

 

[scsutommyboy]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

I think you missed my point(s).

I feel (felt) the same way about the WCHA although I'd be dishonest to say that I rooted for ALL of our conference mates.

All I'm saying is that the Tech, Mavs, UAA and SCSU fans who are accusing the big schools of bad behavior are on shaky ground with their own schools trying, but ultimately failing, to do the same thing.

You're not saying that it was all okay because the schools that would have been hurt are from the CCHA, are you? Their not "family," so screw them?

I think everybody needs to take a step back and wait until we find out what really happened.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Wasnt there talk years ago about Quinnipiac joining Hockey East? Id look for them to be 12th team. Or the obvious choice, UConn to join the other New England flagship schools (UMass, UNH, Vermont, Maine)

UConn, a school that offers no scholarships, has a run-down rink, has had the same coach for 25 years through mostly bad seasons, and draws between 100 and 500 fans per game is the obvious choice for Hockey East?

Think first. Then speak.

 

[NMU8405]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

UConn, a school that offers no scholarships, has a run-down rink, has had the same coach for 25 years through mostly bad seasons, and draws between 100 and 500 fans per game is the obvious choice for Hockey East?

Think first. Then speak.

Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning? If UConn played BC, BU, UNH, UMass etc...Im sure their attendance will rise. Im sure UConn vs. AIC is a great draw down there in Storrs. As for their rink, if they make the commitment to play in a better league, the rink will come in time.

Also, UConn averaged 850 fans per game...about 61% capacity.
Northeastern averaged 38% capacity.

 

[Alton]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Yes but I believe they have the option of playing up to D-1 if they choose to. The only door that has been permanently closed is D-III moving up to play in D-1.

No, schools are not allowed to "play up" to Division I any more, unless they are currently doing so. No distinction is made between Division II and Division III in this respect.

Also, it was clarified back in February that Division II institutions outside of the United States are not eligible for Division I tournaments: "The cabinet reviewed Constitution 3.1.1, which limits Division I membership to colleges, universities, athletics conferences or associations, and other groups that are related to intercollegiate athletics that are accredited by one of the six regional accrediting agencies and that are located in the United States, its territories or possessions, and agreed that the principle set forth in such legislation should also apply to eligibility for participation in a Division I championship." (emphasis added).

Source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/DI_Admin_Cab/Feb 2011/Feb 2011 Report.pdf page 2, item 1(c).

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning? If UConn played BC, BU, UNH, UMass etc...Im sure their attendance will rise. Im sure UConn vs. AIC is a great draw down there in Storrs. As for their rink, if they make the commitment to play in a better league, the rink will come in time.

The more you speak, the more you underline your ignorance. Therefore, I would suggest not speaking. For your sake.

 

[Sean Pickett]

No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Danger

No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Danger

Both new conference will not receive an automatic bid for their first two seasons and the WCHA and CHAA could lose their autobids

NCAA Division I Bylaws:
31.3.4.2 Requirements—National Collegiate Championship. [#] To be eligible for automatic qualification in a National Collegiate Championship, a member conference must meet the following general requirements: (Adopted: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Have at least six active members that sponsor the applicable sport in any division (Note: a provisional member in the process of becoming an NCAA member cannot be used to meet the requisite number);
(b) The six active members must have conducted conference competition together for the preceding two years in the applicable sport;
(c) There shall be no waivers of the two-year waiting period; and
(d) Any new member added to a conference that is eligible for an automatic bid shall be immediately eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier.

 

[Beer Pong Horn]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning? If UConn played BC, BU, UNH, UMass etc...Im sure their attendance will rise. Im sure UConn vs. AIC is a great draw down there in Storrs. As for their rink, if they make the commitment to play in a better league, the rink will come in time.

Also, UConn averaged 850 fans per game...about 61% capacity.
Northeastern averaged 38% capacity.

The more you speak, the more you underline your ignorance. Therefore, I would suggest not speaking. For your sake.

What Red Cloud said. But, for poops and giggles:

Northeastern: 5,900 * 0.38 = 2,242 average attendance per game.

UConn: ~1400 * 0.61 = 850 average attendance per game.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

Both new conference will not receive an automatic bid for their first two seasons and the WCHA and CHAA could lose their autobids

NCAA Division I Bylaws:
31.3.4.2 Requirements—National Collegiate Championship. [#] To be eligible for automatic qualification in a National Collegiate Championship, a member conference must meet the following general requirements: (Adopted: 1/9/06 effective 8/1/06)
(a) Have at least six active members that sponsor the applicable sport in any division (Note: a provisional member in the process of becoming an NCAA member cannot be used to meet the requisite number);
(b) The six active members must have conducted conference competition together for the preceding two years in the applicable sport;
(c) There shall be no waivers of the two-year waiting period; and
(d) Any new member added to a conference that is eligible for an automatic bid shall be immediately eligible to represent the conference as the automatic qualifier.

We knew the CCHA and WCHA could potentially lose the autobids, but I had forgotten about the two-year rule - the Big Ten is obviously going to have to wait, but I wonder if the superconference could make an argument for getting an autobid immediately if they brought on a sixth WCHA team? By the letter of the law, that would be six active members having conducted conference competition together for the preceding two years.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Also, UConn averaged 850 fans per game...about 61% capacity.
Northeastern averaged 38% capacity.

NMU should build an arena with only 4 seats in it. They would (likely) sell out every game, and therefore be the most sought after team in the nation.

I mean, this is where you're going with this, right?

 

[Beer Pong Horn]

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

We knew the CCHA and WCHA could potentially lose the autobids, but I had forgotten about the two-year rule - the Big Ten is obviously going to have to wait, but I wonder if the superconference could make an argument for getting an autobid immediately if they brought on a sixth WCHA team? By the letter of the law, that would be six active members having conducted conference competition together for the preceding two years.

My first inclination would be that no, as a new conference they wouldn't be able to compete for the NCAA championship. Does anyone remember whether the HEA teams were eligible when they first split off? EDIT: Though this particular regulation was at least rewritten in 2006, so it may not have applied then.

 

[Alton]

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

We knew the CCHA and WCHA could potentially lose the autobids, but I had forgotten about the two-year rule - the Big Ten is obviously going to have to wait, but I wonder if the superconference could make an argument for getting an autobid immediately if they brought on a sixth WCHA team? By the letter of the law, that would be six active members having conducted conference competition together for the preceding two years.

I had not thought about this, but I think the answer is NO.

In basketball and probably several other sports, the WAC consisted of 16 institutions for a couple of years back in the 1990s, before 8 institutions split off into the Mountain West conference. The Mountain West did not get an autobid into the NCAA basketball tournament until its third year of existence, so I am pretty sure that this means that they need to have competed together in their current conference for the past 2 years.

It certainly isn't clear from the way the regulation is written, though.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

Re: No Automatic Bids for B1G and 'Super Conference'; WCHA and CCHA Autobids in Dange

My first inclination would be that no, as a new conference they wouldn't be able to compete for the NCAA championship. Does anyone remember whether the HEA teams were eligible when they first split off?

The schools would be eligible for the NCAA Tournament, just not an auto qualifier.

 

[Patman]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning? If UConn played BC, BU, UNH, UMass etc...Im sure their attendance will rise. Im sure UConn vs. AIC is a great draw down there in Storrs. As for their rink, if they make the commitment to play in a better league, the rink will come in time.

Also, UConn averaged 850 fans per game...about 61% capacity.
Northeastern averaged 38% capacity.

You don't have any idea of what you're talking about.

 

[ecbrevik]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Who ****ed in your Cheerios this morning? If UConn played BC, BU, UNH, UMass etc...Im sure their attendance will rise. Im sure UConn vs. AIC is a great draw down there in Storrs. As for their rink, if they make the commitment to play in a better league, the rink will come in time.

Also, UConn averaged 850 fans per game...about 61% capacity.
Northeastern averaged 38% capacity.

The only way that UConn would ever possibly be competative in HE is if the UConn administration put some serious money into the program, including upgraded facilities. They haven't shown the inclination to do so to this point.

 

[HarleyMC]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Kind of makes you wonder what their smoking in the newsroom at WSAU. Badgers joining the new league?

 

[motox]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Kind of makes you wonder what their smoking in the newsroom at WSAU. Badgers joining the new league?

LOL, they should be banned from reporting anything hockey related ever again.

 

[bronconick]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Kind of makes you wonder what their smoking in the newsroom at WSAU. Badgers joining the new league?

"Hi, I'm Barry Alvarez. After being the public face of pushing for a Big Ten Hockey Conference for years, now that one is on it's way, I'm going to reverse course and join another league and risk having my University get roasted over the fire by the other 11 Big Ten schools."

Hell, I'm pretty sure the states of Minnesota and Wisconsin would actually go to war, since about 80% of Gopher fans hate the idea of the BTHC.

 

[ecbrevik]

Re: The end of leagues as we know?

Kind of makes you wonder what their smoking in the newsroom at WSAU. Badgers joining the new league?

The piece is poorly worded, but if you read it carefully, it says:

This league is taking form at about the same time the Big Ten has announced it will form a hockey league in two years.

Minnesota and Wisconsin will leave the WCHA to join in that league with Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and a startup program at Penn State.

I think what the writers intend to communicate is that the Big 10 schools are leaving the WCHA to form a new Big 10 conference with the CCHA B10 schools and Penn St. At the same time, other WCHA schools are leaving the conference to form a new one.