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The definitive tournament speculation thread

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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
If Oswego loses in the SUNYAC quarterfinals, something is really wrong in Oz. How do you lose a game against an opponent named "BYE"??? :)

Then again, we ARE discussing the team that lost the 1987 National Championship to *Vacant. :rolleyes:
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Now thats some funny****!!!
 
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nysportsfan29 said:
Sheesh. What a way to be rewarded for taking the top spot in the East - being seeded to play against either Plattsburgh or Norwich (assuming Curry loses in the 1st round).

The seeding is done more out of a way to minimize travel, correct? Because wouldn't it make more sense to give the top seed the lowest remaining seed (as in the winner of the 6/7 matchup as opposed to the 5/8 matchup assuming the higher seeds win both games)?

Also, is there any way that Oswego does not hold on to the #1 spot in the East? I would think losing their next 3 to Brockport, Geneseo and whoever they play in the SUNYAC quarters could possibly accomplish that, but any other scenario(s)? I mean I would expect they could at least handle Brockport...
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I think I goofed and Oswego would get the E6/E7 winner, not the E5/E8 winner.
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
If Oswego loses in the SUNYAC quarterfinals, something is really wrong in Oz. How do you lose a game against an opponent named "BYE"??? :)

Then again, we ARE discussing the team that lost the 1987 National Championship to *Vacant. :rolleyes:
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+1
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
If Oswego loses in the SUNYAC quarterfinals, something is really wrong in Oz. How do you lose a game against an opponent named "BYE"??? :)

Then again, we ARE discussing the team that lost the 1987 National Championship to *Vacant. :rolleyes:
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Whoops. ZING!

Josh Carey said:
I think I goofed and Oswego would get the E6/E7 winner, not the E5/E8 winner.
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That's a relief.
 
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Crying about matchups is the cry of the pessimist - if you are worried that somebody will beat you, and don't think it is fair that you have to play them so early, then you are saying loud and clear, "we can't win this unless somebody beats Norwich or Plattsburgh, or whoever for us." The only real fairness issue is that the higher seed should have home ice. That's what you earn with your reg season performance. You can't say we lost the championship because we had to play Utica, or whoever. If you lose, it doesn't matter if you lose in the first round, or the quarters, or the semis or the finals - the result is the same you are not the champion.
 
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NUProf said:
Crying about matchups is the cry of the pessimist - if you are worried that somebody will beat you, and don't think it is fair that you have to play them so early, then you are saying loud and clear, "we can't win this unless somebody beats Norwich or Plattsburgh, or whoever for us." The only real fairness issue is that the higher seed should have home ice. That's what you earn with your reg season performance. You can't say we lost the championship because we had to play Utica, or whoever. If you lose, it doesn't matter if you lose in the first round, or the quarters, or the semis or the finals - the result is the same you are not the champion.
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+1

For me, when Oswego is in the NCAA's I want to see them play a team I have never seen play (like Bowdoin last year) just so I can get to see a few new teams play. As far as playing tough teams early on, sure it makes for a little easier path if you play a so called lesser team but it doesn't matter who you play, if you win three or four games you are the champion. Oswego's National Championship run went through Norwich, St. Norbert and Middlebury so if you are ready to win you can beat anyone.
 
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NUProf said:
Crying about matchups is the cry of the pessimist - if you are worried that somebody will beat you, and don't think it is fair that you have to play them so early, then you are saying loud and clear, "we can't win this unless somebody beats Norwich or Plattsburgh, or whoever for us." The only real fairness issue is that the higher seed should have home ice. That's what you earn with your reg season performance. You can't say we lost the championship because we had to play Utica, or whoever. If you lose, it doesn't matter if you lose in the first round, or the quarters, or the semis or the finals - the result is the same you are not the champion.
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So now we are at the point where an Oswego poster cannot even make a comment on this board without you chiming in. From thread to thread you follow the Oswego posters around and remind us that on occasion, we do complain (most recently before today was yesterday, in the Platty thread). We get it, some of us go overboard and you do not like it. But now its gotten to the point where any Oswego fan with the exception of Prez cannot even remotely question anything about the program or state an opinion without your commentary.

For the record, I do hope Oswego plays Norwich in the first round. I'd love for the game to be at Norwich (which I know will not happen) and after Oswego mops the ice with the Cadets I will enjoy watching the "real" Norwich fans bash the "other" Norwich fans for not cheering loud enough, or leaving before games end. Heck, someone might even take a shot at the goalie or question the line combinations. Oh, that's right, that would never happen within the Norwich fan base, they are too good for that.:rolleyes:

See pages 27 & 28 of the Norwich thread, it happens everywhere. It may not be as bad as "Fire Gosek", but its similar to what Oz fans most recently have been saying.
 
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93GreatLaker said:
So now we are at the point where an Oswego poster cannot even make a comment on this board without you chiming in. From thread to thread you follow the Oswego posters around and remind us that on occasion, we do complain (most recently before today was yesterday, in the Platty thread). We get it, some of us go overboard and you do not like it. But now its gotten to the point where any Oswego fan with the exception of Prez cannot even remotely question anything about the program or state an opinion without your commentary.

For the record, I do hope Oswego plays Norwich in the first round. I'd love for the game to be at Norwich (which I know will not happen) and after Oswego mops the ice with the Cadets I will enjoy watching the "real" Norwich fans bash the "other" Norwich fans for not cheering loud enough, or leaving before games end. Heck, someone might even take a shot at the goalie or question the line combinations. Oh, that's right, that would never happen within the Norwich fan base, they are too good for that.:rolleyes:

See pages 27 & 28 of the Norwich thread, it happens everywhere. It may not be as bad as "Fire Gosek", but its similar to what Oz fans most recently have been saying.
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Your skin must be really thin, because this is the tournament speculation thread, and most of my comment was directed towards a Castleton fan who was complaining about Castleton's status. I think any fan who complains that his team got jobbed because of seeding is wrong. It was apparently an Oswego fan who made a comment about it - really, I didn't notice. I think that once a team gets into the tournament, except for home ice issues in the early rounds, seeding is a false issue. That was the point I was trying to make - it wasn't to bash an Oswego poster, whoever it was. The point is once you are in your job is to keep winning. If there is somebody who beats you, you aren't the champ. You didn't get robbed because you had to play them in the first round or quarters UNLESS you had to play a less successful team in their barn. That would be unfair. Beyond that it should not matter, except that it makes the tournament more dramatic if the top teams are separated so that their matchups are set for later in the tournament. If you knock off a big fish early, then the team that are left are easier to beat.
 
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NUProf said:
Your skin must be really thin, because this is the tournament speculation thread, and most of my comment was directed towards a Castleton fan who was complaining about Castleton's status. I think any fan who complains that his team got jobbed because of seeding is wrong. It was apparently an Oswego fan who made a comment about it - really, I didn't notice. I think that once a team gets into the tournament, except for home ice issues in the early rounds, seeding is a false issue. That was the point I was trying to make - it wasn't to bash an Oswego poster, whoever it was. The point is once you are in your job is to keep winning. If there is somebody who beats you, you aren't the champ. You didn't get robbed because you had to play them in the first round or quarters UNLESS you had to play a less successful team in their barn. That would be unfair. Beyond that it should not matter, except that it makes the tournament more dramatic if the top teams are separated so that their matchups are set for later in the tournament. If you knock off a big fish early, then the team that are left are easier to beat.
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My apologies if this last particular jibe was not directed at Oz, but over the last week or so you have commented numerous times in regards to the "sky is falling" Oswego fans. Maybe the skin is too thin, but lately it seems no matter what thread I read, you are there with a dig. Its just getting old, that's all.
 
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93GreatLaker said:
My apologies if this last particular jibe was not directed at Oz, but over the last week or so you have commented numerous times in regards to the "sky is falling" Oswego fans. Maybe the skin is too thin, but lately it seems no matter what thread I read, you are there with a dig. Its just getting old, that's all.
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I agree ,you can't even give a team an"atta boy" for doing a good job without everyone taking jabs! Anyway good job Castleton if you make it you make it but it doesn't take away from a great turn around and NUProf nowhere did I ever say they deserved a bid, but they do deserve a little credit and as 1 poster said yes they beat the teams they were suppose to, all I iwll say is there are some teams that DID NOT BEAT the teams they were suppose to
 
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93GreatLaker said:
My apologies if this last particular jibe was not directed at Oz, but over the last week or so you have commented numerous times in regards to the "sky is falling" Oswego fans. Maybe the skin is too thin, but lately it seems no matter what thread I read, you are there with a dig. Its just getting old, that's all.
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It's not just Oswego. Sky is falling fans of all teams are annoying. I've also taken askance at Platts fans who are basing their goalie - who I wouldn't have minded seeing in the Maroon and Gold - negativity when you are successful is just something that I think is just plain unreasonable. When a team is successful, you shouldn't be picking it apart - and aside from an inexplicable run of poor results in the SUNYAC, PSU has been successful and has gotten good goal tending. I think fans should celebrate the good, especially at the D3 level.
 
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What's the point of even seeding the west? Because of the 1st round 500 mile rule, Adrian and SNC will continue to meet in the first round.

Basically, if Adrian is awarded a NCAA birth either from Pool A or Pool C, and the committee wants to keep them in the western region, they can be scheduled to play LFC, MSOE, Concordia Wi, Lawrence, Marian, SNC, or possibly Point. That's it.

My opinion is that this season the west really doesn't deserve a Pool C. Adrian vs. Hamline with the winner facing SNC makes the most sense to me. However, since the semis are in Minnesota this season I'm sure the west will indeed be awarded a Pool C to play the MIAC champ while Adrian travels to SNC (even though they are seeded 1 and 2 in the region).

To be honest, I think the most deserving western team of a Pool C is MSOE.
 
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altazo said:
What's the point of even seeding the west? Because of the 1st round 500 mile rule, Adrian and SNC will continue to meet in the first round.
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I look forward to seeing what they do with it the first time Adrian makes the dance and St. Norbert stays at home. Will that be when we finally see the Adrian @ Elmira first-rounder?
 
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If the West doesn't get a Pool C, we could see Hamline and Oswego as a QF, and Adrian and Elmira as a QF. Adrian wins and we've got 2 West teams at Ridder.

No flights until the Frozen Four that way, and with the two week break, they might mandate wagon train rides instead of flights because they'll have plenty time to get there :D
 
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CARDS_rule_the_Burgh said:
I look forward to seeing what they do with it the first time Adrian makes the dance and St. Norbert stays at home. Will that be when we finally see the Adrian @ Elmira first-rounder?
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Exactly.

It almost makes sense this year. Western Pool C to face Hamline (or the MIAC champ) with the winner facing SNC.

What Eastern region teams are within 500 mile of Adrian? I know Elmira is. Oswego? Hobart?
 
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altazo said:
Exactly.

It almost makes sense this year. Western Pool C to face Hamline (or the MIAC champ) with the winner facing SNC.

What Eastern region teams are within 500 mile of Adrian? I know Elmira is. Oswego? Hobart?
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Those three are probably it.
 
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Geneseo, Buffalo State and Fredonia. Although I am doubting Adrian would have to travel to one of them if they make the dance.
 
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Ah, but no doubt the NCAA has rules against teams having to travel through Canada to get to their first round game... :rolleyes:
 
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MSOE takes the MCHA AQ, thus no need to apply the 500 mile rule? :)
 
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