The definitive tournament speculation thread

[NUProf]

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That said, since I can't think of anything that the NCAA Division III committees have done to positively advance the sport. If their job is to continue with blatant unsportsmanship, such as awarding Plattsburgh a bye and having St. Norbert participate in a play-in, because their rules allow for geographic proximity to trump performance, then they are want-to-be leaders or too corrupt to do the right thing.

Norm - if you look elsewhere on the board, you will find credible reports that the committee first proposed sending Adrian to Elmira, and the NCAA told the committee that they couldn't do that. (There is a post by the MIAC correspondent reporting that). The committee then had to choose between giving a bye to SNC or to Oswego.

 

[norm1909]

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Norm - if you look elsewhere on the board, you will find credible reports that the committee first proposed sending Adrian to Elmira, and the NCAA told the committee that they couldn't do that. (There is a post by the MIAC correspondent reporting that). The committee then had to choose between giving a bye to SNC or to Oswego.

I would have submitted my resignation before being a puppet for anyone. (and have).

 

[norm1909]

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Is it totally ridiculous and unnecessary given the performances by the regions this year in conjunction with pre-existing (and well-known) NCAA restrictions? Absolutely not....

So just because something is well known and pre-existing, it isn't totally ridiculous and unnecessary

IMO, there is a pre-existing and well known fact, that jumping off a cliff without the proper means to land safely, is totally ridiculous and unnecessary.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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So just because something is well known and pre-existing, it isn't totally ridiculous and unnecessary

IMO, there is a pre-existing and well known fact, that jumping off a cliff without the proper means to land safely, is totally ridiculous and unnecessary.

I did not say the restrictions that were well-known were not ridiculous and unnecessary. I would agree that they are. However, I was stating that GIVEN those restrictions, he end result was not entirely ridiculous.

 

[93GreatLaker]

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So just because something is well known and pre-existing, it isn't totally ridiculous and unnecessary

IMO, there is a pre-existing and well known fact, that jumping off a cliff without the proper means to land safely, is totally ridiculous and unnecessary.

Is Keith Olberman secretly a DIII hockey fan? I thought this rant would stop after you compared Bruce to the likes of Hitler and Bin Laden but you just keep beating the heck out of this horse. HE'S ********** DEAD ALREADY!

 

[norm1909]

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Is Keith Olberman secretly a DIII hockey fan? I thought this rant would stop after you compared Bruce to the likes of Hitler and Bin Laden but you just keep beating the heck out of this horse. HE'S ********** DEAD ALREADY!

The comparison was to leaders who had both blind followers, and those who chose to do the right thing, regardless of the consequences.

Also, I'm not beating the dead horse, I'm giving it CPR.

 

[93GreatLaker]

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The comparison was to leaders who had both blind followers, and those who chose to do the right thing, regardless of the consequences.

So if we choose to follow Bruce, the world as we know it might end? Wow...that's deep. And I thought we were discussing college hockey here

 

[norm1909]

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So if we choose to follow Bruce, the world as we know it might end? Wow...that's deep. And I thought we were discussing college hockey here

No, follow Bruce and the DIII hockey world as we know it - will continue.

 

[norm1909]

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I did not say the restrictions that were well-known were not ridiculous and unnecessary. I would agree that they are. However, I was stating that GIVEN those restrictions, the end result was not entirely ridiculous.

I would agree, given the ridiculous and unnecessary rules, the end result was quite predictable, but nevertheless - "causing or worthy of ridicule or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable".

 

[Matthew Webb]

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Is Keith Olberman secretly a DIII hockey fan?

No, he's too busy raping cats to pay any attention to us.

 

[jerrynu26]

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Blanket? Note my comment referred to those who "rule", those who lead are responsible for those below them. I firmly believe that MOST of the NCAA committee members and the vast majority of the coaches out there are sincere and do what they do out of a love of the sport. That said, since I can't think of anything that the NCAA Division III committees have done to positively advance the sport. If their job is to continue with blatant unsportsmanship, such as awarding Plattsburgh a bye and having St. Norbert participate in a play-in, because their rules allow for geographic proximity to trump performance, then they are want-to-be leaders or too corrupt to do the right thing. If they are otherwise competent but to busy with their day job to handle the needs of their position, they need to step down, as competency includes knowing ones limits.

So we are back to your blanket statement about the membership again. Your blind obsession with anything to do with Bruce Delventhal is making you, well, blind.
Now you are ignoring any evidence that contradicts your belief. You should resign from the forum...

 

[norm1909]

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So we are back to your blanket statement about the membership again. Your blind obsession with anything to do with Bruce Delventhal is making you, well, blind.
Now you are ignoring any evidence that contradicts your belief. You should resign from the forum...

In your haste to babble, you forgot to list anything positive that has came out of the committee since Bruce took the helm. I do issue a blanket assessment, that the committee has been unable to produce anything positive, I can not be sure that it is solely Bruce's fault, but if it is not, he needs to accept he has done his best and step down, his staying at the helm, is his fault.

Geographic Proximity has a place in hockey, in is used to determine off-sides and crease calls for example. Often times, an off-sides might be incidental and not intentional, but it must be called, like wise, if the spirit of the game is to allocate bye’s based on performance, creating an exception due to a relatively insignificant financial hurdle is wrong. The losses to Geneseo and Buffalo State because they inadvertently created a situation contrary to the spirit of the sport exceeds the cost of flights for decades, but nevertheless were imposed. St Norbert clearly and objectively deserved the bye, the committee refused to do the right thing. If someone else tied their hands, they at a minimum, owe it to their constituents to identify those who “tied their hands”, regardless of the consequences.

 

[The Real Georgia Peach]

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I've changed my mind....Elmira does deserve to be in over Manhattanville....based on the criteria. . However, SNC should have gotten a bye. Can we get to 1,000 replies to this thread by noon?

 

[Irishdave]

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..... Can we get to 1,000 replies to this thread by noon?

Eastern or Central time?

 

[jerrynu26]

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In your haste to babble, you forgot to list anything positive that has came out of the committee since Bruce took the helm. I do issue a blanket assessment, that the committee has been unable to produce anything positive, I can not be sure that it is solely Bruce's fault, but if it is not, he needs to accept he has done his best and step down, his staying at the helm, is his fault.

Geographic Proximity has a place in hockey, in is used to determine off-sides and crease calls for example. Often times, an off-sides might be incidental and not intentional, but it must be called, like wise, if the spirit of the game is to allocate bye’s based on performance, creating an exception due to a relatively insignificant financial hurdle is wrong. The losses to Geneseo and Buffalo State because they inadvertently created a situation contrary to the spirit of the sport exceeds the cost of flights for decades, but nevertheless were imposed. St Norbert clearly and objectively deserved the bye, the committee refused to do the right thing. If someone else tied their hands, they at a minimum, owe it to their constituents to identify those who “tied their hands”, regardless of the consequences.

As you, in your haste to spew, ignore evidence that the committee(s) attempted to send Adrian to the east, and was turned down. The unfortunate side effect of that was the loss of a bye. If you don't like the lack of a travle budget, understand your problem is with the NCAA member instituitions, not the ice hockey committee. It is the membership that needs to allocate the money.

Apparently you are of the opinion that if you don't like the process, you should quit, rather than attempt to make change from within. You aren;t changing me, so maybe you oughta just quit.

 

[joeyc3402]

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That makes no sense whatsoever, but hey, it's the NCAA. Must be that flights from DTW to SYR cost more than flights from DTW to MSP, because that the only travel difference I see for potential extra flights, unless of course Adrian won twice, and then there would be a third flight from DTW to ALB or BTV.

Would they fly to MSP, or to MKE?

 

[norm1909]

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As you, in your haste to spew, ignore evidence that the committee(s) attempted to send Adrian to the east, and was turned down. The unfortunate side effect of that was the loss of a bye. If you don't like the lack of a travle budget, understand your problem is with the NCAA member instituitions, not the ice hockey committee. It is the membership that needs to allocate the money.

Apparently you are of the opinion that if you don't like the process, you should quit, rather than attempt to make change from within. You aren;t changing me, so maybe you oughta just quit.

Simply provide credible evidence - from the committee - not hearsay - that the committee(s) made a serious attempt to send Adrian to the east - and you WILL change me.

 

[Ozz]

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From what I've heard, the committee was open to sending adrian to elmira. The NCAA, however, was not.

Considering that sending adrian to SNC or to Elmira has the same # of guaranteed flights and the same # of potential flights, I'm somewhat perplexed why the NCAA wouldn't consider it.

Is this true though? The current bracket, which sends Adrian to SNC, guarantees at most 2 flights. Should Adrian beat SNC, they would need to fly to the Quarterfinal game. The winner of that Quarterfinal game would then fly to Lake Placid.

If the committee sent Adrian to Elmira, it could have had a potential for 3 flights. If Adrian were to have beaten Elmira, they would have had to fly to their Quarterfinal game, against Oswego? Should they have won that game, they would also have to fly to Lake Placid. The third flight would then come from the winner of the SNC vs. ST/GUS Quarterfinal having to fly to Lake Placid.

Is my thinking right?

 

[NorthernLite]

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Is this true though? The current bracket, which sends Adrian to SNC, guarantees at most 2 flights. Should Adrian beat SNC, they would need to fly to the Quarterfinal game. The winner of that Quarterfinal game would then fly to Lake Placid.

If the committee sent Adrian to Elmira, it could have had a potential for 3 flights. If Adrian were to have beaten Elmira, they would have had to fly to their Quarterfinal game, against Oswego? Should they have won that game, they would also have to fly to Lake Placid. The third flight would then come from the winner of the SNC vs. ST/GUS Quarterfinal having to fly to Lake Placid.

Is my thinking right?

I think you're right...they $ saved on the flight ...the added bonus was one West Region team in the final four.

 

[AllAmerican7]

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I'd be curious to know what the NCAA's travel plans are for Adrian should they win tonight vs SNC. I would expect them to stay the night in Wisconsin before busing back home. At best, they get home at 4pm on Thursday. Then get a practice in, get dinner, a nights sleep and then catch a flight Friday morning to Minneapolis?