The definitive tournament speculation thread

[Stormy8174]

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I bet Manhattanville jumps ship as soon as possible.

take a jump to the ECAC Northeast

 

[cardinal country native]

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Yeah and I presented a huge day of sales for you. Small world man.......haha

Drop me line...Maybe we can do lunch??? OKAY, NOW BACK TO HOCKEY
PAIGER!!!

 

[DH003325]

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So the committee should have ****'d gustavus adolphus because elmira can't win at the end of the season? Sure, that is soooo much fairer.

No, I'm not saying GAC should have been dropped. I'm saying Manhattanville deserved to be dropped LESS.

 

[NUProf]

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SNC should have gotten a bye. Period. There were ways to protect the top seeds in each region. The easiest would have been to send Adrian east, but based on the rulebook, that was not possible.

Just curious, what in the rules prevents shifting a team from West to East. As I read the rule, geographic proximity trumps all, and Adrian at Elmira would preserve geographic proximity (AKA the 500 mile rule)

Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pool C teams are selected, the following
guidelines should be followed:
• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographical
proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographical proximity. A team may
be moved to numerically balance the bracket if geographical proximity is maintained.
Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographical
proximity (within 500 miles).
• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However,
geographical proximity takes precedence over seeding.
• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as
long as geographical proximity is maintained.
• The highest seeded team that meets all selection criteria will be selected as the host
institution, provided geographical proximity is maintained.

In particular, the red phrase would seem to apply here.

 

[bigmrg74]

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Also, if the NCAA committee is trying to justify this based on travel expenses, Adrian's only about 100 more miles from Elmira than SNC. GRRRRRRRRR

According to Google Maps, its 441 miles from AC to SNC, and its 459 from AC to Elmira College. If you were right about being another hundred miles for Adrian, you might have been on to something there. The NCAA has to pay for travel for all postseason play, and anything over 500 miles they have to pay to fly the teams there.

 

[DH003325]

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Maybe we all should get on the committee. They apparently are smoking/drinking some good s**t.

 

[Saints17]

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Drop me line...Maybe we can do lunch??? OKAY, NOW BACK TO HOCKEY
PAIGER!!!

I just did.....I am laughing after you chirped me.......

 

[MW4Bucky&SNC]

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So for the sake of argument let's say St. Norbert should have gotten a bye?
So who from the East should not have? Norwich? Oswego? Middlebury? P-Burgh?
Someone was going to get the short end of the stick here .
Sorry!

Norwich and Oswego deserve a bye every bit as much SNC. Nobody else does.

The open invitation for an *** kicking still stands, but I said my piece and I'm done getting worked up. Those of us who said anything should actually be ashamed of ourselves. As the old saying goes...fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Any of us surprised by something this ridiculous handed to us by the NCAA apparently hasn't been paying attention. They have least integrity of any organization on this planet. They say it's all about travel, but it's always been about screwing the people they want to screw. Keeping travel in mind I'll be sure to pay an arm and a leg scalping some tickets for the D1 hoops regional in Milwaukee this year so I can stand in the concourse and watch Wisconsin as they play in Spokane.

For those who are comforted by the written word, I'll leave this thread with something I find totally applicable. "If rape is inevitable, you might as well sit back and enjoy it." - Robert Montgomery Knight

 

[DH003325]

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Remember this is the NCAA. Anyone remember the last time the NCAA did anything that made sense?

 

[jconnor]

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M'ville deserved to go...Elmira should be kissing the NCAA's _____

And some of us are just as baffled as the next guy.

 

[Chris Lerch]

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Just curious, what in the rules prevents shifting a team from West to East. As I read the rule, geographic proximity trumps all, and Adrian at Elmira would preserve geographic proximity (AKA the 500 mile rule)



In particular, the red phrase would seem to apply here.

I agree, although for the past several years it has been interpreted to mean "in region". I think Midd going to St. Nobert was the last time a team crossed regions before the semifinals? That was something like 7-8 years ago, if I remember.

 

[one_to7]

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No, I'm not saying GAC should have been dropped. I'm saying Manhattanville deserved to be dropped LESS.

Gustavus was the #2 seed in the west, m'ville would be what, the 8th team in the east.

The numbers are close, but I think the advantage in record over ranked teams and strength of schedule would be enough for gustavus to get in over manhattanville anyway.

Against elmira, gustavus is basically even in oop, wins win% handily, wins ranked record handily, and loses owp. I think they still take gustavus over elmira head to head, especially if it goes to secondary criteria.

So how does making it an 8-3 split to accomodate elmira and manhattanville make things more fair?

 

[Old Rook NU'66]

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All I ever hear about the NCAA selection process is that cost and distance of travel may have as much to do with actual selection than a team's skill or record.

So with the NCAA's avowed concern for the cost of travel, why didn't they tell Manhattanville not to bother traveling four hours to Elmira to play for the ECAC-W title if they were not even a candidate for post season play? Nice job Manhattanville but EC gets to go to the prom.

I just hope Manhattanville has the stones to invoice the NCAA for the cost of the bus ride to Elmira and box lunches. That would be really cool

 

[NUProf]

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I agree, although for the past several years it has been interpreted to mean "in region". I think Midd going to St. Nobert was the last time a team crossed regions before the semifinals? That was something like 7-8 years ago, if I remember.

Longer ago than that - it was 1999, I think. We all rooted for Midd to beat SNC, because it guaranteed that the FF would be at Krietzberg for the first time.

 

[jconnor]

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...And how does Elmira get to Host their play-in game??? This is just plain nuts.

Not knowing Curry, but could it have something to do with $$$$$$$ Not that the NCAA would look at things that way

 

[DH003325]

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Gustavus was the #2 seed in the west, m'ville would be what, the 8th team in the east.

The numbers are close, but I think the advantage in record over ranked teams and strength of schedule would be enough for gustavus to get in over manhattanville anyway.

Against elmira, gustavus is basically even in oop, wins win% handily, wins ranked record handily, and loses owp. I think they still take gustavus over elmira head to head, especially if it goes to secondary criteria.

So how does making it an 8-3 split to accomodate elmira and manhattanville make things more fair?

I'm only saying that because M'ville won the conference tournament, and that if they're gonna take EC, they should take both of us. In reality, the team that should be dropped is, even though I'm an EC fan, is us.

 

[NUProf]

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So how does making it an 8-3 split to accomodate elmira and manhattanville make things more fair?

Gives SNC a bye.

Actually a 6-5 split could have given SNC, Norwich, and Oswego all byes.

Check it out

 

[NUProf]

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Not knowing Curry, but could it have something to do with $$$$$$$ Not that the NCAA would look at things that way

Did Curry put in a proposal to host a first round game? We've seen teams hosed that way before.

 

[Dyce]

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Longer ago than that - it was 1999, I think. We all rooted for Midd to beat SNC, because it guaranteed that the FF would be at Krietzberg for the first time.

Yep, that's the year. Middlebury won in Wisconsin and went on to take their fifth straight title. It also meant they celebrated national championships at Stafford and Kreitzberg in consecutive years.

 

[one_to7]

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Gives SNC a bye.

Actually a 6-5 split could have given SNC, Norwich, and Oswego all byes.

Check it out

I have.

And a 7-4 split with adrian to oswego for a quarterfinal, UST @ gustavus for a play in, curry @ elmira for a play in, and plattsburgh vs. bowdoin somewhere for another play in, would be the fairest scenario of all, in my opinion.