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The definitive tournament speculation thread

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Matthew Webb said:
I wonder if the NCAA will wiggle at all (if say Elmira isn't in) on the 500 mile rule when it comes to Adrian. The geography of a team in southeastern Michigan is something that didn't exist when that guideline was written. As it was there were two distinctive regions but Adrian's location starts to blur the East-West line and could conceivably render that guideline as obsolete and archaic.

Of course, it's the type of situation a little foresight and common sense can easily deal with, which is precisely why I'm sure the beancounters aren't even aware of the hangups inconveniences (relative to their paleozoic era rules) expansion into a state like Michigan might cause.

All that said, keep an eye on Marian...
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I think, as with most NCAA rules that don't make sense, these are not rules built for hockey, but more likely built for Basketball and Football, and since you only need one set of rules, apply these rules to all DIII sports whether it makes sense or not.
 
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Actually, NLite's idea would kind of work, although Oswego/Elmira fans wouldn't like it. Adrian plays Elmira at Fredonia, and if Adrian wins, they play the quarterfinals at Fredonia, too. If Oswego wins then Elmira goes to Oswego.

Geographic proximity preserved, but since Fredonia won't put in a bid for that, it won't happen.
 
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Matthew Webb said:
I wonder if the NCAA will wiggle at all (if say Elmira isn't in) on the 500 mile rule when it comes to Adrian. The geography of a team in southeastern Michigan is something that didn't exist when that guideline was written. As it was there were two distinctive regions but Adrian's location starts to blur the East-West line and could conceivably render that guideline as obsolete and archaic.

Of course, it's the type of situation a little foresight and common sense can easily deal with, which is precisely why I'm sure the beancounters aren't even aware of the inconveniences (relative to their paleozoic era rules) expansion into a state like Michigan might cause.

All that said, keep an eye on Marian...
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Which leads me to this....

Pairings and Site Selection
Once automatic qualifiers are identified and the Pools B and C teams are selected, the following guidelines should be followed:

• Once selected, teams will be grouped in clusters according to natural geographic proximity. Teams will then be paired according to geographic proximity. A team may be moved to numerically balance the bracket, if geographic proximity is maintained. Teams should be paired and eligible sites should be selected according to geographic proximity (within 500 miles).

• Teams may be seeded on a regional basis using the regional selection criteria. However, geographic proximity takes precedence over seeding.

• Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round, as long as geographic proximity is maintained.

• The highest-seeded team that meets all site selection criteria will be selected as the host institution, provided geographic proximity is maintained.
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Another possible scenario...

Play-ins
Adrian @ Elmira
CSS@GAC
Wentworth @ Bowdoin

NCAA Quarters
CSS/GAC winner @ SNC
Wentworth Bowdoin winner @ Norwich
Plattsburgh @ Middlebury

and...

Elmira @ Oswego

or

Adrian vs. Oswego.......@ Elmira (or any other campus ice arena within the 500 mile radius.)

Let the scheming begin.....
 
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NUProf said:
Actually, NLite's idea would kind of work, although Oswego/Elmira fans wouldn't like it. Adrian plays Elmira at Fredonia, and if Adrian wins, they play the quarterfinals at Fredonia, too. If Oswego wins then Elmira goes to Oswego.

Geographic proximity preserved, but since Fredonia won't put in a bid for that, it won't happen.
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There would be no need to play at Fredonia. Elmira is perfectly suitable as they fall within the 500 miles. (499);)

And in my previous post, I think we found the NCAA's loophole.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
There would be no need to play at Fredonia. Elmira is perfectly suitable as they fall within the 500 miles. (499);)

And in my previous post, I think we found the NCAA's loophole.
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According to Caveman's map it is only 492 mi from Adrian to Oswego, Let Oswego Host Adrian Vs. Elmira
 
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Irishdave said:
According to Caveman's map it is only 492 mi from Adrian to Oswego, Let Oswego Host Adrian Vs. Elmira
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The NCAA map says it's more. This is what somebody said, which is why Adrian vs. Oswego was in question. I say send Adrian to Elmira and worry about Adrian vs. Oswego only if Adrian wins, which is 40-60 at best. Of course, if Elmira doesn't get Pool B, then what?
 
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Irishdave said:
According to Caveman's map it is only 492 mi from Adrian to Oswego, Let Oswego Host Adrian Vs. Elmira
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From here. (page 6 of 20)

The NCAA uses a mileage calculator to confirm distances from campus to campus. It can be accessed online https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/TES/exec/miles.
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Some results:

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: BROCKPORT, SUNY
Miles: 396.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: OSWEGO, ST UNIV OF NEW YORK
Miles: 519.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: ELMIRA COLLEGE
Miles: 499.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: MORRISVILLE
Miles: 512.0

From: FREDONIA, ST UNIV COLL AT
To: PLATTSBURGH STATE
Miles: 453.0
 
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norm1909 said:
From here. (page 6 of 20)



Some results:

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: BROCKPORT, SUNY
Miles: 396.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: OSWEGO, ST UNIV OF NEW YORK
Miles: 519.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: ELMIRA COLLEGE
Miles: 499.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: MORRISVILLE
Miles: 512.0
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I have no idea how they derive these results. I've driven Oswego to Brockport about 5 times and it's under 100 miles, unless they only use interstates. Their formula definitely seems a bit off.
 
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norm1909 said:
From here. (page 6 of 20)



Some results:

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: BROCKPORT, SUNY
Miles: 396.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: OSWEGO, ST UNIV OF NEW YORK
Miles: 519.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: ELMIRA COLLEGE
Miles: 499.0

Results
From: ADRIAN COLLEGE
To: MORRISVILLE
Miles: 512.0

From: FREDONIA, ST UNIV COLL AT
To: PLATTSBURGH STATE
Miles: 453.0
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Airport to airport is
From: Toledo Express
To: Syracuse Hancock International
Miles: 456.0 :D
Never can tell what The NCAA will do
 
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Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
 
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Matt Rennell said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
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Same response as I gave in the other thread

6.5*11 = 71.5 we went to 11 teams last year when there were only 71 teams (before UNE joined), so I'm assuming they will "give us" the extra half a team. That thought crossed my mind, too.
 
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norm1909 said:
From: FREDONIA, ST UNIV COLL AT
To: PLATTSBURGH STATE
Miles: 453.0
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According to the official mileage chart in the SUNYAC Handbook, the distance is 495 miles.

They must use Interstate measurements (down I-87 then across I-90)
 
Re: The definitive tournament speculation thread

Matt Rennell said:
Not to rain on anyone's parade. But this just occurred to me.

With LVC dropping their hockey program, this lowers the total number of D-III hockey teams to 71.

As we know, the ratio the NCAA uses to determine tournament size for D-III is 6.5:1.

71/6.5 = A 10 team NCAA Tournament.

Let's just hope no one in Indianapolis notices.
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Better edit that post. Just to be on the safe side.
 
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Lets get really speculative.Does anyone see a darkhorse like Neumann getting in and running the table in the 2010 tournament?
 
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valliant defender said:
Lets get really speculative.Does anyone see a darkhorse like Neumann getting in and running the table in the 2010 tournament?
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How about... Neumann? If the Knights can win the ECAC-West again, they could once again get the Pool B bid and make another run. Other bubble teams that could make a run or get left out entirely... I could see Bowdoin and Hamline as examples.
 
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