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Handyman said:
Solid career? You are being sarcastic right?
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A little - I am an unabashed fanboy of Julia Roberts, so I love both of the movies he did with her. She is the closest thing I ever had to a celebrity crush. We all have our guilty pleasures. :)

EDIT: I misunderstood, I see that you're a fan of Marshall and you think I've undersold him. Well, I agree with Brent below. He never directed anything on the order of The Godfather, fer Chrissakes.
 
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Wow you guys need to study more...

From wiki:

" In 1961 he moved to Hollywood, where he teamed up with Jerry Belson as a writer for television. The pair worked on The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Joey Bishop Show, The Danny Thomas Show, and The Lucy Show. Their first television series as creator/producers was Hey, Landlord, which lasted one season (1966–67). They then adapted Neil Simon's play The Odd Couple for television. On his own, Marshall created Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, starring his sister Penny, and Mork & Mindy, which were produced by his associates Thomas L. Miller, Robert L. Boyett, and Edward K. Milkis.[11] "

The guy wrote on two of the best sitcoms of all time (DVD and Lucy) and created friggin Happy Days and the better spinoffs. That alone puts him above "solid" :rolleyes:
 
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Yeah, I know. As an I Love Lucy fan (I make no apologies for that, Kep), The Lucy Show was overrated and not all that funny. The Odd Couple was a decent show, and probably worthy of his greatest recognition because it was a sitcom about two men living together (unheard of at the time, because homo-suspicion - so it was groundbreaking). The first few of seasons of Happy Days were alright, and then this meme-making legend happened...

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Ruined!

I'll give him L&S. Mork & Mindy was meh, despite hot MI native Pam Dawber. :)
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Yeah, I know. As an I Love Lucy fan (I make no apologies for that, Kep), The Lucy Show was overrated and not all that funny. The Odd Couple was a decent show, and probably worthy of his greatest recognition because it was a sitcom about two men living together (unheard of at the time, because homo-suspicion - so it was groundbreaking).
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No harm no foul on Lucy. Ball was a great comedienne. I hate that show but typically comedies age quickly. (This is why Jack Benny is so brilliant. It's still funny.)

In my opinion, there was not a whiff of homosexuality about the Odd Couple as far as the relationship between Felix and Oscar. Felix seems gay in retrospect, but partly that's because gay affect grew to ape the "gentle sophisticate" that Tony Randall was so good at portraying.
 
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Handyman said:
Wow you guys need to study more...

From wiki:

" In 1961 he moved to Hollywood, where he teamed up with Jerry Belson as a writer for television. The pair worked on The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Joey Bishop Show, The Danny Thomas Show, and The Lucy Show. Their first television series as creator/producers was Hey, Landlord, which lasted one season (1966–67). They then adapted Neil Simon's play The Odd Couple for television. On his own, Marshall created Happy Days, Laverne and Shirley, starring his sister Penny, and Mork & Mindy, which were produced by his associates Thomas L. Miller, Robert L. Boyett, and Edward K. Milkis.[11] "

The guy wrote on two of the best sitcoms of all time (DVD and Lucy) and created friggin Happy Days and the better spinoffs. That alone puts him above "solid" :rolleyes:
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Just because they were popular doesn't mean they were good. ;)

I dug Happy Days, wasn't into the others, although they were a bit before my time as a television watcher, and therefore maybe something was lost along the way as for society or pop culture. Definitely known shows, maybe iconic in a cheesy way for the most part, but either way, he was far from a failure and we should recognize that.
 
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The Odd Couple wasnt groundbreaking because of the two guys living together, it was groundbreaking because no one thought they could adapt Simon's play to a sitcom. Simon ended up loving it and I think wrote a script.

And yeah, the Jump the Shark moment is bad, but Happy Days is iconic in ways no sitcom today could match.

And Brent, I dont think you, after your hissy fit about "true hockey fans knowing the great moments" on GPL can use the "before my time" excuse ;)
 
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The guy did pretty darn well as far as TV goes. Between him and Norman Lear (who's going to be 94 next week, BTW), they pretty well wrote half of the 70's TV, al least most of what people remember.
 
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Handyman said:
The Odd Couple wasnt groundbreaking because of the two guys living together, it was groundbreaking because no one thought they could adapt Simon's play to a sitcom. Simon ended up loving it and I think wrote a script.

And yeah, the Jump the Shark moment is bad, but Happy Days is iconic in ways no sitcom today could match.

And Brent, I dont think you, after your hissy fit about "true hockey fans knowing the great moments" on GPL can use the "before my time" excuse ;)
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Sports transcends. There were things (like you mentioned, two guys living together) that are normal now, but frowned upon before. I'm generally not a tv show guy, so that is lost on me. :o
 
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Hammer said:
The guy did pretty darn well as far as TV goes. Between him and Norman Lear (who's going to be 94 next week, BTW), they pretty well wrote half of the 70's TV, al least most of what people remember.
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Yeah but he didnt make the Godfather so he only rates as solid ;)
 
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Brenthoven said:
Sports transcends. There were things (like you mentioned, two guys living together) that are normal now, but frowned upon before. I'm generally not a tv show guy, so that is lost on me. :o
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Sorry that dog wont hunt...know the history Brent that is what you said. (we all warned you this would come back to haunt you :D )
 
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Handyman said:
Sorry that dog wont hunt...know the history Brent that is what you said. (we all warned you this would come back to haunt you :D )
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IF I were a TV guy, I'd be lauding his stuff. I fully admit that. Those in the whole Summit Series admonishment, I'd be on the flipside in this tv debate. If I were a tv fan, I should be ridiculed.
 
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Scarlet said:
He was one of the most prolific TV producers in history. He absolutely was great.
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Probably one of the best bottom line guys for Hollywood TV. It may have been swill, but swill sells ad space. TV is about getting eyes in front of ads. In that regard few have been better.
 
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Kepler said:
Probably one of the best bottom line guys for Hollywood TV. It may have been swill, but swill sells ad space. TV is about getting eyes in front of ads. In that regard few have been better.
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I'm not sure I'd call an unknown Robin Williams riffing on M&M swill. It was comedic genius letting him ad-lib most of his scenes, especially after Jonathan Winters was added to the cast. I'm not sure how the lovely Miss Dawber managed to keep a straight face. The out-takes alone could have won an Emmy
 
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And was Happy Days really swill compared with say 2 Broke Girls and the like?
 
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SteveP said:
I'm not sure I'd call an unknown Robin Williams riffing on M&M swill. It was comedic genius letting him ad-lib most of his scenes, especially after Jonathan Winters was added to the cast. I'm not sure how the lovely Miss Dawber managed to keep a straight face. The out-takes alone could have won an Emmy
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I think the first season of M&M was great. I was more thinking of Happy Days.

IINM Marshall gave Winters a job late in the show's run when nobody else would because of his substance abuse and mental health history. He may have literally saved his life -- and talk about comic genius.

Also in that show: the brilliant Tom Poston.

I always assumed Orson was Orson Welles. It wasn't.
 
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