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The College Hockey Championship Belt Part IV

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Monday update
Code: 
                   <u>Current Holder</u>         <u>Next Defense</u>[b]
The Belt           Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020[/b]
The Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
The Belt Alt SO    Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
AHC Belt           American International Sacred Heart 02/11/2020
B1G Belt           Notre Dame             Minnesota 02/14/2020
B1G Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
ECAC Belt          Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020
HEA Belt           Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       Western Michigan 02/21/2020
WCHA Belt          Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/14/2020
Ivy Belt           Cornell                Yale 02/21/2020
New England Belt   Boston College         Merrimack 02/14/2020
Connecticut Belt   Sacred Heart           NCAA Tourney at earliest
Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts Lowell   Northeastern 02/14/2020
Michigan Belt      Northern Michigan      Lake Superior State 02/21/2020
Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
New York Belt      Cornell                Union 02/14/2020
D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/14/2020
D II P u Alt SO    American International Sacred Heart 02/11/2020
D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest
Play up Belt       Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest

Corrections are always appreciated.
 
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MarkEagleUSA said:
Appreciate all you do with this, Ralph. Not knowing the work involved, what are the chances of a Connecticut belt since we have 4 teams and the Connecticut Ice Tourney?
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I added it. Now someone has to create the history which I am sure starts with Yale. It should not be too hard. Conceivably Connecticut had a team at some point in ancient history, but from the founding of ECAC D-I, Yale was the only team for a long time.

And before someone says it again, there are only three teams in Colorado and in Ohio. :D
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I added it. Now someone has to create the history which I am sure starts with Yale. It should not be too hard. Conceivably Connecticut had a team at some point in ancient history, but from the founding of ECAC D-I, Yale was the only team for a long time.

And before someone says it again, there are only three teams in Colorado and in Ohio. :D
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Digging around at this- I presume you only count games against legit NCAA opposition? So Yale losing to their own Alumni in 1905 or to the "New Haven Bears" is irrelevant?
 
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AMC said:
Digging around at this- I presume you only count games against legit NCAA opposition? So Yale losing to their own Alumni in 1905 or to the "New Haven Bears" is irrelevant?
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Yes, don't count them. Before the NCAA was formed, it's any legitimate college in CT.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Yes, don't count them. Before the NCAA was formed, it's any legitimate college in CT.
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Okay. Is Yale born with the belt, or does it spring into being in the first game between Connecticut teams? Yale first played in antiquity. UConn has their first season in 1960. They played Wesleyan in that first year, but Wesleyan's records online only go back to 1971-72. Connecticut beat Wesleyan in '60-'61, '61-'62, and '62-'63 (no individual dates listed), but then lost to the Cardinals in 1963-64. Wesleyan has no record of this game. UConn then beat Wesleyan every year until Wesleyan's record book picks up. So we COULD be fairly certain that UConn held the belt into the early 1970's, except....

Trinity existed. And Trinity's records pick up AFTER Wesleyan's, but we can be fairly certain they played (probably twice!) each year in the 1960's. Trinity first appears on UConn's schedule in 1968-69. There is also a "New Haven" that appears on Wesleyan's early 1970's schedules, and based upon the fact that every single other listing is a school I feel confident that is the University of New Haven and not the old New Haven Bears of antiquity. Fairfield also starts making some appearances on schedules in the early 1970's.

My instinct is to asterisk the 1963-64 game and say that Wesleyan may have played Trinity, New Haven, or Fairfield before they lost to UConn the next year.
 
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Well, here's what I've got. We need to track down 1960's Wesleyan and Trinity results.

Code: 
1960-61: 	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 5
1961-62:	Connecticut 6		Wesleyan 2
1962-63:	Connecticut 4		Wesleyan 3
1963-64:	Wesleyan 4		Connecticut 3
***Wesleyan records only date to 1971-72, possible loss to Trinity, Fairfield, or New Haven***
1964-65:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 4
1965-66:	Connecticut 10	        Wesleyan 4
1965-66:	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 3
1966-67:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 1
1968-69:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
1969-70:	Connecticut 9		Trinity 1
1969-70:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
1970-71:	Connecticut 8		Trinity 2
1970-71:	Connecticut 7		New Haven 4
1971-72:	Trinity 5		        Connecticut 3 (hilariously, UConn lost their next game to Yale)
****Trinity may have played New Haven or Fairfield before this game****
2/6/1972:	Wesleyan 4		Trinity 3
2/23/1972: Connecticut 3		Wesleyan 2
3/1/1972:	 Wesleyan 7		Connecticut 4
12/12/1973: Wesleyan 5		New Haven 3
1/13/1973:  New Haven 9		Wesleyan 4
**uh-oh**
 
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AMC said:
Well, here's what I've got. We need to track down 1960's Wesleyan and Trinity results.

Code: 
1960-61: 	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 5
1961-62:	Connecticut 6		Wesleyan 2
1962-63:	Connecticut 4		Wesleyan 3
1963-64:	Wesleyan 4		Connecticut 3
***Wesleyan records only date to 1971-72, possible loss to Trinity, Fairfield, or New Haven***
1964-65:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 4
1965-66:	Connecticut 10	        Wesleyan 4
1965-66:	Connecticut 11	        Wesleyan 3
1966-67:	Connecticut 13	        Wesleyan 1
1968-69:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
1969-70:	Connecticut 9		Trinity 1
1969-70:	Connecticut 14	        Wesleyan 0
1970-71:	Connecticut 8		Trinity 2
1970-71:	Connecticut 7		New Haven 4
1971-72:	Trinity 5		        Connecticut 3 (hilariously, UConn lost their next game to Yale)
****Trinity may have played New Haven or Fairfield before this game****
2/6/1972:	Wesleyan 4		Trinity 3
2/23/1972: Connecticut 3		Wesleyan 2
3/1/1972:	 Wesleyan 7		Connecticut 4
12/12/1973: Wesleyan 5		New Haven 3
1/13/1973:  New Haven 9		Wesleyan 4
**uh-oh**
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Did Yale not play any of the other CT schools? I would start with them, as you said "in antiquity".

Starting with the 61-62 season the ECAC formed. Wesleyan and UConn were not members, so I would not consider them eligible at the point. Starting with 64-65, ECAC broke off into ECAC-I and ECAC-II (see https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html), I would only consider those listed here as eligible which would mean that until the other three schools become eligible, Yale would keep the Belt. Sean Pickett should know exactly when.

Fairfield was indeed eligible for a while when they were in the MAAC. I forgot them.
 
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Also, I apologize for the third straight post, but we need a ruling on D1 vs. D3. At some point UConn's schedule took a turn for the sub Division 1. After 1971 Yale didn't play UConn again until 1999. The 1960's Huskies were playing a reasonable schedule (UNH, Vermont, lesser Ivies, a drubbing or two against Wisconsin...), eventually by the early 1970s it was more small college.

Making some reasonable guesses, I got it to a Fairfield win over Wesleyan on January 10, 1974. Neither Trinity nor UConn provide dates on their schedules from antiquity, and Fairfield and New Haven have no records whatsoever.

As for where this belt is now, my best guess is that this belt either died with New Haven in the early 1980's or is still rattling around the NESCAC. UConn's last D-3 game was a loss to Conn College in the ECAC playoffs. That would have been a belt game if UConn held it at that point. The last games New Haven played against UConn, Trinity, and Wesleyan all appear to be wins. No idea on Fairfield. Conn College and Sacred Heart didn't appear until after New Haven's demise.

You are the czar of the belt, so I'll defer to your judgment. My vote would be to start the belt in Yale's possession, which would bring in the 1971 game against UConn, and then sit dormant until 1999.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Did Yale not play any of the other CT schools? I would start with them, as you said "in antiquity".

Starting with the 61-62 season the ECAC formed. Wesleyan and UConn were not members, so I would not consider them eligible at the point. Starting with 64-65, ECAC broke off into ECAC-I and ECAC-II (see https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html), I would only consider those listed here as eligible which would mean that until the other three schools become eligible, Yale would keep the Belt. Sean Pickett should know exactly when.

Fairfield was indeed eligible for a while when they were in the MAAC. I forgot them.
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I typed slow. Okay. I agree with your judgment. Apologies to Trinity, Wesleyan, Conn College, and New Haven.

Yale didn't play any in state games until that one-off with UConn in the early 1970's. From there, it was after they all joined (re-joined?) D-I in 1999.
 
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AMC said:
You are the czar of the belt, so I'll defer to your judgment. My vote would be to start the belt in Yale's possession, which would bring in the 1971 game against UConn, and then sit dormant until 1999.
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I wouldn't count a 1971 game against UConn. They were not D-I then. 1989-99 was when the MAAC formed. That was probably Yale's next game if they played any of the MAAC CT schools.
 
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Well, the 1971 game's includability is immaterial. Yale won and moved on until 1999. I'll toss it on there as a fun "look how much Yale HATED playing in state schools" note and you can remove it if you want. I'm through 2012, have this done soon (this conference I am at is REALLY boring).
 
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Behold, the Connecticut belt. This is actually Sacred Heart's second time holding the belt (11/22/01, SHU 7-Yale 6). If they defend it once, it will be the first time they have defended the CT Belt. UConn has also held the CT Belt for exactly one game: UConn 4-Quinnipiac 1 10/21/14. The first defense was a loss to Yale.

I didn't do math on number of days/times held for Yale or Quinnipiac. Regardless of whether we count the 1971 game, Yale certainly holds the days with belt record due to playing in-state schools VERY sporadically until Quinnipiac joined the ECAC.

Code: 
12/1/1971:		Yale 16			Connecticut 2
11/27/1999:		Yale 3			Connecticut 2
1/25/2003:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
1/17/2004:		Yale 6			Connecticut 4
1/22/2005:		Yale 6			Connecticut 2
1/8/2006:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 3
2/5/2006:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
2/24/2006:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
1/13/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
2/2/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 4
1/12/2008:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
2/8/2008:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1
11/1/2008:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 1
1/31/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 0
2/20/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
11/24/2009:		Yale 8			Sacred Heart 2
12/4/2009:		Yale 7			Quinnipiac 4
2/27/2010:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 3
11/6/2010:		Yale 5			Quinnipiac 1
11/23/2010:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
2/18/2011:		Yale 6			Quinnipiac 1
11/19/2011:		Yale 5			Connecticut 3
11/22/2011:		Sacred Heart 7		Yale 6
12/9/2011:		Quinnipiac 6		Sacred Heart 1
1/6/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 1
2/25/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 2			tie-Quinnipiac retains
1/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 2		Connecticut 1
2/2/2013:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
2/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
3/23/2013:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0			ECAC 3rd place game
4/13/2013:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 0		National Championship
11/9/2013:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
11/16/2013:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
2/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
3/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2			ECAC QF
3/15/2014:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 3			ECAC QF
10/21/2014:		Connecticut 4		Quinnipiac 1
11/2/2014:		Yale 2			Connecticut 1
1/31/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
2/20/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
12/4/2015:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
2/27/2016:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
10/19/2016:		Quinnipiac 5		Connecticut 2
2/4/2017:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 2
2/24/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 2
11/18/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
1/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 0
2/9/2018:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 2
3/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
3/3/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
10/16/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 2
2/8/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
3/2/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
1/25/2020:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 2
1/26/2020:		Sacred Heart 4		Quinnipiac 1
Defense TBA
 
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sameoldfury said:
If four is the magic number, where's the Boston belt, AKA St. Boltoph's belt, the Beanbelt, the Boston Gut Strangler, the Dirty Water Waistband?
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Actually there is one. It just do not post it. See post #31.
 
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COSkier said:
Ralph, what are the Div II and Div III play up belts. Thanks
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They are Belts only contested by schools which are not D-I in all sports. I must admit that I was testing if all errors which I make are caught. Sacred Heart is not a D-II play-up school. :)
 
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Tuesday update
Code: 
                   <u>Current Holder</u>         <u>Next Defense</u>[b]
The Belt           Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020[/b]
The Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
The Belt Alt SO    Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
AHC Belt           American International Canisius 02/14/2020
B1G Belt           Notre Dame             Minnesota 02/14/2020
B1G Belt Alt 3x3   Michigan State         Michigan 02/14/2020
ECAC Belt          Quinnipiac             Clarkson 02/14/2020
HEA Belt           Maine                  Connecticut 02/14/2020
NCHC Belt          Minnesota Duluth       Western Michigan 02/21/2020
WCHA Belt          Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/21/2020
Ivy Belt           Cornell                Yale 02/21/2020
New England Belt   Boston College         Merrimack 02/14/2020
Connecticut Belt   Sacred Heart           NCAA Tourney at earliest
Massachusetts Belt Massachusetts Lowell   Northeastern 02/14/2020
Michigan Belt      Northern Michigan      Lake Superior State 02/21/2020
Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              NCAA Tourney at earliest
New York Belt      Cornell                Union 02/14/2020
D II Play up Belt  Minnesota State        Alabama Huntville 02/21/2020
D II P u Alt SO    American International AHA playoffs at earliest
D III Play up Belt Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest
Play up Belt       Rensselaer             ECAC playoffs at earliest

Corrections are always appreciated.
 
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AMC said:
Behold, the Connecticut belt. This is actually Sacred Heart's second time holding the belt (11/22/01, SHU 7-Yale 6). If they defend it once, it will be the first time they have defended the CT Belt. UConn has also held the CT Belt for exactly one game: UConn 4-Quinnipiac 1 10/21/14. The first defense was a loss to Yale.

I didn't do math on number of days/times held for Yale or Quinnipiac. Regardless of whether we count the 1971 game, Yale certainly holds the days with belt record due to playing in-state schools VERY sporadically until Quinnipiac joined the ECAC.

Code: 
12/1/1971:		Yale 16			Connecticut 2
11/27/1999:		Yale 3			Connecticut 2
1/25/2003:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
1/17/2004:		Yale 6			Connecticut 4
1/22/2005:		Yale 6			Connecticut 2
1/8/2006:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 3
2/5/2006:		Yale 4			Connecticut 3
2/24/2006:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
1/13/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
2/2/2007:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 4
1/12/2008:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
2/8/2008:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1
11/1/2008:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 1
1/31/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 0
2/20/2009:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
11/24/2009:		Yale 8			Sacred Heart 2
12/4/2009:		Yale 7			Quinnipiac 4
2/27/2010:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 3
11/6/2010:		Yale 5			Quinnipiac 1
11/23/2010:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
2/18/2011:		Yale 6			Quinnipiac 1
11/19/2011:		Yale 5			Connecticut 3
11/22/2011:		Sacred Heart 7		Yale 6
12/9/2011:		Quinnipiac 6		Sacred Heart 1
1/6/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 1
2/25/2012:		Quinnipiac 2		Yale 2			tie-Quinnipiac retains
1/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 2		Connecticut 1
2/2/2013:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2
2/22/2013:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
3/23/2013:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0			ECAC 3rd place game
4/13/2013:		Yale 4			Quinnipiac 0		National Championship
11/9/2013:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 3		tie-Yale retains
11/16/2013:		Yale 5			Sacred Heart 1
2/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
3/14/2014:		Quinnipiac 6		Yale 2			ECAC QF
3/15/2014:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 3			ECAC QF
10/21/2014:		Connecticut 4		Quinnipiac 1
11/2/2014:		Yale 2			Connecticut 1
1/31/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
2/20/2015:		Yale 2			Quinnipiac 2		tie-Yale retains
12/4/2015:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
2/27/2016:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
10/19/2016:		Quinnipiac 5		Connecticut 2
2/4/2017:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 2
2/24/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 2
11/18/2017:		Quinnipiac 3		Yale 0
1/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 0
2/9/2018:		Yale 3			Quinnipiac 2
3/2/2018:		Quinnipiac 5		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
3/3/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1			ECAC 1st Round
10/16/2018:		Quinnipiac 4		Connecticut 2
2/8/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 0
3/2/2019:		Quinnipiac 4		Yale 1
1/25/2020:		Quinnipiac 3		Connecticut 2
1/26/2020:		Sacred Heart 4		Quinnipiac 1
Defense TBA
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Thanks. That is more information than I actually need, but I can easily extract it.
 
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So how is the Beanpot belt being handled with the new Beanpot OT format? After some quick thought BC had to have brought it into the tournament, so do they still have it, having not lost for NCAA purposes?
 
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TheRevengeance said:
So how is the Beanpot belt being handled with the new Beanpot OT format? After some quick thought BC had to have brought it into the tournament, so do they still have it, having not lost for NCAA purposes?
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As long as they do not use fewer players or shootouts, the games count as wins.
 
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