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The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
- Thread starter Ralph Baer
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Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
UAH went D-I in the 1987-88 season, dropped out in 1992-93 (or was it 1991-92?), and came back 1998-99. I know some of the UAH posters have some media guides, so they should be able to help. Source on the years is WaP.
UAH went D-I in the 1987-88 season, dropped out in 1992-93 (or was it 1991-92?), and came back 1998-99. I know some of the UAH posters have some media guides, so they should be able to help. Source on the years is WaP.
bumpreader
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Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
I emailed you Alabama-Huntsville and Alaska. I had text files that used to be available on the teams' web pages.
Lake Superior game results are here: http://lssulakers.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/yearbyyear.html
I think Findlay and Wayne State should be covered by USCHO's game data.
That said, I have the game info in a database already. Since you did the work of figuring out who was eligible you made it easy to do this:
Hope I'm not stealing your thunder.
I emailed you Alabama-Huntsville and Alaska. I had text files that used to be available on the teams' web pages.
Lake Superior game results are here: http://lssulakers.cstv.com/sports/m-hockey/yearbyyear.html
I think Findlay and Wayne State should be covered by USCHO's game data.
That said, I have the game info in a database already. Since you did the work of figuring out who was eligible you made it easy to do this:
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01/08/1952 North Dakota defeated Michigan Tech
02/16/1955 Michigan Tech
01/04/1957 North Dakota
01/05/1957 Michigan Tech
02/15/1957 North Dakota
01/02/1959 Michigan Tech
01/03/1959 North Dakota
02/06/1959 Michigan Tech
02/07/1959 North Dakota
12/05/1959 Michigan Tech
02/20/1960 North Dakota
03/12/1960 Michigan Tech
11/25/1960 North Dakota
11/26/1960 Michigan Tech
01/04/1963 North Dakota
02/08/1963 Michigan Tech
03/08/1963 North Dakota
02/07/1964 Michigan Tech
02/08/1964 North Dakota
02/14/1964 Michigan Tech
02/15/1964 North Dakota
12/04/1964 Michigan Tech
12/18/1964 North Dakota
02/12/1965 Minnesota-Duluth
02/13/1965 North Dakota
03/13/1965 Michigan Tech
01/14/1966 North Dakota
01/15/1966 Michigan Tech
12/02/1966 North Dakota
01/13/1967 Minnesota-Duluth
01/14/1967 North Dakota
03/03/1967 Michigan Tech
12/21/1967 North Dakota
01/12/1968 Michigan Tech
01/13/1968 North Dakota
02/10/1968 Michigan Tech
03/09/1968 North Dakota
01/17/1969 Michigan Tech
01/18/1969 North Dakota
02/15/1969 Michigan Tech
01/23/1970 Minnesota-Duluth
03/07/1970 Michigan Tech
11/27/1970 Minnesota-Duluth
01/22/1971 Michigan Tech
03/11/1971 North Dakota
11/19/1971 Minnesota-Duluth
11/20/1971 North Dakota
02/11/1972 Minnesota-Duluth
02/12/1972 North Dakota
11/17/1972 Minnesota-Duluth
11/18/1972 North Dakota
01/05/1973 Michigan Tech
01/06/1973 North Dakota
11/23/1973 Michigan Tech
02/22/1974 Minnesota-Duluth
02/23/1974 Michigan Tech
02/08/1975 Minnesota-Duluth
11/21/1975 North Dakota
11/22/1975 Minnesota-Duluth
12/05/1975 Michigan Tech
12/03/1976 North Dakota
01/07/1977 Michigan Tech
01/08/1977 North Dakota
01/21/1977 Minnesota-Duluth
03/05/1977 Michigan Tech
10/22/1977 Lake Superior State
01/20/1978 Northern Michigan
02/24/1978 Lake Superior State
10/14/1978 Minnesota-Duluth
02/02/1979 North Dakota
02/03/1979 Minnesota-Duluth
11/24/1979 Denver
12/01/1979 Michigan Tech
12/08/1979 Lake Superior State
01/18/1980 Ferris State
02/15/1980 Northern Michigan
03/29/1980 North Dakota
10/18/1980 Northern Michigan
10/31/1980 Denver
01/10/1981 North Dakota
02/14/1981 Denver
11/27/1981 North Dakota
11/28/1981 Denver
12/04/1981 Minnesota-Duluth
12/05/1981 Denver
01/08/1982 North Dakota
02/27/1982 Denver
03/10/1982 North Dakota
10/29/1982 Minnesota-Duluth
11/13/1982 Denver
12/10/1982 North Dakota
01/21/1983 Minnesota-Duluth
01/22/1983 North Dakota
02/18/1983 Minnesota-Duluth
02/19/1983 North Dakota
12/02/1983 Denver
12/03/1983 North Dakota
01/27/1984 Minnesota-Duluth
10/19/1984 Michigan Tech
10/27/1984 Northern Michigan
01/18/1985 Michigan Tech
01/25/1985 North Dakota
02/01/1985 Northern Michigan
02/22/1985 Minnesota-Duluth
01/11/1986 North Dakota
02/07/1986 Denver
02/08/1986 North Dakota
11/07/1986 Michigan Tech
11/08/1986 North Dakota
12/28/1986 Massachusetts Lowell
01/02/1987 Minnesota-Duluth
01/23/1987 Denver
02/06/1987 Michigan Tech
10/09/1987 North Dakota
10/23/1987 Minnesota-Duluth
12/12/1987 Denver
12/18/1987 Northern Michigan
12/28/1987 Lake Superior State
01/16/1988 Ferris State
11/25/1988 Lake Superior State
11/26/1988 Ferris State
02/03/1989 Lake Superior State
11/24/1990 Ferris State
01/04/1991 Lake Superior State
11/07/1991 Northern Michigan
11/09/1991 Lake Superior State
12/17/1993 Michigan Tech
01/07/1994 Minnesota-Duluth
01/08/1994 Michigan Tech
01/22/1994 Alaska Anchorage
01/29/1994 Minnesota-Duluth
02/11/1994 St. Cloud
02/12/1994 Minnesota-Duluth
02/18/1994 Denver
02/19/1994 Minnesota-Duluth
02/26/1994 Northern Michigan
03/04/1994 Michigan Tech
03/05/1994 Northern Michigan
03/17/1994 Michigan Tech
10/29/1994 Denver
11/04/1994 North Dakota
11/05/1994 Denver
01/06/1995 St. Cloud
01/07/1995 Denver
01/13/1995 Minnesota-Duluth
02/04/1995 St. Cloud
03/11/1995 North Dakota
11/03/1995 Minnesota-Duluth
11/04/1995 North Dakota
11/17/1995 Alaska Anchorage
11/24/1995 Michigan Tech
12/09/1995 St. Cloud
01/05/1996 North Dakota
01/20/1996 Denver
02/10/1996 Minnesota-Duluth
02/24/1996 Northern Michigan
10/12/1996 Michigan Tech
10/25/1996 North Dakota
11/15/1996 St. Cloud
11/16/1996 North Dakota
11/22/1996 Alaska Anchorage
11/23/1996 North Dakota
01/10/1997 St. Cloud
01/11/1997 North Dakota
02/14/1997 Northern Michigan
02/15/1997 North Dakota
02/28/1997 Denver
10/26/1997 Michigan Tech
10/27/1997 Denver
10/31/1997 Minnesota State
11/01/1997 Denver
11/08/1997 Alaska Anchorage
11/09/1997 Denver
11/21/1997 North Dakota
12/13/1997 St. Cloud
01/16/1998 Minnesota-Duluth
02/27/1998 North Dakota
02/28/1998 Minnesota-Duluth
03/19/1998 St. Cloud
03/20/1998 North Dakota
11/20/1999 Minnesota State
11/27/1999 St. Cloud
03/17/2000 North Dakota
10/20/2000 Michigan Tech
10/21/2000 North Dakota
10/27/2000 Minnesota State
10/28/2000 North Dakota
03/17/2001 St. Cloud
01/11/2002 Minnesota-Duluth
01/12/2002 St. Cloud
10/12/2002 Ferris State
11/09/2002 Wayne State
11/15/2002 Bemidji State
12/07/2002 Minnesota-Duluth
01/24/2003 St. Cloud
01/25/2003 Minnesota-Duluth
01/31/2003 Minnesota State
03/22/2003 Minnesota-Duluth
10/04/2003 North Dakota
11/14/2003 St. Cloud
11/15/2003 North Dakota
12/04/2004 Alaska Anchorage
01/22/2005 Minnesota State
02/12/2005 Michigan Tech
02/19/2005 Northern Michigan
03/17/2005 Alaska
10/23/2005 Alaska Anchorage
11/04/2005 Minnesota State
12/02/2005 Minnesota-Duluth
01/13/2006 Michigan Tech
02/03/2006 Minnesota State
02/04/2006 Michigan Tech
02/24/2006 St. Cloud
03/18/2006 North Dakota
11/17/2006 Alaska Anchorage
12/02/2006 Minnesota-Duluth
12/08/2006 Bemidji State
01/12/2007 Michigan Tech
01/19/2007 Alaska Anchorage
01/20/2007 Michigan Tech
02/03/2007 Minnesota State
02/09/2007 North Dakota
10/26/2007 Michigan Tech
10/27/2007 North Dakota
11/24/2007 Minnesota-Duluth
12/01/2007 Minnesota State
12/18/2007 Nebraska Omaha
02/22/2008 Northern Michigan
02/28/2008 Lake Superior State
10/10/2008 Minnesota-Duluth awarded an alternate belt due to shootout win
10/11/2008 Michigan Tech
11/01/2008 Alaska Anchorage
11/07/2008 Minnesota State
12/05/2008 St. Cloud
02/07/2009 Alaska Anchorage
11/20/2009 Minnesota State
11/21/2009 Alaska Anchorage
12/04/2009 St. Cloud
03/05/2010 Minnesota State
03/14/2010 St. Cloud
11/06/2010 Bemidji State
11/12/2010 Alaska Anchorage
11/13/2010 Bemidji State
11/26/2010 Northern Michigan
11/27/2010 Bemidji State
01/08/2011 Alabama-Huntsville
01/14/2011 Merrimack
01/21/2011 Massachusetts Lowell
02/24/2012 MerrimackHope I'm not stealing your thunder.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
bumpreader,
What happened to the Alternate Belt?
Also, did you and burgie transfer Belts only at the end of multiple-game playoffs?
bumpreader,
What happened to the Alternate Belt?
Also, did you and burgie transfer Belts only at the end of multiple-game playoffs?
bumpreader
New member
Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
Yes, belts transferred only at the end of multi-game playoff series.
The alternate:
Yes, belts transferred only at the end of multi-game playoff series.
The alternate:
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10/24/2008 Alaska Anchorage
10/31/2008 Michigan Tech (belts unified)Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
The only comments I had on your list are:
1) North Dakota listed its victory over Michigan Tech as 03/12/1971 (not 03/11). I find March 12th much more likely, but I couldn't find game-by-game results from Minnesota or Wisconsin (the other two teams in that half of the WCHA bracket) to corroborate and the WCHA site didn't have anything on it, so at this point I just have conflicting information.
2) Nebraska Omaha swept Denver in their first season as a D-I program (after upgrading from club). So, while they weren't eligible for the D-I title, they were a play-up program. Is there a judgement from others more learned?
If UNO is deemed eligible for the D2 Play-up Belt, then the Belt follows this path:
instead of this path:
I'd also like to add the "Overall Play-up Belt" which allows for either D2 or D3 programs to claim it.
Thank you for the email!
Perhaps another email is in order?!
How dare you also share a passion for college hockey! /outrage
The only comments I had on your list are:
1) North Dakota listed its victory over Michigan Tech as 03/12/1971 (not 03/11). I find March 12th much more likely, but I couldn't find game-by-game results from Minnesota or Wisconsin (the other two teams in that half of the WCHA bracket) to corroborate and the WCHA site didn't have anything on it, so at this point I just have conflicting information.
2) Nebraska Omaha swept Denver in their first season as a D-I program (after upgrading from club). So, while they weren't eligible for the D-I title, they were a play-up program. Is there a judgement from others more learned?
If UNO is deemed eligible for the D2 Play-up Belt, then the Belt follows this path:
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11/09/1997 Denver
11/15/1997 Nebraska Omaha
12/05/1997 Minnesota Duluth
12/19/1997 Alaska Anchorage
12/20/1997 Minnesota Duluth
02/27/1998 North Dakota
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11/09/1997 Denver
11/21/1997 North Dakota
12/13/1997 St. Cloud
01/16/1998 Minnesota-Duluth
02/27/1998 North DakotaYessir.
I'd also like to add the "Overall Play-up Belt" which allows for either D2 or D3 programs to claim it.
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01/08/1952 North Dakota defeated Michigan Tech
02/22/1952 Colorado College (may be 02/23/1952)
02/10/1953 North Dakota
02/18/1954 Colorado College
02/11/1955 North Dakota
02/12/1955 Colorado College
12/14/1955 North Dakota
01/07/1956 Colorado College
02/08/1957 North Dakota
02/19/1957 Colorado College
03/01/1957 Michigan Tech
03/02/1957 Colorado College
02/09/1959 North Dakota
03/03/1959 Colorado College
01/01/1960 Michigan Tech
01/02/1960 Colorado College
01/11/1960 North Dakota
02/19/1960 Michigan Tech
02/20/1960 North Dakota
03/12/1960 Michigan Tech
11/25/1960 North Dakota
11/26/1960 Michigan Tech
01/04/1963 North Dakota
02/08/1963 Michigan Tech
03/08/1963 North Dakota
02/07/1964 Michigan Tech
02/08/1964 North Dakota
02/14/1964 Michigan Tech
02/15/1964 North Dakota
12/04/1964 Michigan Tech
12/18/1964 North Dakota
02/12/1965 Minnesota Duluth
02/13/1965 North Dakota
03/13/1965 Michigan Tech
01/14/1966 North Dakota
01/15/1966 Michigan Tech
11/24/1966 St. Lawrence
12/19/1966 Clarkson
02/28/1967 St. Lawrence (may be 01/10/1967)*
01/09/1968 Clarkson**
02/14/1969 Rensselaer
02/13/1970 Clarkson
11/27/1971 St. Lawrence
02/12/1972 Rensselaer
11/24/1972 Clarkson
11/25/1972 St. Lawrence
12/20/1972 Clarkson
01/23/1973 St. Lawrence
02/21/1973 Clarkson
12/01/1973 Rensselaer
02/08/1974 Clarkson
02/20/1974 St. Lawrence
11/30/1974 Clarkson
02/07/1975 Rensselaer
02/08/1975 St. Lawrence
02/19/1975 Clarkson
12/06/1975 Rensselaer
02/07/1976 St. Lawrence
02/21/1976 Rensselaer
12/04/1976 Clarkson
12/28/1976 Rensselaer
02/04/1977 Clarkson
12/10/1977 Rensselaer
12/09/1978 Clarkson
11/03/1979 Northern Michigan
11/23/1979 Michigan Tech
11/24/1979 Northern Michigan
03/29/1980 North Dakota ((may be 03/28/1980 (unlikely))
10/18/1980 Northern Michigan
10/31/1980 Denver
12/13/1980 Colorado College
01/16/1981 Minnesota Duluth
01/17/1981 Colorado College
01/23/1981 North Dakota
01/24/1981 Colorado College
02/06/1981 Michigan Tech
02/20/1981 North Dakota
02/21/1981 Michigan Tech
11/21/1981 Lake Superior
11/22/1981 Michigan Tech
01/22/1982 Ferris State
01/23/1982 Michigan Tech
02/12/1982 Lake Superior
02/13/1982 Michigan Tech
10/15/1982 Minnesota Duluth
11/13/1982 Denver
12/10/1982 North Dakota
01/21/1983 Minnesota Duluth
01/22/1983 North Dakota
02/18/1983 Minnesota Duluth
02/19/1983 North Dakota
12/02/1983 Denver
12/03/1983 North Dakota
01/27/1984 Minnesota Duluth
10/13/1984 Colorado College
10/26/1984 Denver
10/27/1984 Colorado College
12/08/1984 UMass Lowell
12/28/1984 Denver
12/29/1984 UMass Lowell
01/04/1985 Minnesota Duluth
01/25/1985 Northern Michigan
01/26/1985 Minnesota Duluth
03/29/1985 Rensselaer
02/01/1986 St. Lawrence
12/10/1986 Clarkson
12/09/1987 St. Lawrence
01/22/1988 UMass Lowell
11/11/1988 Michigan Tech
11/18/1988 North Dakota
11/26/1988 Denver
12/02/1988 Michigan Tech
12/03/1988 Denver
12/10/1988 North Dakota
01/14/1989 Michigan Tech
01/20/1989 Colorado College
01/21/1989 Michigan Tech
02/10/1989 Denver
03/06/1989 Northern Michigan
10/28/1989 Michigan Tech
11/03/1989 North Dakota
11/04/1989 Michigan Tech
11/10/1989 Denver
11/18/1989 North Dakota
12/15/1989 Denver
12/22/1989 St. Cloud State
12/29/1989 North Dakota
10/19/1990 Northern Michigan
12/20/1990 St. Cloud State
12/29/1990 Denver
01/25/1991 Northern Michigan
10/26/1991 Minnesota Duluth
11/23/1991 Colorado College
11/29/1991 Northern Michigan
11/30/1991 Colorado College
12/20/1991 Alaska Anchorage
12/21/1991 Northern Michigan
01/24/1992 Minnesota Duluth
01/25/1992 Northern Michigan
02/07/1992 North Dakota
02/15/1992 Minnesota Duluth
02/28/1992 Colorado College
10/23/1992 Michigan Tech
10/31/1992 North Dakota
11/06/1992 Minnesota Duluth
11/13/1992 St. Cloud State
11/14/1992 Minnesota Duluth
12/11/1992 Colorado College
12/12/1992 Minnesota Duluth
02/12/1993 Michigan Tech (may be 02/13/1993)
02/19/1993 Northern Michigan
02/20/1993 Michigan Tech
02/26/1993 North Dakota
02/27/1993 Michigan Tech
03/18/1993 Northern Michigan
10/30/1993 Michigan Tech
11/20/1993 Alaska Anchorage
11/26/1993 Denver
11/27/1993 Alaska Anchorage
01/07/1994 St. Cloud State
02/04/1994 Northern Michigan
02/05/1994 St. Cloud State
02/12/1994 Minnesota Duluth
02/18/1994 Denver
02/19/1994 Minnesota Duluth
02/26/1994 Northern Michigan
03/04/1994 Michigan Tech
03/05/1994 Northern Michigan
03/17/1994 Michigan Tech
10/29/1994 Denver
11/04/1994 North Dakota
11/05/1994 Denver
11/13/1994 Colorado College
12/10/1994 Northern Michigan
12/29/1994 Ferris State
01/07/1995 Lake Superior
10/18/1997 Ferris State
11/07/1997 Minnesota State
12/12/1997 Colorado College
01/09/1998 North Dakota
01/23/1998 St. Cloud State
01/24/1998 North Dakota
02/28/1998 Minnesota Duluth
03/19/1998 St. Cloud State
03/20/1998 North Dakota
11/20/1998 Colorado College
11/21/1998 North Dakota
03/20/1999 Denver
10/23/1999 Alaska Anchorage
10/29/1999 Minnesota State
10/30/1999 Alaska Anchorage
11/12/1999 North Dakota
11/20/1999 Minnesota State
11/27/1999 St. Cloud State
02/26/2000 Colorado College
11/10/2000 St. Cloud State
01/26/2001 North Dakota
03/17/2001 St. Cloud State
11/10/2001 Colorado College
12/07/2001 St. Cloud State
12/08/2001 Colorado College
01/12/2002 Minnesota State
02/09/2002 Alaska Anchorage
02/15/2002 St. Cloud State
03/16/2002 Colorado College
10/12/2002 UMass Lowell
10/18/2003 Alaska Anchorage
10/31/2003 Minnesota Duluth
11/07/2003 St. Cloud State
11/15/2003 North Dakota
02/14/2004 Colorado College
02/20/2004 Minnesota Duluth
02/27/2004 North Dakota
11/05/2004 Colorado College
11/06/2004 North Dakota
12/04/2004 Alaska Anchorage
12/10/2004 Colorado College
01/22/2005 Minnesota Duluth
02/04/2005 Michigan Tech
02/19/2005 Northern Michigan
03/17/2005 Alaska
10/23/2005 Alaska Anchorage
11/04/2005 Minnesota State
12/17/2005 Michigan Tech
02/03/2006 Minnesota State
02/04/2006 Michigan Tech
02/24/2006 St. Cloud State
03/18/2006 North Dakota
11/17/2006 Alaska Anchorage
12/02/2006 Minnesota Duluth
12/08/2006 Bemidji State
12/30/2006 Colorado College
01/06/2007 North Dakota
10/26/2007 Michigan Tech
10/27/2007 North Dakota
11/03/2007 Colorado College
12/15/2007 St. Cloud State
01/05/2008 North Dakota || North Dakota's athletic department upgrades to D-I after the 2007-8 season and takes the Play-up Belt with them
*St. Lawrence and Clarkson played three times in the 1966-7 season. Clarkson won the first game 5-2. Clarkson claims to have lost the second game 4-6 and tied the third 4-4 while St. Lawrence claims to have tied the second game and won the third. No matter what, St. Lawrence holds the D3 Play-up Belt at the end of the 1967 season.
**Both Clarkson and St. Lawrence claim to have lost the 2/27/68 game in Canton, 8-5. Based on Clarkson's reported 11-5 ECAC record and St. Lawrence's reported 7-6-1 record at Appleton that season, I believe that Clarkson won and keeps the D3 Play-up Belt. However, this contradicts Clarkson's reported 16-7-1 overall record. If St. Lawrence won, then the belt follows the following path:
01/09/1968 Clarkson
02/27/1968 St. Lawrence
01/14/1969 Clarkson (rejoins main path)
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Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
Since North Dakota upgraded their athletic program in the summer of 2008 (while they were holders of the Play-up Belt), all games between Play-up teams on October 10, 2008 awarded a new Belt.
With all of the belts merged, it continues in the following manner:
Now, I just have a couple of comments / questions left.
1) There was an effort made in the Original Belt (obviously) and the Conference Belts to determine if the National Champion held said belt at the end of the season and they were awarded an Alternate if they did not. That practice was dropped from the regional and state belts. Should such an effort still be made?
2) Belt 2 / 3 that was awarded in the October 10, 2008 scramble. The game was a tie. UMD beat LSSU in a shoot-out. What is the ruling of the crowd?
3) Naming should be consistent. I used whatever was used in collegehockeystat's 2011-12 schedule / standings page, which usually corresponds to the desire of the school's Sports Information Director at this time. But, it changes (see: Minnesota Duluth, Minnesota State, UMass Lowell, etc.). What names should be used?
4) Are we sure that US International, U. Illinois-Chicago, Northern Arizona, and Kent State (there were probably a couple others, but US International and UIC were the two big ones who stuck around for awhile) have been D-I for their entire tenure? They are D-I now, but I don't know much about their athletic history.
5) Personally, I don't think that any of the three of these need to be actively posted, but I'll probably continue to track them at the least.
6) You may have noticed that I know believe SLU's game-by-game results more strongly than Clarkson's and I have changed the 01/10/1967 St. Lawrence (may be 02/28/1967) entry to 02/28/1967 St. Lawrence (may be 01/10/1967). I think that is more accurate.
7) I would greatly appreciate if someone (bumpreader?) can double-check this belt. I found a lot of discrepancies between my D-II belt and his, mostly from mistakes that I made.
Since North Dakota upgraded their athletic program in the summer of 2008 (while they were holders of the Play-up Belt), all games between Play-up teams on October 10, 2008 awarded a new Belt.
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[B]Belt 1:[/B]
10/10/2008 St. Cloud State defeats Mercyhurst
11/01/2008 Minnesota Duluth / merges with Belt 2
12/06/2008 (merges with Belt 3)
[B]Belt 2:[/B]
10/10/2008 Minnesota Duluth ties Lake Superior. Minnesota Duluth wins the shootout
10/11/2008 (merges with Belt 4)
10/24/2008 Alaska Anchorage
10/25/2008 Minnesota Duluth
11/01/2008 (merges with Belt 1)
[B]Belt 3:[/B]
10/10/2008 Lake Superior ties Minnesota Duluth
10/11/2008 Michigan Tech
10/17/2008 Colorado College / merges with Belt 5
11/14/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6
11/15/2008 Colorado College
11/21/2008 Alaska Anchorage
11/22/2008 Colorado College
12/06/2008 Minnesota Duluth / merges with Belt 1
[B]Belt 4:[/B]
10/10/2008 Northern Michigan defeats Michigan Tech
10/11/2008 Minnesota Duluth / merges with Belt 2
[B]Belt 5:[/B]
10/10/2008 Colorado College defeats Alabama-Huntsville
10/17/2008 (merges with Belt 3)
[B]Belt 6:[/B]
10/10/2008 Minnesota State defeats Bemidji State
10/17/2008 (merges with Original Belt)
11/15/2008 (merges with Belt 3)
[B]Original Belt:[/B]
10/17/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6With all of the belts merged, it continues in the following manner:
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01/09/2009 St. Cloud State
02/07/2009 Alaska Anchorage
11/20/2009 Minnesota State
11/21/2009 Alaska Anchorage
11/27/2009 Colorado College
11/28/2009 Alaska Anchorage
12/04/2009 St. Cloud State
12/12/2009 Colorado College
01/08/2010 Minnesota Duluth
01/22/2010 Bemidji State
02/27/2010 Nebraska Omaha
03/13/2010 Ferris State
03/19/2010 Northern Michigan
03/26/2010 St. Cloud State
10/09/2010 Clarkson
01/03/2011 Minnesota Duluth
02/11/2011 St. Cloud State
03/12/2011 Minnesota Duluth
03/17/2011 Bemidji State
10/14/2011 Colorado College
11/04/2011 Nebraska Omaha
11/05/2011 Colorado College
12/09/2011 Alaska Anchorage
12/10/2011 Colorado College
01/14/2012 St. Cloud State
02/17/2012 Alaska Anchorage
02/18/2012 St. Cloud State
02/25/2012 Michigan Tech
03/02/2012 Colorado College
03/10/2012 Michigan TechNow, I just have a couple of comments / questions left.
1) There was an effort made in the Original Belt (obviously) and the Conference Belts to determine if the National Champion held said belt at the end of the season and they were awarded an Alternate if they did not. That practice was dropped from the regional and state belts. Should such an effort still be made?
2) Belt 2 / 3 that was awarded in the October 10, 2008 scramble. The game was a tie. UMD beat LSSU in a shoot-out. What is the ruling of the crowd?
3) Naming should be consistent. I used whatever was used in collegehockeystat's 2011-12 schedule / standings page, which usually corresponds to the desire of the school's Sports Information Director at this time. But, it changes (see: Minnesota Duluth, Minnesota State, UMass Lowell, etc.). What names should be used?
4) Are we sure that US International, U. Illinois-Chicago, Northern Arizona, and Kent State (there were probably a couple others, but US International and UIC were the two big ones who stuck around for awhile) have been D-I for their entire tenure? They are D-I now, but I don't know much about their athletic history.
5) Personally, I don't think that any of the three of these need to be actively posted, but I'll probably continue to track them at the least.
6) You may have noticed that I know believe SLU's game-by-game results more strongly than Clarkson's and I have changed the 01/10/1967 St. Lawrence (may be 02/28/1967) entry to 02/28/1967 St. Lawrence (may be 01/10/1967). I think that is more accurate.
7) I would greatly appreciate if someone (bumpreader?) can double-check this belt. I found a lot of discrepancies between my D-II belt and his, mostly from mistakes that I made.
Ralph Baer
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Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
1) Personally, I only believe that an alternate original Belt should be awarded to the national champion if it doesn't have it anyway. OTOH, if say a non-holder of the HEA Belt wins the HEA tourney it is awarded an alternate HEA Belt. Since there are no state tourneys this doesn't occur for state Belts. (Similarly for your play-up Belts.)
2) I agree with what you did for Belts 2 and 3.
3) It really should be the name at the time, but I have used a single name for every school since it simplifies the Excel coding for calculating time with Belt for each school. No one ever complained.
4) I don't think that they were.
5) ?
6) I didn't subscribe to the IcHN until 68-69, so I can't help you there. The 1968 NCAA Guide has scores for the 1967 but without dates.
7) I'll leave that to bumpreader or someone else.
1) Personally, I only believe that an alternate original Belt should be awarded to the national champion if it doesn't have it anyway. OTOH, if say a non-holder of the HEA Belt wins the HEA tourney it is awarded an alternate HEA Belt. Since there are no state tourneys this doesn't occur for state Belts. (Similarly for your play-up Belts.)
2) I agree with what you did for Belts 2 and 3.
3) It really should be the name at the time, but I have used a single name for every school since it simplifies the Excel coding for calculating time with Belt for each school. No one ever complained.
4) I don't think that they were.
5) ?
6) I didn't subscribe to the IcHN until 68-69, so I can't help you there. The 1968 NCAA Guide has scores for the 1967 but without dates.
7) I'll leave that to bumpreader or someone else.
Ralph Baer
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When you wrote "10/17/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6" does that mean that MSUM beat North Dakota on that date?
I should just look it up, but I am lazy.
When you wrote "10/17/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6" does that mean that MSUM beat North Dakota on that date?
I should just look it up, but I am lazy.
Ralph Baer
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Could someone check the next defenses that I have listed. I realize that BC's schedule is still incomplete.
Could someone check the next defenses that I have listed. I realize that BC's schedule is still incomplete.
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<u>Current Holder</u> <u>Next Defense</u>[b]
The Belt Boston College ?Northeastern 10/13/2012[/b]
AHA Belt Air Force Canisius 10/25/2012
CCHA Belt Western Michigan Notre Dame 11/02/2012
ECAC Belt Union Rensselaer 11/02/2012
HEA Belt Boston College ?Northeastern 10/13/2012
WCHA Belt Minnesota Michigan Tech 10/19/2012
Ivy Belt Harvard Brown 11/02/2012
B1G Michigan Michigan State 11/09/2012
NCHC Belt North Dakota St. Cloud State 11/09/2012
New England Belt Boston College ?Northeastern 10/13/2012
Massachusetts Belt Merrimack Northeastern 10/10/2012
Michigan Belt Western Michigan Northern Michigan 11/30/2012
Michigan Alternate Northern Michigan Michigan 11/02/2012
Minnesota Belt Minnesota Minnesota State 11/02/2012
New York Belt Union Rensselaer 11/02/2012
D-II Playup Belt Merrimack Alaska 10/19/2012
D-III Playup Belt Colorado College Clarkson 10/12/2012
Playup Belt Michigan Tech Lake Superior State 10/11/2012Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
Your subscription should also help resolve the confusion around the Feb 27, 1968 SLU / Clarkson game.
I meant that they could be treated like the R&W Belt or the Beanpot Belt.
I don't need the dates, just the order of the games (it's explained at the bottom of the code section). SLU and Clarkson played three times in the 1966-7 season. Clarkson won the first. The other two games were a tie and a SLU win, but I'm not sure which order they came in.
Your subscription should also help resolve the confusion around the Feb 27, 1968 SLU / Clarkson game.
Yes.
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66-67 season for Clarkson vs. SLU 5-2, 4-4, 4-6.
66-67 SLU vs. Clarksonn 2-5, 4-4, 6-4.
67-68 season Clarkson vs. SLU 4-8, 8-4, 8-5.
67-68 SLU vs Clarkson 8-4, 4-8, 5-8.
66-67 season for Clarkson vs. SLU 5-2, 4-4, 4-6.
66-67 SLU vs. Clarksonn 2-5, 4-4, 6-4.
67-68 season Clarkson vs. SLU 4-8, 8-4, 8-5.
67-68 SLU vs Clarkson 8-4, 4-8, 5-8.
Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III
Awesome. Both asterisks can be dropped from the D3 Playup and the Playup Belts.
Ralph Baer
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Ideally I'd do something like this: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/ScoresIndex.htm
Maybe Ralph can check this one.
I'll spend more time checking on these later, but I think there's only one problem with the D3 belt. The playup belt goes through this same path. I got:
On 2/23/1974, RPI says they beat St. Lawrence 7-1, while St. Lawrence says they won 6-3. I think that RPI won because St. Lawrence's record wouldn't match their own media guide if they won that game on 2/23, and their ECAC record wouldn't match the official ECAC standings either.
Perhaps. I haven't figured out what to do with this database yet. I certainly don't want to hoard it but it's riddled with errors. You've seen how many errors are in media guides - you found three or four errors in just this tiny slice of the data. Plus there's a high possibility of errors in translation by me.
Ideally I'd do something like this: http://www.jhowell.net/cf/scores/ScoresIndex.htm
What I have from both Minnesota and Wisconsin has them playing on 3/11, for what that's worth. A quick google news search didn't find anything useful either.
Maybe Ralph can check this one.
Good catch. I agree with your correction for this one.
I'll spend more time checking on these later, but I think there's only one problem with the D3 belt. The playup belt goes through this same path. I got:
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< 11/30/1974 Clarkson
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> 02/23/1974 Rensselaer
> 12/07/1974 ClarksonRalph Baer
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The IcHN doesn't give dates but an article states " "At the Wisconsin site, Minnesota edged the host Badgers in first night action while the next night league champ Michigan Tech, a real front-runner all season, was stunned by upstart North Dakote, 6-4." I think that means 3/12 since elsewhere the tourney dates were 3/11-13.
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R 1 029 Martinelli (Hahn)
R 1 659 Hahn (Martinelli)
R 2 1110 Serra (Hahn)
R 2 1904 Hahn (Martinelli, Marsh)
R 3 1401 Meyer (Greco, Bailey)
S 3 1430 Sweet (MacCormack, Mariano)
R 3 1607 Ens (McCutcheon, Jack)
R 3 1708 Hahn (Serra, Marsh)
If any of the scoring was changed after the game, I wouldn't have entered it. I won't copy the penalties.
IcHN says RPI won 7-1. Even more convincingly, my game program has it as 7-1 in RPI's favor.
R 1 029 Martinelli (Hahn)
R 1 659 Hahn (Martinelli)
R 2 1110 Serra (Hahn)
R 2 1904 Hahn (Martinelli, Marsh)
R 3 1401 Meyer (Greco, Bailey)
S 3 1430 Sweet (MacCormack, Mariano)
R 3 1607 Ens (McCutcheon, Jack)
R 3 1708 Hahn (Serra, Marsh)
If any of the scoring was changed after the game, I wouldn't have entered it. I won't copy the penalties.
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I found the discrepancy. RPI and SLU played on 2/9/74 and 2/23/74. The scores were 6-3 SLU and 7-1 RPI with both teams winning at home. St. Lawrence believes that they played in Troy and then in Canton. Rensselaer claims that they played in Canton and then in Troy. Ralph, your records show that the game in Troy was played on the 23rd? That would mean that both the D-III and Overall Playup Belts need to be adjusted to what bumpreader provided.
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it says the 23rd on the front cover of the program quite clearly.
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