The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

[bumpreader]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

I checked the playup belt and found the following:

03/29/1980 North Dakota ((may be 03/28/1980 (unlikely))

3/29 is definitely correct, the NCAA record book and newspapers at the time both agree.

< 12/12/1992 Minnesota Duluth
< 02/12/1993 Michigan Tech (may be 02/13/1993)
---
> 12/12/1992 Minnesota Duluth
> 01/16/1993 Denver
> 02/12/1993 Michigan Tech

I think you lost a line here. Michigan Tech beat Denver on 2/12/93. 2/12 is the correct date: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9302&L=hockey-l&T=0&P=28687

03/20/1999 Denver
10/23/1999 Alaska Anchorage
10/29/1999 Minnesota State
10/30/1999 Alaska Anchorage	
11/12/1999 North Dakota

Denver was not eligible for the playup belt in 1998-99 - that was their first season at the DI level. North Dakota didn't lose to anybody who was eligible for the playup belt from 3/20/99 to 11/12/99, so these can all just be deleted.

< 12/17/2005 Michigan Tech
---
> 12/02/2005 Minnesota Duluth
> 12/09/2005 Colorado College
> 12/10/2005 Minnesota Duluth
> 01/13/2006 Michigan Tech

Mankato lost to UMD on 12/2 before they lost to Tech on 12/17.

In the chaos in October 2008, I got this for belt 1 (St. Cloud's):

10/10/2008 St. Cloud defeated Mercyhurst
10/24/2008 Bemidji State
10/25/2008 St. Cloud
11/01/2008 Minnesota Duluth

and for belt 2 (Minnesota Duluth's):

10/10/2008 Minnesota Duluth ties Lake Superior. Minnesota Duluth wins the shootout
10/11/2008 (merges with Belt 4)
10/24/2008 Alaska Anchorage
10/31/2008 Michigan Tech
11/01/2008 Alaska Anchorage
11/07/2008 Minnesota State
11/14/2008 (merges with Belt 3)

Everything looks good from that point on.

 

[burgie12]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

3/29 is definitely correct, the NCAA record book and newspapers at the time both agree.

Awesome.

I think you lost a line here. Michigan Tech beat Denver on 2/12/93. 2/12 is the correct date: http://lists.maine.edu/cgi/wa?A2=ind9302&L=hockey-l&T=0&P=28687

Right you are.

Denver was not eligible for the playup belt in 1998-99 - that was their first season at the DI level. North Dakota didn't lose to anybody who was eligible for the playup belt from 3/20/99 to 11/12/99, so these can all just be deleted.

I tried to give Denver the Playup Belt many times after they moved back up to DI status, this was just one of the times that I didn't catch myself.

Mankato lost to UMD on 12/2 before they lost to Tech on 12/17.

Good catch.

With regards to the October 2008 madness, I found all your corrections to be correct, so I'll repost it with the correct transfers:

[B]Belt 1:[/B]
10/10/2008 St. Cloud State defeats Mercyhurst
10/24/2008 Bemidji State
10/25/2008 St. Cloud State
11/01/2008 Minnesota Duluth
12/06/2008 (merges with Belt 2)

[B]Belt 2:[/B]
10/10/2008 Minnesota Duluth ties Lake Superior. Minnesota Duluth wins the shootout
10/11/2008 (merges with Belt 4)
10/24/2008 Alaska Anchorage
10/31/2008 Michigan Tech
11/01/2008 Alaska Anchorage
11/07/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6
11/14/2008 (merges with Belt 3)
11/15/2008 Colorado College
11/21/2008 Alaska Anchorage
11/22/2008 Colorado College
12/06/2008 Minnesota Duluth / merges with Belt 1

[B]Belt 3:[/B]
10/10/2008 Lake Superior ties Minnesota Duluth
10/11/2008 Michigan Tech
10/17/2008 Colorado College / merges with Belt 5
11/14/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 2

[B]Belt 4:[/B]
10/10/2008 Northern Michigan defeats Michigan Tech
10/11/2008 Minnesota Duluth / merges with Belt 2

[B]Belt 5:[/B]
10/10/2008 Colorado College defeats Alabama-Huntsville
10/17/2008 (merges with Belt 3)

[B]Belt 6:[/B]
10/10/2008 Minnesota State defeats Bemidji State
10/17/2008 (merges with Original Belt)
11/07/2008 (merges with Belt 2)

[B]Original Belt:[/B]
10/17/2008 Minnesota State / merges with Belt 6

Any comment on Feb 22 or 23, 1952? North Dakota lists their games against Colorado College as 2/23 and 2/24 (Sat and Sun) which might make sense since they played Minnesota the previous weekend and Denver during the week, while CC lists the games as 2/22 and 2/23 (Fri and Sat), which I think is more likely.

 

[burgie12]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

I went further back with the New York Belt, too.

If we assume that one of the five major NY programs (Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Rensselaer, or St. Lawrence) held the NY Belt at the conclusion of the 1963-4 season (which is highly unlikely because it probably got lost along the way with Columbia or some other long extinct program, but if it did, it rested in either the hands of SLU or RPI), then we can trace the belt in the following manner:

Give each of Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Rensselaer, and St. Lawrence a NY Belt heading into the 1964-5 season and see what happens. (I did not give Army a Belt. I probably should have, but they rarely played any of the major programs and most seasons would have passed with them just defending it against Hamilton, a highly boring belt to track.)

Clarkson:

Assume Clarkson finishes 1963-4 season with NY Belt
12/05/1964 (merges with Rensselaer Belt)
12/08/1964 (merges with Cornell Belt)
12/11/1964 Colgate / merges with Colgate Belt

Colgate:

Assume Colgate finishes 1963-4 season with NY Belt
12/11/1964 (merges with Clarkson Belt)

Cornell:

Assume Cornell finishes 1963-4 season with NY Belt
12/05/1964 (merges with St. Lawrence Belt) (may be 12/04/1964)
12/08/1964 Clarkson / merges with Clarkson Belt

Rensselaer:

Assume Rensselaear finishes 1963-4 season with NY Belt
12/05/1964 Clarkson / merges with Clarkson Belt

St. Lawrence:

Assume St. Lawrence finishes 1963-4 season with NY Belt
12/05/1964 Cornell / merges with Cornell Belt (may be 12/04/1964)

What's the moral of the story? Colgate gets the belt on Dec 11, 1964 and we continue to track it from there.

Before I continue to post the rest of the belt, I just want to make sure of a couple things.
1) Concordia isn't in NY / isn't eligible for the Belt because they weren't playing D-I in ~1979-1983, right? Clarkson and Concordia played pretty often, which makes me think that they were semi-local, but I couldn't find a Concordia in New York and I don't know of a Concordia that played D-I (aka they're not listed in augenblick).

2) Oswego State was not playing a D-I schedule in 1980-1981.

If both of those are correct statements, then the NY Belt should go on the following path. Note that I have not triple-checked this, but I'm mildly confident about its path.

12/11/1964 Colgate (Colgate Belt merges with Clarkson Belt)
12/29/1964 Rensselaer
01/06/1965 Cornell
12/07/1965 Clarkson
02/15/1966 Colgate
02/23/1966 Cornell
03/12/1966 Clarkson
11/29/1966 Cornell
12/04/1968 Rensselaer
12/07/1968 Clarkson
02/14/1969 Rensselaer
12/02/1969 Cornell
12/01/1970 Rensselaer
02/12/1971 Clarkson
11/27/1971 St. Lawrence
01/22/1972 Cornell
02/02/1972 Clarkson
02/26/1972 Rensselaer
11/24/1972 Clarkson
11/25/1972 St. Lawrence
12/06/1972 Cornell
12/30/1972 Clarkson
01/16/1973 Colgate
01/24/1973 Rensselaer
02/09/1973 Clarkson
02/27/1973 Cornell
02/02/1974 Rensselaer
02/08/1974 Clarkson
02/20/1974 St. Lawrence
02/23/1974 Rensselaer
03/09/1974 Cornell
01/02/1976 Clarkson
02/03/1976 Colgate
12/07/1976 Clarkson
12/28/1976 Rensselaer
02/04/1977 Clarkson
03/12/1977 Cornell
12/06/1977 St. Lawrence
01/24/1978 Clarkson
02/03/1978 Rensselaer
02/14/1978 Cornell
01/17/1979 Clarkson
01/22/1980 Cornell
02/13/1980 Rensselaer
01/20/1981 Colgate
01/24/1981 Clarkson
02/09/1982 Colgate
02/16/1982 Rensselaer
02/26/1982 Clarkson
03/03/1982 St. Lawrence
03/06/1982 Colgate
03/09/1982 Clarkson
02/08/1983 Colgate
02/22/1983 St. Lawrence
02/28/1983 Clarkson
03/05/1983 St. Lawrence
11/26/1983 Rensselaer
02/24/1984 Clarkson
03/09/1984 Rensselaer
11/16/1984 St. Lawrence
11/30/1984 Colgate
12/01/1984 Clarkson
02/01/1985 Rensselaer
02/01/1986 St. Lawrence
02/07/1986 Cornell
11/14/1986 Army
11/15/1986 Colgate
11/22/1986 St. Lawrence
12/10/1986 Clarkson
12/28/1986 Colgate
01/30/1987 Army
01/31/1987 Cornell
02/06/1987 Clarkson
11/20/1987 Colgate
12/30/1987 Clarkson
01/16/1988 St. Lawrence
01/17/1989 Clarkson
02/03/1989 Colgate
11/28/1989 Cornell
01/23/1990 Colgate
02/23/1990 Rensselaer
03/11/1990 Colgate
11/16/1990 Clarkson
11/27/1990 St. Lawrence
01/19/1991 Clarkson
02/01/1991 Cornell
02/22/1991 Rensselaer
02/23/1991 Colgate
03/02/1991 Cornell
03/09/1991 St. Lawrence
03/10/1991 Clarkson
12/13/1991 St. Lawrence
02/15/1992 Rensselaer
02/21/1992 Cornell
02/22/1992 Union
11/07/1992 Army
10/30/1993 Rensselaer
11/13/1993 St. Lawrence
12/04/1993 Clarkson
02/05/1994 Rensselaer
11/05/1994 Army
11/26/1994 Colgate
01/27/1995 Clarkson
02/17/1995 Cornell
02/18/1995 St. Lawrence
03/07/1995 Cornell
03/11/1995 Clarkson
01/05/1996 Colgate
01/06/1996 St. Lawrence
03/02/1996 Cornell*
12/06/1996 Rensselaer
02/08/1997 Clarkson
03/15/1997 Cornell
12/05/1997 Union
12/06/1997 Colgate
01/19/1998 Cornell
01/31/1998 St. Lawrence
02/14/1998 Rensselaer
03/15/1998 Cornell
11/28/1998 Colgate
12/04/1998 Rensselaer
01/29/1999 St. Lawrence
03/06/1999 Colgate
11/05/1999 Union
11/06/1999 Cornell
11/27/1999 Niagara
11/28/1999 Colgate
02/11/2000 St. Lawrence
11/18/2000 Clarkson
11/25/2000 Cornell
11/26/2000 Niagara
02/20/2001 Canisius
01/11/2002 Niagara
10/18/2002 Union
12/07/2002 Rensselaer
01/17/2003 Colgate
01/18/2003 Union
02/21/2003 Colgate
11/14/2003 St. Lawrence
11/15/2003 Cornell
01/17/2004 Rensselaer
02/06/2004 St. Lawrence
02/07/2004 Union
02/20/2004 Colgate
02/27/2004 Clarkson
02/28/2004 Cornell
03/14/2004 Clarkson
10/29/2004 Niagara
10/30/2004 Clarkson
11/05/2004 Rensselaer
11/06/2004 St. Lawrence
01/21/2005 Rensselaer
02/18/2005 Cornell
11/18/2005 Union
11/19/2005 Colgate
02/03/2006 Cornell
02/10/2006 Clarkson
03/11/2006 Cornell
01/12/2007 St. Lawrence
01/23/2007 Clarkson
02/02/2007 Cornell
02/03/2007 St. Lawrence
10/20/2007 Clarkson
12/01/2007 St. Lawrence
01/18/2008 Cornell
01/20/2008 Clarkson
03/16/2008 Colgate
03/22/2008 Cornell
01/30/2009 St. Lawrence
02/07/2009 Clarkson
02/28/2009 Union
10/30/2009 Rensselaer
10/31/2009 Army
11/06/2009 RIT
12/12/2009 Niagara
01/08/2010 St. Lawrence
01/09/2010 Niagara
10/22/2010 Union
11/13/2010 Rensselaer
01/07/2011 Clarkson
01/08/2011 Union
03/13/2011 Colgate
10/29/2011 Niagara
11/22/2011 Cornell
01/27/2012 Colgate
02/03/2012 Union
02/24/2012 Cornell
02/25/2012 Rensselaer
03/10/2012 Union

* St. Lawrence lists a tie (which doesn't match their reported record) while Cornell lists a win

If Cornell and St. Lawrence tied, then the belt goes along the following path:

01/06/1996 St. Lawrence
11/16/1996 Clarkson
11/23/1996 Union
12/06/1996 Colgate
01/14/1997 Cornell
02/21/1997 Union
03/08/1997 Rensselaer
03/14/1997 Cornell
12/05/1997 Union

The differences from the previously established NY Belt (other than the asterisk):

< 01/29/1999 St. Lawrence
< 03/20/1999 Clarkson
< 11/12/1999 Union
< 11/13/1999 St. Lawrence
< 11/19/1999 Cornell
< 11/27/1999 Niagara
-------------------------
> 01/29/1999 St. Lawrence
> 03/06/1999 Colgate
> 11/05/1999 Union
> 11/06/1999 Cornell
> 11/27/1999 Niagara

and

< 12/12/2009 Niagara
< 10/22/2010 Union
-------------------------
> 12/12/2009 Niagara
> 01/08/2010 St. Lawrence
> 01/09/2010 Niagara
> 10/22/2010 Union

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Before I continue to post the rest of the belt, I just want to make sure of a couple things.
1) Concordia isn't in NY / isn't eligible for the Belt because they weren't playing D-I in ~1979-1983, right? Clarkson and Concordia played pretty often, which makes me think that they were semi-local, but I couldn't find a Concordia in New York and I don't know of a Concordia that played D-I (aka they're not listed in augenblick).

2) Oswego State was not playing a D-I schedule in 1980-1981.

Concordia is in Canada. It was formed by a merger of Sir George Williams and Loyola of Montreal.

Oswego was never D-I.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

I extended the NY Belt history back to Colgate in 1964 and made the two changes that you wrote at the end.

The IcHN says that on 3/2/96 Cornell beat SLU 5-4. There are also discussions about the game from both team's vantage points, both saying that SLU came back from down 4-2 in the second to win 5-4. So I'll omit the *.

 

[Humanoid]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

I extended the NY Belt history back to Colgate in 1964 and made the two changes that you wrote at the end.

The IcHN says that on 3/2/96 Cornell beat SLU 5-4. There are also discussions about the game from both team's vantage points, both saying that SLU came back from down 4-2 in the second to win 5-4. So I'll omit the *.

I'm too lazy to look it up - who has the belt to start this season?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

I'm too lazy to look it up - who has the belt to start this season?

If you mean The Belt, it's BC. Union has the NY Belt.

 

[bumpreader]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

The IcHN doesn't give dates but an article states " "At the Wisconsin site, Minnesota edged the host Badgers in first night action while the next night league champ Michigan Tech, a real front-runner all season, was stunned by upstart North Dakote, 6-4." I think that means 3/12 since elsewhere the tourney dates were 3/11-13.

Can you check the Denver site? If they played across the same three days, I think there's a mistake in the main belt, which went through the Denver site in the 1971 WCHA tournament:

03/06/1971 Michigan State
03/11/1971 Minnesota-Duluth
03/12/1971 Denver

I think that should be 3/12 and 3/13 and that the games went:
3/11 Denver-CC
3/12 MSU-UMD
3/13 Denver-UMD

Both Denver and MSU claim to have played UMD on 3/12 so one of them must be wrong.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

They could have played the same day as the article isn't explicit. "Meanwhile, back at the other WCHA playoff in Denver, the host Pioneers continued their dominance of Colorado College with a 6-3 triumph while MinnDuluth stopped Micigan [sic] State in overtime, 4-3. The matchup between the two winners here produced a 9-3 Denver victory over Duluth."

 

[bumpreader]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

They could have played the same day as the article isn't explicit. "Meanwhile, back at the other WCHA playoff in Denver, the host Pioneers continued their dominance of Colorado College with a 6-3 triumph while MinnDuluth stopped Micigan [sic] State in overtime, 4-3. The matchup between the two winners here produced a 9-3 Denver victory over Duluth."

Rats.

I found this article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=clJRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KDANAAAAIBAJ&pg=5136,2968064

It says Denver beat UMD on Saturday, which would be 3/13. But it doesn't mention the other game at all.

The media guides all agree on 3/11 for CC-Denver and 3/12 for MSU-UMD.

Too bad the original thread is gone, I'm curious how this was resolved originally.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Rats.

I found this article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=clJRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KDANAAAAIBAJ&pg=5136,2968064

It says Denver beat UMD on Saturday, which would be 3/13. But it doesn't mention the other game at all.

The media guides all agree on 3/11 for CC-Denver and 3/12 for MSU-UMD.

Too bad the original thread is gone, I'm curious how this was resolved originally.

I have changed it in my file and on post 3 of this thread.

I have no recollection about what happened on the original thread here but probably someone just made an error. At that time there were a lot fewer media guides available or people who would check them. At least it is just an error of a day, we didn't follow The Belt on an incorrect path for two years.

 

[burgie12]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Hockey East has released BC's schedule. It can be confirmed that BC's first game of the season will be against Northeastern on October 13th.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Any errors?

                   <u>Current Holder</u>         <u>Next Defense</u>[b]
The Belt           Boston College         Northeastern 10/13/2012[/b]
AHA Belt           Air Force              Canisius 10/25/2012
CCHA Belt          Western Michigan       Notre Dame 11/02/2012
ECAC Belt          Union                  Rensselaer 11/02/2012
HEA Belt           Boston College         Northeastern 10/13/2012
WCHA Belt          Minnesota              Michigan Tech 10/19/2012
Ivy Belt           Harvard                Brown 11/02/2012
B1G                Michigan               Michigan State 11/09/2012
NCHC Belt          North Dakota           St. Cloud State 11/09/2012
New England Belt   Boston College         Northeastern 10/13/2012
Massachusetts Belt Merrimack              Northeastern 10/10/2012
Michigan Belt      Western Michigan       Northern Michigan 11/30/2012
Michigan Alternate Northern Michigan      Michigan 11/02/2012
Minnesota Belt     Minnesota              Minnesota State 11/02/2012
New York Belt      Union                  Rensselaer 11/02/2012

 

[lugnut92]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Any errors?

Are we not putting the play-up belt(s) in the daily post?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Are we not putting the play-up belt(s) in the daily post?

I was told not to. Whatever others want. These are them and the Belts that I am not posting.

Beanpot Belt       Boston College         Northeastern 10/13/2012
Red & White Belt   Boston University      Rensselaer 01/04/2013
CHA Belt           Niagara                Robhert Morris 11/17/2012
D-II Playup Belt   Merrimack              Alaska 10/19/2012
D-III Playup Belt  Colorado College       Clarkson 10/12/2012
Playup Belt        Michigan Tech          Lake Superior State 10/11/2012

 

[lugnut92]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Given that you keep track of the belts anyway (Thanks so much for that, by the way), I don't see the point of not posting any given belt. It takes an extra half second of scrolling to get past the belts you don't care about. The only reason I could imagine would be if there were seasons where a belt wouldn't be contested at all, meaning you could just leave it out (at least until the NCAAs start). Whether or not the CHA belt gets actively updated sets a precedent for whether the CCHA belt will be posted after next year.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly would a "play-up" belt be?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly would a "play-up" belt be?

They deal with the D-II and/or D-III schools that play D-I hockey.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Given that you keep track of the belts anyway (Thanks so much for that, by the way), I don't see the point of not posting any given belt. It takes an extra half second of scrolling to get past the belts you don't care about. The only reason I could imagine would be if there were seasons where a belt wouldn't be contested at all, meaning you could just leave it out (at least until the NCAAs start). Whether or not the CHA belt gets actively updated sets a precedent for whether the CCHA belt will be posted after next year.

Some people have said that more Belts dilutes their significance, like everyone making the playoffs. (That is, assuming there is any significance in the first place. )

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The College Hockey Championship Belt Part III

Some people have said that more Belts dilutes their significance, like everyone making the playoffs. (That is, assuming there is any significance in the first place. )

What is this, western-biased people?

Perhaps, as a compromise, just post it once every page or so (20 posts).