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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
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Wonder if there is a booth named "Rent a Coup"?
Starting at $10 million and working up to the trillions, you can get control of the country of your choice.
We supply all the logistical needs to overthrow any government. Results guaranteed or your money (and asylum) back.
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
It seems to me that we don't want to underestimate the determination nor the intelligence of our foes.
One of the first groups of organized terrorists was from over a millenia ago, the Assassins. So we've had Islamist terror for at least that long. Let's assume for the purpose of our own safety that they are just as smart, just as determined, just as disciplined, and just as resourceful as we are.
One thing I'd be really wary of from their recruitment is for them to make their missions into a real-life version of some video game. Get a few disaffected young men, "hey, why blow up stuff on your computer when you can blow up stuff for real" but have them plan and prepare and act out their missions just as if they were on screen at a keyboard solving some puzzle.
The corollary to viewing them as just as determined as we are is the following: when Osama masterminded the 9-11 attack, we didn't stop until we got him. Why would we expect them to be any different? Now that we took out Osama, isn't it reasonable to expect that they would re-double their efforts and become even more determined to avenge him?
Killing Osama did not "end" the war on Terror, it escalated the war into a new and more dangerous phase.
I don't suggest this thought as a political matter but as a practical one. I'd rather be wrong. Events since zero dark thirty indicate otherwise however.
It seems to me that we don't want to underestimate the determination nor the intelligence of our foes.
One of the first groups of organized terrorists was from over a millenia ago, the Assassins. So we've had Islamist terror for at least that long. Let's assume for the purpose of our own safety that they are just as smart, just as determined, just as disciplined, and just as resourceful as we are.
One thing I'd be really wary of from their recruitment is for them to make their missions into a real-life version of some video game. Get a few disaffected young men, "hey, why blow up stuff on your computer when you can blow up stuff for real" but have them plan and prepare and act out their missions just as if they were on screen at a keyboard solving some puzzle.
The corollary to viewing them as just as determined as we are is the following: when Osama masterminded the 9-11 attack, we didn't stop until we got him. Why would we expect them to be any different? Now that we took out Osama, isn't it reasonable to expect that they would re-double their efforts and become even more determined to avenge him?
Killing Osama did not "end" the war on Terror, it escalated the war into a new and more dangerous phase.
I don't suggest this thought as a political matter but as a practical one. I'd rather be wrong. Events since zero dark thirty indicate otherwise however.
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
Hmm...last Monday we had the bombs in Boston. Then the Canadians capture two people who were planning to bomb a train. Today the government in Spain announces they have captured two people who were planning to bomb the Madrid Marathon (heard on TV news). I hope no one in authority is going to pretend these are all coincidences!
Hmm...last Monday we had the bombs in Boston. Then the Canadians capture two people who were planning to bomb a train. Today the government in Spain announces they have captured two people who were planning to bomb the Madrid Marathon (heard on TV news). I hope no one in authority is going to pretend these are all coincidences!
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
In the 21st century, there is little threat from cold war, there is little threat from hot war...the real threat is from malicious individuals as the masses are harder to control than they have been in previous times.
In the 21st century, there is little threat from cold war, there is little threat from hot war...the real threat is from malicious individuals as the masses are harder to control than they have been in previous times.
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
The esteemed Pat Buchanan weighs in: http://buchanan.org/blog/the-dark-side-of-diversity-5546
However, it strikes me that if we close the borders to people from Muslim countries and let them stew in their own juice, we're putting our (no pun intended) heads in the sand and ignoring the problem. Are we headed for a 5th Crusade? Gawd, I hope not, yet something must be done about a group that likes to kill those not like them.
The esteemed Pat Buchanan weighs in: http://buchanan.org/blog/the-dark-side-of-diversity-5546
However, it strikes me that if we close the borders to people from Muslim countries and let them stew in their own juice, we're putting our (no pun intended) heads in the sand and ignoring the problem. Are we headed for a 5th Crusade? Gawd, I hope not, yet something must be done about a group that likes to kill those not like them.
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
especially from malicious individuals who happen to be tyrannical dictators. US intel also now confirms that Syria's Assad used sarin gas.
Obama said "I don't bluff." he also said that the use of chemical weapons in Syria was a "red line" that they shouldn't dare try to cross.
Was he bluffing after all?
so far his only response has been to declare that we need to go to the UN for an investigation.....
especially from malicious individuals who happen to be tyrannical dictators. US intel also now confirms that Syria's Assad used sarin gas.
Obama said "I don't bluff." he also said that the use of chemical weapons in Syria was a "red line" that they shouldn't dare try to cross.
Was he bluffing after all?
so far his only response has been to declare that we need to go to the UN for an investigation.....
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
I wouldn't trust Obama with a ten foot pole, regardless of whose side I'm on. Then again, I don't trust anyone. Not even myself.
I wouldn't trust Obama with a ten foot pole, regardless of whose side I'm on. Then again, I don't trust anyone. Not even myself.
How about a six foot Kenyan??
FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
Like the words to the B.B. King song: "Nobody loves me but my mother, and she could be jivin' too."
Like the words to the B.B. King song: "Nobody loves me but my mother, and she could be jivin' too."
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Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
Obviously it's not to scale, but there were signs galore to 9/11. Unfortunately, we will never be 100% clear of these events.
Obviously it's not to scale, but there were signs galore to 9/11. Unfortunately, we will never be 100% clear of these events.
I'm going to put you on the spot here Fishy and ask a simple question. What would you like the US to do in Syria? Military intervention? No-fly zone?
I'm curious because it seems some neo-cons, John McCain in particular, don't seem to have learned the lessons of Iraq yet. Since you brought it up, lets see if you fall into that camp.
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
I'd have done things differently not only there but in Iran also going back to the Green Revolution. There are plenty of options in between "ineffectual hand-wringing" and "all-out assault." To have someone mis-manage the situation for years and then say, "how would you extract us from this mess now?"
The question I'd put to you Over is why in the world would Obama ever say "I don't bluff" to begin with? That was a very thoughtless thing to say since he never needed to say it to begin with.
I'd have done things differently not only there but in Iran also going back to the Green Revolution. There are plenty of options in between "ineffectual hand-wringing" and "all-out assault." To have someone mis-manage the situation for years and then say, "how would you extract us from this mess now?"
The question I'd put to you Over is why in the world would Obama ever say "I don't bluff" to begin with? That was a very thoughtless thing to say since he never needed to say it to begin with.
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
POTUS drew a line in the sand and now it looks like he erased it. In diplomacy (and parenting) never make threats, only promises. Though I wonder, that if national survival is at stake (and who decides that?) do you leave the cork in the bottle?
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POTUS drew a line in the sand and now it looks like he erased it. In diplomacy (and parenting) never make threats, only promises. Though I wonder, that if national survival is at stake (and who decides that?) do you leave the cork in the bottle?
But did he say what he was going to do? You tell kid, do your homework 'or else'. He/she doesn't do their homework. You left the consequences vague, so you have some leeway, correct? It could be anything from a spanking to no desert after dinner, but you need not deliver the most extreme punishment. That concept is getting lost here.
This is why I put the neo-cons on the spot. Its easy to complain about all things Obama, but what's their solution? That's what I'm not hearing too much of out here.
So, the US could simply ramp up non-military aid and share some logistical info with the rebels about Assad backed troop movements for example. However, I absolutely would not start getting involved with any US personnel in that country. That includes boots on the ground or a no fly zone which wouldn't have much use anyway. I'm also extremely reluctant to start sending in arms. What I find funny is that the same ideology that preaches personal responsibility for its citizens wants to intervene at the drop of a hat on behalf of people overseas. I too don't like the carnage over there, but the problem of Syria's govt must be solved by Syrians. The minute the US gets heavily involved the opposition pivots to the usual American Imperialism schlock to justify their continued existence. We don't need to create that "out" for the regime.
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!
Motto: We kill people for what they do, not for who they are.
So basically he makes a speech that said nothing?
Motto: We kill people for what they do, not for who they are.
He made a speech saying there would be consequences for using chemical weapons. I don't recall him spelling out exaactly what those consequences would be, but if someone has that info I'd love to see it. I don't know what he has planned as me and the O don't speak as much as we did before the election.
However Obama's foreign policy decisions have been pretty good and he's 100% right to be very reluctant to get involved in Syria. That's why I keep pressing the conservatives to say exactly how they would intervene in that country's civil war. Complaining is easy. Taking sides in an internal struggle in a hostile Middle Eastern country is not.- Status