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The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

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As usual I'm more than a bit bemused out of my knuckledragger friends. I think I can sum up conservatism's position as such: "we don't know what to do, we just know whatever Obama does is wrong". :D Americans want solutions not whining, and recall the feeling you had going into election day last year, then the feeling you had when the results started rolling in...

There's a reason why conservatives have the popularity of sh ! t and the trust level of used car salesmen. Simply put the ideology has lost its brain and its balls, so I'm not sure what good it is. However, to the subject at hand:

Obama said he wanted to punish Assad so that would never use chemical weapons again. This proposal put forth takes away his chemical weapons from his hands and has them destroyed via a UN resolution supported by the international community. What exactly is the problem here? He got what he wanted out of a nearly impossible situation. I'm sorry for you knucks' if the US didn't suffer an embarrasing defeat, as clearly you're willing to side with Assad over Obama but as I said before, be careful who you choose to get into bed with.

Obviously we need to verify, but the funny thing is the simplistic people on the right who feel that international diplomacy is a staged event like a WWF wresting match. Its not, and while the Russians may have called the US' bluff on giving up the WMD's, the French called the Russians bluff on going thru the UN. End result - exactly what we wanted without putting troops in harms way.

It's really rather charming, your willingness to give two of the world's worst thugs the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy has bought himself some time here, hoping we'll forget his high tone rhetoric about punishing Assad, as we engage in endless negotiations about the nature of your precious "verification" (how many, who, when, where, etc). After enough time has passed, we'll turn our attention to the latest George Zimmerman "scandal" and Assad will still have WMD. Perhaps a diminished stockpile. But he'll still have them. At some point he'll declare the weapons inspectors have exceeded their mandate (the Russians will agree) and order them out of the country. And the tower of jello in the WH will do. . .nothing.

It was a year ago today he began lying about what happened at Benghazi--and he hasn't stopped yet. You should be so proud.
 
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And the point is...?

If its people don't want to get involved in another Middle East war after a decade plus of fighting two of them, no sh ! t Sherlock. Small wonder polls also wouldn't be too happy about a President advocating such a thing. Problem is you can't take a referendum every time a crisis arises. Not sure how much Americans were itching to confront Hitler either pre-Pearl Harbor. Good thing FDR didn't use that as an excuse to leave England high and dry.

(and yes Sparky, before you go all Bluto Blutarski on me I do know that the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor)
The point is that the empty suit has painted himself into a corner behind his red line and didn't have a way out until Vlad took Kerrry's gaffe and turned it on this administration, that is so laughably inept that it could organize a one-car funeral procession.
 
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

And the point is...?

If its people don't want to get involved in another Middle East war after a decade plus of fighting two of them, no sh ! t Sherlock. Small wonder polls also wouldn't be too happy about a President advocating such a thing. Problem is you can't take a referendum every time a crisis arises. Not sure how much Americans were itching to confront Hitler either pre-Pearl Harbor. Good thing FDR didn't use that as an excuse to leave England high and dry.

(and yes Sparky, before you go all Bluto Blutarski on me I do know that the Germans didn't bomb Pearl Harbor)
I think the British show "World at War" said Americans were against the war by a 9-to-1 margin in the summer of 1940. Even after Pearl Harbor, people weren't convinced we should go to war with Germany. It was only after Hitler declared war on the US that the Congress did likewise. If Hitler had just minded his own business, America would have stood by while he exterminated a quarter of the people in Europe.
 
It's really rather charming, your willingness to give two of the world's worst thugs the benefit of the doubt. Jimmy has bought himself some time here, hoping we'll forget his high tone rhetoric about punishing Assad, as we engage in endless negotiations about the nature of your precious "verification" (how many, who, when, where, etc). After enough time has passed, we'll turn our attention to the latest George Zimmerman "scandal" and Assad will still have WMD. Perhaps a diminished stockpile. But he'll still have them. At some point he'll declare the weapons inspectors have exceeded their mandate (the Russians will agree) and order them out of the country. And the tower of jello in the WH will do. . .nothing.

It was a year ago today he began lying about what happened at Benghazi--and he hasn't stopped yet. You should be so proud.


Ahhh Opie. Still hoping Benghazi will turn into Watergate, are we? You just go on hoping, although one has to wonder when Congressman Grand Theft Auto is going to schedule that public hearing he promised 6 months ago with Mullen and Pickering. I mean, if its a cover up, don't we have a right to know? :confused:

But you bring up an interesting point, which is can we accuse any President of weakness if they negotiate with an enemy? So, Nixon-Breznev, Reagan-Gorbachev, etc.

Let me bring this home for you. World leaders are going to act according to their self interest. Assad doesn't want to get bombed. Putin wants to enhance his standing on the world stage. Neither of them can do anything militarily to stop the US from bombing. So, its in their best interests to give up the chemical weapons, which was Obama's goal all along.

Lets use the USCHO message board as an example. You would like to see a neo-conartist kingdom on Earth and a return to rock-ribbed conservative values. However, you also realize your movement is plagued by idiots. I feel neo-cons are idiots, and would like all of you to go away. Good so far?

Now lets say someone like Fishy comes along and says so many nonsensical things that he hurts your cause. On the flip side, everybody's collective IQ is diminished by reading his posts, so I want him gone too. Gee whiz, even though we both don't trust each other, collaborating to get Fishy committed to the puzzle house happens to be in both of our best interests! Same situation with Syria, with me being Obama, you being Putin and Fishy as Assad. :D
 
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Ahhh Opie. Still hoping Benghazi will turn into Watergate, are we? You just go on hoping, although one has to wonder when Congressman Grand Theft Auto is going to schedule that public hearing he promised 6 months ago with Mullen and Pickering. I mean, if its a cover up, don't we have a right to know? :confused:

But you bring up an interesting point, which is can we accuse any President of weakness if they negotiate with an enemy? So, Nixon-Breznev, Reagan-Gorbachev, etc.

Let me bring this home for you. World leaders are going to act according to their self interest. Assad doesn't want to get bombed. Putin wants to enhance his standing on the world stage. Neither of them can do anything militarily to stop the US from bombing. So, its in their best interests to give up the chemical weapons, which was Obama's goal all along.

Lets use the USCHO message board as an example. You would like to see a neo-conartist kingdom on Earth and a return to rock-ribbed conservative values. However, you also realize your movement is plagued by idiots. I feel neo-cons are idiots, and would like all of you to go away. Good so far?

Now lets say someone like Fishy comes along and says so many nonsensical things that he hurts your cause. On the flip side, everybody's collective IQ is diminished by reading his posts, so I want him gone too. Gee whiz, even though we both don't trust each other, collaborating to get Fishy committed to the puzzle house happens to be in both of our best interests! Same situation with Syria, with me being Obama, you being Putin and Fishy as Assad. :D

I repeat, it's rather charming, this belief of yours that Assad's going to "give up" his WMD. Can you, in your perpetual "ends justify the means" preening, comprehend that guys like Assad (who wakes up every morning wondering who he has to betray, imprison, torture or murder to keep his a*s in that big chair at the head of the table) sometimes don't tell the truth, don't negotiate in good faith and don't follow through on agreements?

And it's delusional at best to compare Nixon and Reagan to "Mr. reset, lead from behind, Nobel Peace Prize Winner". Nobody but you and Bill Ayers would buy that one. Please recall Nixon bombing the crap out of Hanoi when North Vietnam balked at signing the peace accords. Or Reagan ordering naval maneuvers in the Gulf of Sidra after Carter cancelled them, so as not to cross Gadaffi's "line of death". I think I'm going to change HIM's first name from Jimmy to Neville.

We don't need congressional hearings. We know that Neville delivered a whimpering grovel of a speech, designed to placate his Muslim friends in the Arab kleptocracies (and a pander to Muslims everywhere) before the UN General Assembly. In it, he lied six times about what happened that awful night in Benghazi. As Neville's spokesman later said: "What difference, at this point, does it make?" Indeed.
 
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I think the British show "World at War" said Americans were against the war by a 9-to-1 margin in the summer of 1940. Even after Pearl Harbor, people weren't convinced we should go to war with Germany. It was only after Hitler declared war on the US that the Congress did likewise. If Hitler had just minded his own business, America would have stood by while he exterminated a quarter of the people in Europe.

One of the great unanswered questions, isn't it? We'll never know, because the Bavarian corporal answered it for us. From the minutes of the Wannsee Conference we know he planned to kill every Jew in Europe (a number they reckoned at around 11 million, IIRC). He also had dire plans for the remaining "untermenschen."

Just for the record, I regard "World at War" as a great broadcast milestone. On the other hand, the producers saw fit to interview traitor and communist spy Alger Hiss for his perspective on President Truman. There can be no reason for doing that other than offering their simpering opinion on how "badly" Hiss was treated. Instead of offering a sly effort to rehabilitate Hiss, perhaps they could have provided an analysis of: Guy Burgess, Donald McLean, Kim Philby, Anthony Blunt and John Cairncross. Those guys did far more than go to "a couple of meetings" in college.
 
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And the point is...?

If its people don't want to get involved in another Middle East war after a decade plus of fighting two of them, no sh ! t Sherlock.
I can't help it. This statement reminded me of my favorite Bill Clinton joke, from about 20 years ago.

Bill Clinton takes office as President, and on his first vacation heads to Cape Cod.

Early one morning he's out running on the beach and stumbles across this strange looking bottle. He pops the cork, and of course, a genie emerges.

Genie: "Thank you, thank you. I've been trapped in that bottle for ages. For your kindness, I will grant you one wish. Whatever you want. Name it."

Bill Clinton: "Follow me."

Bill leads the genie up to the house and into the office where he's been working. There on the desk numerous papers, including maps, are spread out.

Bill Clinton: "What you are looking at is a map of an area we call the Middle East. People, tribes, nations in this area have literally been fighting since the beginning of time. The constant wars have caused untold misery. These problems have bedeviled seemingly every President, and I don't want it to cause the same to me. For my wish I would like you to bring everlasting peace to the Middle East."

Genie: "What, are you crazy? No one can bring peace to the Middle East. Impossible. I won't even try. Make another wish."

Bill Clinton: "Well, alright. Then I guess for my wish I ask that my daughter Chelsea grows up to be the most beautiful woman in the world."

Genie: "Let me take another look at that map of the Middle East."
 
Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

I can't help it. This statement reminded me of my favorite Bill Clinton joke, from about 20 years ago.

Bill Clinton takes office as President, and on his first vacation heads to Cape Cod.

Early one morning he's out running on the beach and stumbles across this strange looking bottle. He pops the cork, and of course, a genie emerges.

Genie: "Thank you, thank you. I've been trapped in that bottle for ages. For your kindness, I will grant you one wish. Whatever you want. Name it."

Bill Clinton: "Follow me."

Bill leads the genie up to the house and into the office where he's been working. There on the desk numerous papers, including maps, are spread out.

Bill Clinton: "What you are looking at is a map of an area we call the Middle East. People, tribes, nations in this area have literally been fighting since the beginning of time. The constant wars have caused untold misery. These problems have bedeviled seemingly every President, and I don't want it to cause the same to me. For my wish I would like you to bring everlasting peace to the Middle East."

Genie: "What, are you crazy? No one can bring peace to the Middle East. Impossible. I won't even try. Make another wish."

Bill Clinton: "Well, alright. Then I guess for my wish I ask that my daughter Chelsea grows up to be the most beautiful woman in the world."

Genie: "Let me take another look at that map of the Middle East."

To be fair, however, she's turned out way better than geo-political expert Amy Carter.
 
Meanwhile, your guy is such a hit with Americans of all stripes. Oh wait....

I propose they start any of these surveys by requiring the respondent to first find Syria on a map and be able to construct one understandable sentence on the subject.

I really don't care if somebody rushing home from the mall to watch 16 and Pregnant thinks we should/should not do anything in terms of foreign policy.
 
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Oh yeah... You know what, that explains a lot.

Hillary has much bigger balls than Kerry. He's so worried about finding out today's marching orders from "Vladimir" Putin that he forgot who he works for. Again, what's the worst Putin could do to us if we refused to obey?
Make our gays Russian citizens?
Stop caviar exports?
Challenge HIM to a Judo match?
 
I repeat, it's rather charming, this belief of yours that Assad's going to "give up" his WMD. Can you, in your perpetual "ends justify the means" preening, comprehend that guys like Assad (who wakes up every morning wondering who he has to betray, imprison, torture or murder to keep his a*s in that big chair at the head of the table) sometimes don't tell the truth, don't negotiate in good faith and don't follow through on agreements?

And it's delusional at best to compare Nixon and Reagan to "Mr. reset, lead from behind, Nobel Peace Prize Winner". Nobody but you and Bill Ayers would buy that one. Please recall Nixon bombing the crap out of Hanoi when North Vietnam balked at signing the peace accords. Or Reagan ordering naval maneuvers in the Gulf of Sidra after Carter cancelled them, so as not to cross Gadaffi's "line of death". I think I'm going to change HIM's first name from Jimmy to Neville.

We don't need congressional hearings. We know that Neville delivered a whimpering grovel of a speech, designed to placate his Muslim friends in the Arab kleptocracies (and a pander to Muslims everywhere) before the UN General Assembly. In it, he lied six times about what happened that awful night in Benghazi. As Neville's spokesman later said: "What difference, at this point, does it make?" Indeed.

Do you realize how much of a stereotype you are for your generation? A tired old geezer spewing out ridiculous nonsense and then being flabbergasted when nobody but your fellow nursing home residents buy into it? I'm sorry the world has passed you by, that people in hindsight now realize Reagan was senile for a good bit of his Presidency, and that conservatism is a dying ideology. However, how does your relentless Muslim-baiting make you any different than the conservatives of the 60's to the 80's who were blaming blacks for all of society's problems?

Regarding Assad however, if its in his best interests to give up the weapons, he will do so. Otherwise he'll be screwing the only patrons he has left (Russia) and will be left standing alone when the bombs start flying. It ain't any more complicated than that.

Finally, I see you've made your way all the way back to Neville Chamberlain, a guy who I believe left office in 1940. If most people don't even remember Carter's Presidency (a guy who left office 32 years ago) good luck with that analogy! Perhaps you could join this century like the rest of us? After all, there WAS a Republican President elected in the new millenium. You remember his name, right? :D
 
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However, how does your relentless Muslim-baiting make you any different than the conservatives of the 60's to the 80's who were blaming blacks for all of society's problems?

Well, first of all, blacks weren't actively trying to destroy us. So there's that.
 
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Really, there's a complete "religion" invented on the premise of "kill whitey to get free virgins" and you don't have any problem with that?
 
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Really, there's a complete "religion" invented on the premise of "kill whitey to get free virgins" and you don't have any problem with that?

Really? A whole religion? Where is that written? Sounds like an epic book!

Of course, any religion that doesn't recognize the Greatness and Wisdom of the Almighty FSM and his Noodly Appendage is just another fraud in my eyes.

ETA: What happens if they kill Blacks, Native Americans, Asians etc? They're only supposed to kill white people? Do they get docked a virgin for each one they accidentally kill?
 
Really, there's a complete "religion" invented on the premise of "kill whitey to get free virgins" and you don't have any problem with that?

Yeah, those dang Indonesians. Their religion is all about "killing whitey."

Islamic terrorism has as much to do with Islam as the KKK has to do with Christianity.
 
Really, there's a complete "religion" invented on the premise of "kill whitey to get free virgins" and you don't have any problem with that?

Yes I do have a problem with that geezer, having several really good friends from grad school who are Muslim I'm not too thrilled to hear everybody labeled as a terrorist. In fact did you ever consider that the people who are usually on the receiving end of these attacks also tend to be Muslims?

So, what's the largest Muslim country out there? Indonesia. Are the Indonesians our enemy? How about the Jordanians? Kuwaitis? Qataris? Moroccans? Bosnians?

People have been killing people under a perverted view of religion since the dawn of time, and its happened in most religions. In this current conflict anybody looking to harm American gets to eat a drone. However, saying every one of them subscribes to radical Islam is pretty stupid, and people who think that really need to start hanging around with a more diverse crowd than the guys over at the John Birch Society.
 
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Admittedly, I'm not a scholar of global "Islamism". But those virgin-chasing ones are the ones that get all the press, and have stated multiple times that the purpose Islamism exists is to destroy western culture by killing the wrong ones. If there are peaceful ones, I don't know if they can still call themselves "Islamic" or not without a fight amongst each other, have to check the "Koran" if you need further guidance.
 
Admittedly, I'm not a scholar of global "Islamism". But those virgin-chasing ones are the ones that get all the press, and have stated multiple times that the purpose Islamism exists is to destroy western culture by killing the wrong ones. If there are peaceful ones, I don't know if they can still call themselves "Islamic" or not without a fight amongst each other, have to check the "Koran" if you need further guidance.

It probably says goose stepping morons should try reading books rather than burning them.
 
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