The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The 4th Global War on Terror - Deja vu all over again!

Nowadays, we'd be apologizing and Putin would send the USA a bill for the missiles.

To the contrary, let's recall that actual American citizens died on that flight. So your wisecrack about "The One" dilly-dallying on solving the Syria crisis is pretty much a non sequitur in regards to a hypothetical modern version of KAL007.

 

[Old Pio]

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To the contrary, let's recall that actual American citizens died on that flight. So your wisecrack about "The One" dilly-dallying on solving the Syria crisis is pretty much a non sequitur in regards to a hypothetical modern version of KAL007.

No doubt about it: Neville would be much more forceful in dealing with the Russians in a hypothetical repeat of that atrocity. Like Reagan, however, he would explore means to punish them other than "unbelievably small" air strikes. Or any kind of air strikes, for that matter. This president has repeatedly announced his intention to reduce America's role in world affairs. And he is succeeding admirably. He's even helped elevate the profile and standing of an unapologetic thug. Nice work.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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No doubt about it: Neville would be much more forceful in dealing with the Russians in a hypothetical repeat of that atrocity. Like Reagan, however, he would explore means to punish them other than "unbelievably small" air strikes. Or any kind of air strikes, for that matter. This president has repeatedly announced his intention to reduce America's role in world affairs. And he is succeeding admirably. He's even helped elevate the profile and standing of an unapologetic thug. Nice work.

Not sure Putin's role in this will even be remembered by most people in five years. Especially as long as the General Secretary's ironclad reign continues unabashed under a string of obvious puppets.

 

[joecct]

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Not sure Putin's role in this will even be remembered by most people in five years. Especially as long as the General Secretary's ironclad reign continues unabashed under a string of obvious puppets.

If Vlad had his way, he'd be in the Church of St. Stephen's being anointed by the Patriarch as Tsar Vlad.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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If Vlad had his way, he'd be in the Church of St. Stephen's being anointed by the Patriarch as Tsar Vlad.

You have to admit, his rise to power was pretty easy. All Putin had to do was keep Yeltsin's vodka glass filled to the brim, and he got to pull the strings that led to his emergence.

Speak of the devil:

McCain to strike back in 'Pravda'

I'm sure Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of a lecture from McCain.

 

[XYZ]

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You have to admit, his rise to power was pretty easy. All Putin had to do was keep Yeltsin's vodka glass filled to the brim, and he got to pull the strings that led to his emergence.

Speak of the devil:

McCain to strike back in 'Pravda'

I'm sure Putin is quaking in his boots at the thought of a lecture from McCain.

The article doesn't specify but I wonder if that's the print or online version. I'm assuming online as the two versions aren't related to each other. The print version is an arts and entertainment rag while the online version is the political one run by all the state spokesholes that Yeltsin threw out of the country. After being welcomed back in by Putin shortly after he was first elected...they fired the operation back up in online form.

At least that was the situation as of a few years ago. I've tried to ignore these things over the past few years so my apologies if something has changed recently and my info is off.

Pravda.ru always amuses me as the stories it decides to feature are decidedly different from those it throws up on english.pravda.ru

Edit: Looks like there is also a print version that's in cahoots with the online one. Meh, whatever, I'm rusty. Can't wait for McCain to give them a case of the what for.

 

[XYZ]

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You have to admit, his rise to power was pretty easy. All Putin had to do was keep Yeltsin's vodka glass filled to the brim, and he got to pull the strings that led to his emergence.

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[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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*snip*

Thanks for that. I couldn't decide whether to laugh or vomit at the mural of him with angel's wings.

 

[Old Pio]

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Well, it couldn't be the Jouix.

Ask Cynthia McKinney.

 

[Old Pio]

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The article doesn't specify but I wonder if that's the print or online version. I'm assuming online as the two versions aren't related to each other. The print version is an arts and entertainment rag while the online version is the political one run by all the state spokesholes that Yeltsin threw out of the country. After being welcomed back in by Putin shortly after he was first elected...they fired the operation back up in online form.

At least that was the situation as of a few years ago. I've tried to ignore these things over the past few years so my apologies if something has changed recently and my info is off.

Pravda.ru always amuses me as the stories it decides to feature are decidedly different from those it throws up on english.pravda.ru

Edit: Looks like there is also a print version that's in cahoots with the online one. Meh, whatever, I'm rusty. Can't wait for McCain to give them a case of the what for.

There's the old joke about the match race between a Russian and American race car to determine world supremacy. Pravda reported it as follows: The Russian car took second. The American car came in next to last.

 

[Rover]

No doubt about it: Neville would be much more forceful in dealing with the Russians in a hypothetical repeat of that atrocity. Like Reagan, however, he would explore means to punish them other than "unbelievably small" air strikes. Or any kind of air strikes, for that matter. This president has repeatedly announced his intention to reduce America's role in world affairs. And he is succeeding admirably. He's even helped elevate the profile and standing of an unapologetic thug. Nice work.

Sooo....what exactly did Reagan do to punish the Soviets over that incident? A strong tongue lashing by his UN Ambassador? Isn't that kinda wimpy?



That's the beauty of arguing with knuckledraggers. They always contradict themselves.

 

[joecct]

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Shooting - with fatalities at Washington Navy Yard.

MSNBC put its location on the wrong side of the river.

All the networks love to speculate. Wish they'd stick to the facts.

 

[St. Clown]

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Shooting - with fatalities at Washington Navy Yard.

MSNBC put its location on the wrong side of the river.

All the networks love to speculate. Wish they'd stick to the facts.

I want to hear from the first one of the talking heads that sincerely suggests that we need to restrict or ban guns on military premises.

 

[Old Pio]

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I want to hear from the first one of the talking heads that sincerely suggests that we need to restrict or ban guns on military premises.

DOD has already done it. Only security personnel are routinely armed. None of the GI's slaughtered by "Dr." Hasan was armed. Otherwise, someone would have carried out his death sentence on the spot.

 

[FreshFish]

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Who [else] would ever surrender when they are winning? !*$#&*@#!

What the f^ck could they possibly have been thinking in Geneva last weekend?

 

[SteveP]

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Who [else] would ever surrender when they are winning? !*$#&*@#!

What the f^ck could they possibly have been thinking in Geneva last weekend?

Hey, it worked in Munich....oh, never mind.

 

[Rover]

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Who [else] would ever surrender when they are winning? !*$#&*@#!

What the f^ck could they possibly have been thinking in Geneva last weekend?

Umm....what would you have us do Fishy, bomb Iran immediately? Seems you'd want to encourage the more moderate leadership over there to allow inspections....unless you long for yet another Middle East war.

 

[FreshFish]

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Umm....what would you have us do [Mr.] Fish?

Now, what would you have us do, Smartest Poster on the Board?

Don't tell me you support this capitulation?

No, I would not bomb Iran immediately; "trust but verify" has worked quite well before. the proposed agreement does not do that, at all!

You tell us what you would do first this time, then I'll tell you what I'd do (which is what the bi-partisan majority in the Senate also would do, though of course you are far smarter than anyone there, perhaps you have a better idea?)


Seriously, you cannot possibly support what they just agreed to in Geneva, can you?


At least at Munich, Chamberlain didn't have an army or an air force to back him up, and Germany wasn't suffering from sanctions. There is no such excuse here. When both Saudi Arabia and Israel object so strongly, you have to suspect that they know what they are doing, since their very existence is at stake.

 

[Rover]

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Now, what would you have us do, Smartest Poster on the Board?

Don't tell me you support this capitulation?

No, I would not bomb Iran immediately; "trust but verify" has worked quite well before. the proposed agreement does not do that, at all!

You tell us what you would do first this time, then I'll tell you what I'd do (which is what the bi-partisan majority in the Senate also would do, though of course you are far smarter than anyone there, perhaps you have a better idea?)


Seriously, you cannot possibly support what they just agreed to in Geneva, can you?


At least at Munich, Chamberlain didn't have an army or an air force to back him up, and Germany wasn't suffering from sanctions. There is no such excuse here. When both Saudi Arabia and Israel object so strongly, you have to suspect that they know what they are doing, since their very existence is at stake.

For starters, I don't care what the Saudis or Israel thinks. Both of those countries are free to take any action they'd like vs Iran, instead of expecting the US to do it for them.

What you're fundamentally missing in your straight-from-Rush's-show "analysis" is that the deal changes nothing long term. If in 6 months the Iranians don't comply, we're back to where we were last week. In fact, even harsher sanctions most likely get put into place. So, lets take it step by step, shall we?

1) The point of sanctions is to force negotations. Sanctions have no effect on Iran's ability to manufacture nuclear material. If they did we wouldn't be in this situation, no?

2) Given that these sanctions have achieved their goal of getting Iran back to the table coupled with more moderate leadership, why wouldn't be take a flyer on a 6 month, lets see how serious they are, deal. Lets say Iran allows unfettered daily access and it turns out they are complying. Great, onto a bigger agreement. Lets say they aren't. Great, onto more sanctions.

3) The fundamental problem with neo-conservatism/knuckledraggerism is its certainty in the righteousness of a full scale ground invasion of its enemies. Had Bush II taken Saddam's offer of completely unfettered inspections backed up at the point of a gun by US troops, we could have avoided a disasterous war that cost 5,000 lives and 1T dollars. I don't know about you, but most people would have considered that to be a good thing.

4) Lastly, you know you're dealing with stupidity with the whole Munich/Chamberlain nonsense. Iran has no massive army to take over the continent nor is this deal allowing them to annex its neighbors. I figured a student of history like yourself who was probably alive in 1938 would have the ability to see the vast differences.

 

[FreshFish]

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...[totally evading the question]....

Nice rhetoric. The question remains: what would you have us do? You adroitly danced around an answer to that question, you know....

and are you okay with Iran developing a nuclear weapon?

These negotiations have produced nothing whatsoever of value for us while giving Iran a green light to continue enrichment.


I'd prefer we increased the extent, intensity, and bite of the sanctions: obviously they are suffering, yet are still not quite willing to forego the development of a nuclear weapon. We are winning, they are losing, and yet we are giving them something very valuable to them while getting only hot air in return?

Stop being such a sycophant for a minute and look at this rationally. Pretend GWB and Condi Rice had negotiated the Geneva agreement instead!! how would you react then?

My reaction wouldn't change no matter who was negotiating the deal. Obviously you have not yet separated your politics from your ability to think clearly. Want to try again and show some reason this time instead of cheerleading?