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The 2nd Term - Round 2 - Amensty for Some, Miniature AR-15s for Others...

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Rover said:
Sounds good, but if there's a new category called "2012 Poster If You Stuck a Lump of Coal Up His @ ss In Two Weeks You'd Have a Diamond Award" Old Pio would run away with that contest. :D



I guess they could move to Texas.
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Texans would love you. I'd recommend Vidor.
 
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GopherBigGuy911 said:
I would much rather have Austerity now instead of waiting till it is too late like Greece, Italy, Spain, and other Libtard Euro countries. Take the pain now instead of down the road.
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Their problems are caused by having a common currency, but independent govts. We control both. The better place to look is England. Ask them about austerity.
 
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This term is really ****ing me off. :mad:
 
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GopherBigGuy911 said:
I would much rather have Austerity now instead of waiting till it is too late like Greece, Italy, Spain, and other Libtard Euro countries. Take the pain now instead of down the road.
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The question now is, is it already too late? Are we already too far along that road?

I believe that I know the answer, but when it comes to America, I'm something of a fatalist these days. America is not like Greece, Italy, or Spain; it is much bigger and has greater impact on the global economy.
 
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unofan said:
Right...just remember that you all think sequestration is a good thing right now. I don't want to hear any *****ing about it in 6 months.
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A post that both sides won't like.

I think it could be just what this country needs. How else does the military get cut. It's a trick question, because it wouldn't. Since 2000, its balooned in terms of % of GDP.

Haing said that, there is a risk to the economy. And with motivations within the GOP of win at all costs, you never know what the goal here is. At least if you project comments of McConnel about the GOPs top goal.
 
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walrus said:
The Dems want to lose :rolleyes:
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1/16/13:

"Today’s Washington Post poll finds that a whopping 67 percent of Americans say Congressional Republicans are doing “too little” to cooperate with President Obama, while only 27 percent say the GOP is doing the right amount or too much. Among independents, those numbers are 68-26. By contrast, 48 percent say Obama’s doing too little to cooperate with Republicans, while the same amount — 48 percent — say he’s doing the right amount or too much."

If you want to believe its the 'liberal media', you just go on believing that. Its notions like that and the tea party pushing the party into a more extremist/ideological form that are torpedoing the GOPs prospects. What's worse is that most conservatives has no idea what's going regarding any of this.
 
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5mn_Major said:
1/16/13:

"Today’s Washington Post poll finds that a whopping 67 percent of Americans say Congressional Republicans are doing “too little” to cooperate with President Obama, while only 27 percent say the GOP is doing the right amount or too much. Among independents, those numbers are 68-26. By contrast, 48 percent say Obama’s doing too little to cooperate with Republicans, while the same amount — 48 percent — say he’s doing the right amount or too much."

If you want to believe its the 'liberal media', you just go on believing that. Its notions like that and the tea party pushing the party into a more extremist/ideological form that are torpedoing the GOPs prospects. What's worse is that most conservatives has no idea what's going regarding any of this.
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The Republicans blew it a long time ago, way before the Tea party ever showed up
 
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Thought-provoking essay by Arthur Brooks in today's WSJ. Basically he says that conservatives are hurting themselves by ignoring how helpful conservative policies are in actually helping the poor and vulnerable. He expounds on the irony that the left pretends to care about the poor while the policies of the left actually make the life of the poor worse off; while the right pretends to care only about individuals while their policies are actually better at promoting the welfare of the poor!

Meanwhile, the record of free enterprise in improving the lives of the poor both here and abroad is spectacular. According to Columbia University economist Xavier Sala-i-Martin, the percentage of people in the world living on a dollar a day or less—a traditional poverty measure—has fallen by 80% since 1970. This is the greatest antipoverty achievement in world history. That achievement is not the result of philanthropy or foreign aid. It occurred because billions of souls have been able to pull themselves out of poverty thanks to global free trade, property rights, the rule of law and entrepreneurship.

The left talks a big game about helping the bottom half, but its policies are gradually ruining the economy, which will have catastrophic results once the safety net is no longer affordable. Labyrinthine regulations, punitive taxation and wage distortions destroy the ability to create private-sector jobs. Opportunities for Americans on the bottom to better their station in life are being erased.

Some say the solution for conservatives is either to redouble the attacks on big government per se, or give up and try to build a better welfare state. Neither path is correct. Raging against government debt and tax rates that most Americans don't pay gets conservatives nowhere, and it will always be an exercise in futility to compete with liberals on government spending and transfers.

Instead, the answer is to make improving the lives of vulnerable people the primary focus of authentically conservative policies. For example, the core problem with out-of-control entitlements is not that they are costly—it is that the impending insolvency of Social Security and Medicare imperils the social safety net for the neediest citizens. Education innovation and school choice are not needed to fight rapacious unions and bureaucrats—too often the most prominent focus of conservative education concerns—but because poor children and their parents deserve better schools.

Defending a healthy culture of family, community and work does not mean imposing an alien "bourgeois" morality on others. It is to recognize what people need to be happy and successful—and what is most missing today in the lives of too many poor people.

By making the vulnerable a primary focus, conservatives will be better able to confront some common blind spots. Corporate cronyism should be decried as every bit as noxious as statism, because it unfairly rewards the powerful and well-connected at the expense of ordinary citizens. Entrepreneurship should not to be extolled as a path to accumulating wealth but as a celebration of everyday men and women who want to build their own lives, whether they start a business and make a lot of money or not. And conservatives should instinctively welcome the immigrants who want to earn their success in America.
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Good points but he has a fatal flaw in the opening. A big reason why less people are living on a dollar a day since 1970 has to be the growth in industrial China...a state planned economy. That's bit of a contradiction, no?

He's right about too much focus on mythical union power as opposed to the goal of just improving failing schools and the bit about corporate cronyism is dead on but I'll believe it when I see it when conservatives abandon that position in practice not in rhetoric. Where he falls short though is the paleo-conservative view that unfettered capitalism benefits all. Look, if the last 30 years of deregulation and high end tax cuts have taught us anything, its that corporations are true to their reasons for existing, which is to maximize the profit to their shareholders, not to do public good. That means if oursourcing jobs to China increased the bottom line, that's what they'll do which does the poor in this country no good (but benefits the Chinese slave laborers somewhat I suppose).

The GOP/conservatism needs to move beyond the idea of the all powerful, all altruistic paternal corporation that just needs to be left alone. The voters saw the result of that theory during the Great Recession and thoroughly rejected it when Romney ran on that very platform (one of the few convictions he actually has from the looks of it).

Somewhat on point about who we should be taking opinions from...

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/who-should-we-listen-to/
 
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Rover said:
Good points but he has a fatal flaw in the opening. A big reason why less people are living on a dollar a day since 1970 has to be the growth in industrial China...a state planned economy. That's bit of a contradiction, no?

He's right about too much focus on mythical union power as opposed to the goal of just improving failing schools and the bit about corporate cronyism is dead on but I'll believe it when I see it when conservatives abandon that position in practice not in rhetoric. Where he falls short though is the paleo-conservative view that unfettered capitalism benefits all. Look, if the last 30 years of deregulation and high end tax cuts have taught us anything, its that corporations are true to their reasons for existing, which is to maximize the profit to their shareholders, not to do public good. That means if oursourcing jobs to China increased the bottom line, that's what they'll do which does the poor in this country no good (but benefits the Chinese slave laborers somewhat I suppose).

The GOP/conservatism needs to move beyond the idea of the all powerful, all altruistic paternal corporation that just needs to be left alone. The voters saw the result of that theory during the Great Recession and thoroughly rejected it when Romney ran on that very platform (one of the few convictions he actually has from the looks of it).

Somewhat on point about who we should be taking opinions from...

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/who-should-we-listen-to/
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Why are you physically unable to post links that are clickable?
 
ScoobyDoo said:
And delusion will be their ultimate downfall.
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I saw that too and if I were Mittens I'd be having a chat with my campaign people and I'd be telling them some very un-holy things.

As election day rolled around, I couldn't help thinking how 1) Romney wasn't leading in enough swing states in any independent poll to think he was going to win, and 2) Even Rasmussen had him losing the election of you looked at their state by state polls.

There was plenty of talk of unskewed polls, even out here by Opie and huskyfan, but Mittens should have asked himself: how realistic is it to expect a Republican to outpeform a Rasmussen poll? We got our answer apparently.
 
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Rover said:
I saw that too and if I were Mittens I'd be having a chat with my campaign people and I'd be telling them some very un-holy things.

As election day rolled around, I couldn't help thinking how 1) Romney wasn't leading in enough swing states in any independent poll to think he was going to win, and 2) Even Rasmussen had him losing the election of you looked at their state by state polls.

There was plenty of talk of unskewed polls, even out here by Opie and huskyfan, but Mittens should have asked himself: how realistic is it to expect a Republican to outpeform a Rasmussen poll? We got our answer apparently.
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That last part is a good question to ask. I'm sure Romney's people were shocked by the lack of turnout from the right. I need to recheck my numbers now that the election is well past. Initially there was alot of talk about how pathetic turnout was on the right, but in reality from looking at the initial numbers, most of that was because of Sandy and very low numbers in parts of the northeast and mid-atlantic. I would be interested in seeing how the numbers compare now vs what they were 4 years ago.
 
Shirtless Guy said:
That last part is a good question to ask. I'm sure Romney's people were shocked by the lack of turnout from the right. I need to recheck my numbers now that the election is well past. Initially there was alot of talk about how pathetic turnout was on the right, but in reality from looking at the initial numbers, most of that was because of Sandy and very low numbers in parts of the northeast and mid-atlantic. I would be interested in seeing how the numbers compare now vs what they were 4 years ago.
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IIRC 129M people voted this time vs 131M last time around. Of that perhaps half a million to a million who didn't vote it is speculated were due to Hurricane Sandy.

Obama drew about 3M less votes this time around (69M vs 66M) while Romney outdrew McCain by about a million (61M vs 60M). 3rd party people got about 2M each time I think.

So by and large Romney kept the McCain coalition together while Obama had some room to give. He went from a 9M vote win to a 5M one. There was a lot of muddle on election night of Obama drawing 7M less votes and Romney getting less than McCain, but that was because millions of votes (particularly NY due to hurricane) had yet to be counted.
 
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Rover said:
IIRC 129M people voted this time vs 131M last time around. Of that perhaps half a million to a million who didn't vote it is speculated were due to Hurricane Sandy.

Obama drew about 3M less votes this time around (69M vs 66M) while Romney outdrew McCain by about a million (61M vs 60M). 3rd party people got about 2M each time I think.

So by and large Romney kept the McCain coalition together while Obama had some room to give. He went from a 9M vote win to a 5M one. There was a lot of muddle on election night of Obama drawing 7M less votes and Romney getting less than McCain, but that was because millions of votes (particularly NY due to hurricane) had yet to be counted.
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Which I'm sure is true, just haven't looked at the numbers since about a week after the election.
 
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