mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Just had one passed last night 'hos! 2%
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The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
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Just had one passed last night 'hos! 2%
unofan
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Income taxes? About 1.5%.
All taxes? virtually everyone, since the payroll tax holiday ended. Next paycheck will see an additional 2% taken out.
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ScoobyDoo
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Yeah, but the Boomers are happy.
what a shocker. It turns out that the Boehner/Obama "Grand Bargain" that "Saved the World" is actually measured as a complete and utter failure by every economist of the last 200 years. They'll have to invent a new theory of economics in order to call it a successful world-saving.But there is good news. What a bunch of stupid failures.
Yeah, but the Boomers are happy.
Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
No need for that expensive flight, Barry's pointless 4 million dollar jaunt to Hawaii notwithstanding. We could just take back all taxpayer funded clothes off the backs of every member of the current government (hint: many of them have never earned an honest dollar) and set them "adrift" in the Potomac.
Think it's too late to go to Alaska and set them adrift?
No need for that expensive flight, Barry's pointless 4 million dollar jaunt to Hawaii notwithstanding. We could just take back all taxpayer funded clothes off the backs of every member of the current government (hint: many of them have never earned an honest dollar) and set them "adrift" in the Potomac.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Is there any ice there? Perhaps Maine is the better choice?
Is there any ice there? Perhaps Maine is the better choice?
Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
What spending cuts? Everyone has proposed spending increases with no exceptions!
They are merely arguing about how much spending is going to go up.
What spending cuts? Everyone has proposed spending increases with no exceptions!
They are merely arguing about how much spending is going to go up.
Problem is Scott Walker did zero for the economic health of his state, and Chris Christie just ripped his own party a new one for not sending federal dollars to his state for rebuilding after Hurrican Sandy.
What people like yourself don't realize is you're fighting a battle that's already lost, and its not Obama or the Dems that defeated you. Reagan did not cut spending. Bush I or II did not cut spending. Gingrich did not cut spending. DeLay did not cut spending. The Boner did not cut spending. Do you see a pattern here? The pattern is, despite living in a so-called center right country for 30 years (which is BS but a discussin for another time), spending NEVER gets cut? Why is that? Because the American people don't want it to be, and will run out of office anybody who tries to.
Think of it as the same reason why the Dems don't pass massive gun control restrictions when in the majority. Simply put, the public will only go so far on that. Likewise, the tobacco lobby was all powerful when most adults smoked. When those rates came down to approx 20% their political power went with it. You will not live to see the day when voters start begging politicians to cut their Medicare or Social Security payments. Its time to live in reality, not conservative fantasyland.
unofan
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What spending cuts? Everyone has proposed spending increases with no exceptions!
They are merely arguing about how much spending is going to go up.
So much for employment being a bigger priority than the deficit, eh?
ScoobyDoo
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Then perhaps the problem is that the true reforms can't be sold as desirable. You can cut spending, but must simultaneously show your constituents where their personal benefit will come (and I don't mean a country without debt). This is why I suggested taking the hit on Social Security and moving to the Chilean model. Those who have already paid will still receive their benefits, and those currently paying will be able to invest as they desire, even if that means an insured savings or money market account. You can do something very similar with Medicare, such as my suggested option to pay for what you need, as opposed to being forced to wait for the government handout. Want to cut defence or similar executive personnel? How about at the same time promote local organised militias?
Focus less on what's going away, and more on what's being recommended to come into place. If you can show your constituency that this is beneficial to them, and it's truly beneficial to all parties concerned, you've got something good going.
Then perhaps the problem is that the true reforms can't be sold as desirable. You can cut spending, but must simultaneously show your constituents where their personal benefit will come (and I don't mean a country without debt). This is why I suggested taking the hit on Social Security and moving to the Chilean model. Those who have already paid will still receive their benefits, and those currently paying will be able to invest as they desire, even if that means an insured savings or money market account. You can do something very similar with Medicare, such as my suggested option to pay for what you need, as opposed to being forced to wait for the government handout. Want to cut defence or similar executive personnel? How about at the same time promote local organised militias?
Focus less on what's going away, and more on what's being recommended to come into place. If you can show your constituency that this is beneficial to them, and it's truly beneficial to all parties concerned, you've got something good going.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Unpossible!! Invest in what? Money going in is immediately going out as soc sec checks. Enough to make ponzi blush.
Stop dreaming.
(Plus it is all general funds anyhows. Give it up)
ScoobyDoo
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Fact is, as long as the boomers are untouchable we're going bankrupt. It don't matter if we change it for future generations or not.
Fact is, as long as the boomers are untouchable we're going bankrupt. It don't matter if we change it for future generations or not.
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FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Conveniently leaving off the part of my post that refutes what you just said, are we?
Strike one.
Conveniently leaving off the part of my post that refutes what you just said, are we?
Strike one.
FadeToBlack&Gold
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unofan
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Social security isn't the problem. It's solvent indefinitely at 85% of current benefits. When the time comes changes can be made.
Medicare is the bigger issue, but that's because health care in general is sn issue in this country.
I also think it's extremely hypocritical to exempt current seniors from any changes. If the proposed privitization is so great, they should get to "enjoy"its fruits as well.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Nothing you can type refutes what I typed. What I typed is fact. If you type "the sky is green" and I ignore that, is that strike two
FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
Just for that, welcome to the ignore list.
Nothing you can type refutes what I typed. What I typed is fact. If you type "the sky is green" and I ignore that, is that strike two
Just for that, welcome to the ignore list.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
FlagDUDE08
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Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars
This is why I recommended taking the hit and placing the money they put into the system into the aforementioned accounts. I'm fine with grandfathering the cash, but not the pension process. Plus, if there are any concerns about the idiot that takes it all out in one felt swoop, put a limit of withdrawal; if we estimate 20 years of life after retirement, that's 240 months, so about 0.4% (I know the math is a little off, but it's still close enough for the estimate) of the original balance at the time of retirement per month, with penalties for any extra money that may only be refuted through expenses found within the itemised deductions.
I see one of the biggest issues with Medicare is the forced hand. It's practically communism. You're forced to join in order to receive social security, and then it is a felony to pay for something out of pocket that your Medicare plan covers (assuming you have that specific plan, of course).
This is why I recommended taking the hit and placing the money they put into the system into the aforementioned accounts. I'm fine with grandfathering the cash, but not the pension process. Plus, if there are any concerns about the idiot that takes it all out in one felt swoop, put a limit of withdrawal; if we estimate 20 years of life after retirement, that's 240 months, so about 0.4% (I know the math is a little off, but it's still close enough for the estimate) of the original balance at the time of retirement per month, with penalties for any extra money that may only be refuted through expenses found within the itemised deductions.
I see one of the biggest issues with Medicare is the forced hand. It's practically communism. You're forced to join in order to receive social security, and then it is a felony to pay for something out of pocket that your Medicare plan covers (assuming you have that specific plan, of course).
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