The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

[Jon]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

Look at the dopes in Congress, you think this isn't happening? They might not get us with weapons of mass destruction or by regulations they don't pay for or enforce but they're getting us.

You were right when you used the word "Dopes". Self interested money grubbing whores with no interest in the people they govern. They're too incompetent to do anything of the sort.

The cynicism in this thread is infectious!

 

[alfablue]

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You completely missed my point. By consenting to the government making a gun illegal, you are consenting to the government making a gun illegal. It doesn't matter how much lipstick you use; a pig is still a pig.

You do know that machine guns (fully automatic guns) are banned, don't you? Happened back in the 30's. And this GUN ban is still in effect. And there are a LOT of fully automatic guns out there in the world.

Yet other guns are still legal.

Good looking pig, eh?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You do know that machine guns (fully automatic guns) are banned, don't you? Happened back in the 30's. And this GUN ban is still in effect. And there are a LOT of fully automatic guns out there in the world.

Yet other guns are still legal.

Good looking pig, eh?

And where did I ever say that I agreed with something like that?

 

[Rover]

honest question, would a legal gun owner be impacted if buying a gun was a 2 week long process instead of the shorter version today? If they put some kind of 'reasonable' check and balance process in to do better background checks and other confirmations...would you envision that being a real burden?

To me, anybody that NEEDS a gun in 2 days or 2 hours is concerning. But I am not a gun guy. Hunting or otherwise.

I guess a guy on a hunting trip could want to buy one if his gun broke or something but how often do people really need one quickly?

For the rest of you, not saying that would solve every issue or that every killer is on "the list", just asking a couple of questions of somebody with practical experience

Dead on accurate. I learned how to shoot as a kid (target practice with handguns at a range from a .22 to a .357) and while it was fun I also don't see how having to wait a bit to pass a background clearance is such a burden given the stakes involved. Yeah its inconvenient but so is the RMV but you need to register your car too and they'll check to make sure you can legally drive (hint: its a good idea to leave your seeing eye dog outside).

I sense all the hooey about banning assault weapons is essentually a dodge by gun control opponents to change the narrative away from something 92% of the public supports (background checks on everyone) to a subject where they can mount a better counter argument.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

Dead on accurate. I learned how to shoot as a kid (target practice with handguns at a range from a .22 to a .357) and while it was fun I also don't see how having to wait a bit to pass a background clearance is such a burden given the stakes involved. Yeah its inconvenient but so is the RMV but you need to register your car too and they'll check to make sure you can legally drive (hint: its a good idea to leave your seeing eye dog outside).

I sense all the hooey about banning assault weapons is essentually a dodge by gun control opponents to change the narrative away from something 92% of the public supports (background checks on everyone) to a subject where they can mount a better counter argument.

To even give the government the OPPORTUNITY to infringe the people's right to keep and bear arms is the problem. It's no longer about the concept of Constitutional law. It's now about defending it. Because of the apathy and complacency of many, our Constitutional protections are in serious jeopardy. It is time that we take a stand and defend against an oppressive group that seeks to confiscate these protections.

 

[Jon]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

Oh USCHO, you crack me up yet again.

 

[walrus]

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I don't have a problem with background checks but I see the assault weapon banning as complete hooey. A 30.06 is just as much an assault weapon as a AR15 is.

 

[joecct]

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You know, this sounds like the reverse of the Joe Stalin adage -- "One death is a statistic, many is a tragedy.."

 

[Jon]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

I don't have a problem with background checks but I see the assault weapon banning as complete hooey. A 30.06 is just as much an assault weapon as a AR15 is.

I'm sure one of Old Pio's BFF's has pointed this out already, but aren't most of the gun related crimes in this country committed with handguns anyways?

 

[alfablue]

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And where did I ever say that I agreed with something like that?

And where did I ever said that you did?

On the other hand, I do point out that we've LEGALY banned a specific kind of gun for for almost 40% of the time the country has been a country, and we are STILL a country and are doing just fine, thank you. The world wont end, you still get to bear an arm, you still get the right to vote. Heck, we even had a bunch of peaceful transitions of goverment since then, let alone some additions to the Bill of Rights. All with a reasonable restriction on a right.

IMHO, all of the fears you monger are not.

 

[Rover]

I don't have a problem with background checks but I see the assault weapon banning as complete hooey. A 30.06 is just as much an assault weapon as a AR15 is.

I'm feeling that the assault weapons ban is a lesser point. While I'm in favor of it, its not a dealbreaker for me. Could be that Obama has finally learned how to negotiate, in that you open with a litany of proposals and allow the opposition to save face by whittling away a few before reaching a deal for the stuff you really want.

Also, although its been lost in this discussion a mental health aspect also needs to be included which I believe the Prez has also alluded to in his proposal.

 

[Jon]

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As our crappy way of dealing with the mentally ill leads into our crappy way of dealing with the homeless and people with drug addictions, I don't see that going anywhere either.

 

[Slap Shot]

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Well, have fun regulating/restricting everything. It will sure be fun when I have to wait 4 hours at Home Depot for a background check because I want to fix some plumbing at home.

Is this like saying if gays are allowed to marry horses and children are next?

 

[mookie1995]

Also, although its been lost in this discussion a mental health aspect also needs to be included which I believe the Prez has also alluded to in his proposal.

Euthanate?

 

[joecct]

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Also, although its been lost in this discussion a mental health aspect also needs to be included which I believe the Prez has also alluded to in his proposal.

I believe that revisions to HIPAA (or whatever that acronym is) will be needed to disclose a person's health to a 3rd party. Think it will happen?

 

[bigblue_dl]

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Is this like saying if gays are allowed to marry horses and children are next?

I don't give a **** about gays. They can marry or **** anyone or thing they want, as far as I am concerned.

 

[unofan]

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I believe that revisions to HIPAA (or whatever that acronym is) will be needed to disclose a person's health to a 3rd party. Think it will happen?

HIPPA is simply a law, not a constitutional provision. One of its provisions already allows for disclosure where otherwise required by law.

 

[pirate]

Seriously? Do you really think you can mass murder a group of people with a sharp stick?

Did you get one in your ear as a kid?

That has to be the most absurd counter example of mass murder of all time. Unless you think you can get a group of people to stand still while you jump between them while you stab them in the throat. Or do you think kids are so fat that you can turn off their wheelchairs?

Sticks are not bullets. At least I can't outrun a bullet being shot at me.

Arrows?

Poison one, straight through your heart.


Insert ABC video here.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

Ronald Reagan on Gun control...

While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals

I thought that was interesting.

 

[pirate]

Ronald Reagan on Gun control...



I thought that was interesting.

Christ, first Manti's girlfriend and now we have Ron Reagan posting on here!

Is this the beginning of the zombie apocalypse?