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The 2nd Term - Round 1 - Diving for Dollars

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2 reported dead in shooting at Kentucky college

Published January 15, 2013

Associated Press

Two people were shot and killed and a teenager wounded Tuesday in the parking lot of an eastern Kentucky community college, authorities said.
 
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Sounds like some people are off their meds...
Man Who Kept Sandy Hook Students Safe Getting Harassed
Gene Rosen, a 69-year-old retired psychologist who lives across the street from Sandy Hook Elementary School, told Salon that he is getting phone calls and emails accusing him of lying when he shared his story of taking four girls and two boys into his home after the shooting.

As he was leaving his house on the morning of Dec. 14, he saw the children from Victoria Soto’s class sitting at the end of his driveway. They had just run from the school to escape Adam Lanza, who shot and killed 20 first graders and six staff members, including their teacher.

He took them in, gave them toys, listened to their stories and called their frantic parents, using cellphone numbers obtained from the school bus company.

He said he decided to talk to the media in the days after the shooting to tell stories of the children’s bravery and to help himself get through the tragedy, he told Salon.

After those interviews, people with the so-called “Sandy Hook Truther movement” began harassing him and setting up fake accounts in his name, according to Salon.

“I don’t know what to do,” Rosen told Salon. “I’m getting hang up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘how much am I being paid?’”

And here's an example..
I have a 3 yr old little girl and trust me if this happened id be mortified but before everyone judges me or ne one else that feels a different way then you research this who event why was homeland security there and in ny the day of 9/11and the day of the school shooting in colorado and don't take my word for it look it it they were in bridgeport on the same road newtown school is on doing exercises about child disaster and school shootings is that just coincidence I doubt it I would love for this to be fake so know of those little angles would be hurt but that was not there motive research this n trust me at first I was just like you guys open your eyes investigate on your own and you will see something is off what I don't know but something is not normal.

Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were on site on 9/11 and at Columbine in 1999? That is suspicious, since the agency wasn't formed until November of 2002... The government must have access to a time machine. Hey, maybe that can be the next conspiracy!
 
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Agents from the Department of Homeland Security were on site on 9/11 and at Columbine in 1999? That is suspicious, since the agency wasn't formed until November of 2002... The government must have access to a time machine. Hey, maybe that can be the next conspiracy!

i was wondering how long it would be before we heard eric holder had supplied the weapons!!!
 
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So today, the Dems come out with a gun control package. We've been hearing...ya, but its strictly about psychopaths! OK...so we've got a package that addresses both the supposed cause (psychopathic behavior) and the enabler (guns).

Now we'll really find out if its all about psychopaths and if there's any interest in finding a solution to gun violence...this measure should have 100% support.
 
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A prosecutor from Washington DC tells of his experience with their restrictive gun ban and what happened when it was overturned by the Court:

As a former prosecutor in Washington, D.C., who enforced firearms and ammunition cases while a severe local gun ban was still in effect, I am skeptical of the benefits that many imagine will result from additional gun-control efforts. I dislike guns, but I believe that a nationwide firearms crackdown would place an undue burden on law enforcement and endanger civil liberties while potentially increasing crime.

The D.C. gun ban, enacted in 1976, prohibited anyone other than law-enforcement officers from carrying a firearm in the city. Residents were even barred from keeping guns in their homes for self-defense.

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The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454.

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In 2007, a panel for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the city's gun ban was unconstitutional. Senior Judge Laurence H. Silberman wrote in the majority opinion that "the black market for handguns in the District is so strong that handguns are readily available (probably at little premium) to criminals. It is asserted, therefore that the D.C. gun control laws irrationally prevent only law abiding citizens from owning handguns."

The ruling was affirmed the following year by the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion said that citizens were guaranteed a right to keep firearms that were in common use in their homes for self-defense, but that the government could pass reasonable regulations concerning firearms and ammunition.

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Since the gun ban was struck down, murders in the District have steadily gone down, from 186 in 2008 to 88 in 2012, the lowest number since the law was enacted in 1976. The decline resulted from a variety of factors, but losing the gun ban certainly did not produce the rise in murders that many might have expected.
 
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A prosecutor from Washington DC tells of his experience with their restrictive gun ban and what happened when it was overturned by the Court:

Criminals were emboldened because they knew law-abiding citizens weren't packing? how would the writer know this? Or are they attributing motive to the results? If this was the case, the writer would no doubt have listed the stats for 'citizen prevented violence', even if just anecdotally, to demonstrate that, routinely, law-abiding citizens were able to out-draw criminals, either dropping them at high-noon or pulling cuffs from their belt and holding the criminal for law enforcement. If the writer is suggesting criminals just stopped doing criminal things during the period because of fear of gun-toting grannies, was there an increase in young men finding jobs? what did they do during this time - sit around and whittle fake guns? write notes claiming "this is a hold up, I have a gub"?

the writer also would include the obvious data that the volume increase in dead people was disproportionately comprised of law abiding citizens and not other bad guys and the new mix returned to a higher percentage of bad guys getting killed.

they also would demonstrate that there was no change in gang presence in the city, employment was up, no new drugs were finding their way onto the streets prompting a battle over distributorship, there were no changes in community police funding, there was no change in the volume of young men reaching the age of 18 in DC (assuming gun crime is more prevalent in young men between the ages of 18-30), government funding of diversion programs hadn't been cut and a dozen other factors that would more plausibly explain the change in gun violence.

If the increase in deaths was due to bad guys killing each other over access to guns...hmmmm, what to do, what to do?
 
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If the increase in deaths was due to bad guys killing each other over access to guns...hmmmm, what to do, what to do?
Give guns to all the bad guys so they wouldn't have to fight anymore!
 
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So today, the Dems come out with a gun control package. We've been hearing...ya, but its strictly about psychopaths! OK...so we've got a package that addresses both the supposed cause (psychopathic behavior) and the enabler (guns).

Now we'll really find out if its all about psychopaths and if there's any interest in finding a solution to gun violence...this measure should have 100% support.

I wouldn't support it. There's no definition of "psychopath" that can't be manipulated to somehow mean every citizen in the country.
 
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i would want to see this grafted versus another city, like maybe NYC. i would bet that the lines are very similar. i would then opine that the writer jumped to a bold conclusion to suit their purpose
 
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Criminals were emboldened because they knew law-abiding citizens weren't packing? how would the writer know this? Or are they attributing motive to the results? If this was the case, the writer would no doubt have listed the stats for 'citizen prevented violence', even if just anecdotally, to demonstrate that, routinely, law-abiding citizens were able to out-draw criminals, either dropping them at high-noon or pulling cuffs from their belt and holding the criminal for law enforcement. If the writer is suggesting criminals just stopped doing criminal things during the period because of fear of gun-toting grannies, was there an increase in young men finding jobs? what did they do during this time - sit around and whittle fake guns? write notes claiming "this is a hold up, I have a gub"?

the writer also would include the obvious data that the volume increase in dead people was disproportionately comprised of law abiding citizens and not other bad guys and the new mix returned to a higher percentage of bad guys getting killed.

they also would demonstrate that there was no change in gang presence in the city, employment was up, no new drugs were finding their way onto the streets prompting a battle over distributorship, there were no changes in community police funding, there was no change in the volume of young men reaching the age of 18 in DC (assuming gun crime is more prevalent in young men between the ages of 18-30), government funding of diversion programs hadn't been cut and a dozen other factors that would more plausibly explain the change in gun violence.

If the increase in deaths was due to bad guys killing each other over access to guns...hmmmm, what to do, what to do?

Let's think about this for a second. We have the data, and we see that number of occurrences of violence attributed to firearms increased during the ban. We're talking about firearm VIOLENCE, here, not possession. I think we can all agree that after 31 years a lot could change, so the idea of people getting jobs, law enforcement, the other factors are entirely possible. However, let's focus on the data between 2005 and 2008, the years before and after the ban was lifted, that or thereabout. I think that both of us can agree that three years isn't enough to drastically change a city's employment or law enforcement, especially if we think back to what happened during that time. After all, the big dip in jobs was really seen in the beginning of 2009. According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dchomicidechart.svg (as provided by the Metropolitan Police Department), we see approximately 200 homicides taking place, about the same as 1986. (I think, based upon that, we can agree that 1988-1996 was a turbulent time, but we can't attribute it to the existence (or lack thereof) of firearm regulation.) Now, let's fast forward to 2008. If the hypothesis is true that the firearm ban is what kept the streets of DC safe, we would expect an increase in homicides due to the availability of firearms. Based upon the data we have, while accounting for significant digits, it's about the same, maybe a little less. From this, I believe we can safely say that the availability of firearms did not cause an increase in violence related to firearms.
 
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So today, the Dems come out with a gun control package. We've been hearing...ya, but its strictly about psychopaths! OK...so we've got a package that addresses both the supposed cause (psychopathic behavior) and the enabler (guns).

Now we'll really find out if its all about psychopaths and if there's any interest in finding a solution to gun violence...this measure should have 100% support.

I wonder if this measure runs afoul of HIPAA privacy regulations? Yeah, let's stop the psycopaths....oh wait, we can't label anyone a psychopath, oh wait, yes we can label them but we can't tell anyone that we labeled them....


Too many new laws being passed without anyone ever checking whether they actually are consistent with other laws passed in prior years. How about cleaning up the existing mess first before making it even messier instead?
 
Rover's female?

No, geezer just fantasizes about me. Its all harmless (I think) but I have filed a restraining order just in case. ;)

Looks like we know who'll be taking it in the shorts if we have yet another manufactured debt crisis, and it ain't the Dems:

Majority Don't Want Spending Cuts Linked to Debt Ceiling
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds 58% of Americans say the debt ceiling should be handled separately from the debate on spending cuts, while 36% favor linking the two.

The Wall Street Journal reports many GOP leaders "are anxious about a growing clamor among conservatives to use the need to raise the government's $16.4 trillion debt limit as the vehicle to force spending cuts."
 
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Majority Don't Want Spending Cuts Linked to Debt Ceiling
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds 58% of Americans say the debt ceiling should be handled separately from the debate on spending cuts, while 36% favor linking the two.

The Wall Street Journal reports many GOP leaders "are anxious about a growing clamor among conservatives to use the need to raise the government's $16.4 trillion debt limit as the vehicle to force spending cuts."

no leaders need apply, just those who would rather not work for a living (and keep getting elected) ;)
 
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