The 2024 GQP Thread: Because Deutsche Gopher Fan ENDED the Last One

[Kepler]

You said it yourself, Pete is a jar of play doh that will take whatever shape he needs to whenever he needs to. If he thinks the electorate is moving left, so will he.

Ive thought about this a bit and I really think Pete is about as good as the Dems have got in terms of presidential material.

• He'll sign whatever he's handed by a liberal congress.
• He'll be a good face on TV both because he's got the look and he's an extremely sharp wit. I've never seen him flustered or cornered in an interview.
• he's young

I think the problem is he has principles, and they're bad. He sure seems like a conscientious centrist who just happens to like as-s play. Perfect for Flyover governor but I want more from the top of the ticket. I didn't walk uphill both ways through the last 30 years to settle for Dick Gephardt.

Give me a Gretchen (56) Top with a Butt (46) Bottom.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

I think the problem is he has principles, and they're bad. He sure seems like a conscientious centrist who just happens to like as-s play. Perfect for Flyover governor but I want more from the top of the ticket. I didn't walk uphill both ways through the last 30 years to settle for Dick Gephardt.

Give me a Gretchen (56) Top with a Butt (46) Bottom.

I have bad news for you Kep - the LGBTQ folks I know agree more with Whitmer, Buttigieg, and Biden, than they do with Bernie, Briahna Joy Gray, and Nina Turner.

 

[Kepler]

I have bad news for you Kep - the LGBTQ folks I know agree more with Whitmer, Buttigieg, and Biden, than they do with Bernie, Briahna Joy Gray, and Nina Turner.

The LGBTQ people you know are from the Midwest. That isn't the mean of America, regardless of how they've been pandered to for the last fifty years.

America is cities and diversity. Flyover whites have a place, but they aren't privileged and they have to lose their entitlement.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

If the LGBTQ people I know have a sample bias, it's that most of them are professionals, not that they're all Midwesterners. They like money and nice vacations, but also recognize we should tax the upper classes more and that government has legit role in trying to lift up and enable the poor to climb up the social ladder.

 

[bronconick]

The LGBTQ people you know are from the Midwest. That isn't the mean of America, regardless of how they've been pandered to for the last fifty years.

America is cities and diversity. Flyover whites have a place, but they aren't privileged and they have to lose their entitlement.

Flyover whites are always going to be pandered to over your cities and diversity as long as the electoral college and gerrymandering exist.

 

[Kepler]

If the LGBTQ people I know have a sample bias, it's that most of them are professionals, not that they're all Midwesterners. They like money and nice vacations, but also recognize we should tax the upper classes more and that government has legit role in trying to lift up and enable the poor to climb up the social ladder.

That's me. It is The Left.

 

[Kepler]

Flyover whites are always going to be pandered to over your cities and diversity as long as the electoral college and gerrymandering exist.

Well, gerrymandering not so much -- one could easily use gerrymandering to dissipate the power of rurals, rather than urbans. This is what happened in my district in Maryland -- all you need is to append one large town to a rural hinterland and you can negate the hicks.

It's fun.

The EC, and worse, the Senate, yes, that is a huge built in unfairness for the Rotten Boroughs of our small states, and probably the only way to finally nuke that is to just break everything into "states" -- hundreds of them. Give me a Senate with 500 seats.

 

[Handyman]

The LGBTQ people you know are from the Midwest. That isn't the mean of America, regardless of how they've been pandered to for the last fifty years.

America is cities and diversity. Flyover whites have a place, but they aren't privileged and they have to lose their entitlement.

The fact that you spout nonsense like this is why you and your ilk are a laughingstock. We are closer to the mean than the people you pretend to represent.

Minnesota and Michigan are way more liberal than New York and New Jersey...

 

[dxmnkd316]

The fact that you spout nonsense like this is why you and your ilk are a laughingstock. We are closer to the mean than the people you pretend to represent.

Minnesota and Michigan are way more liberal than New York and New Jersey...

I forget, which states give kids free school lunches and breakfasts, are ahead of schedule for carbon-free by 2040, have paid medical leave, abortion protections, red flag laws, drivers licenses for everyone?

I know Minnesota has this.

 

[aparch]

Minnesota is also the *only* state in the nation to mandate that the American flags those patriots are so keen on waving around are made in the USA. Forty-nine other states don't give a sh*t if you import your USA flag from China (Texas included).

 

[Slap Shot]

The LGBTQ people you know are from the Midwest. That isn't the mean of America, regardless of how they've been pandered to for the last fifty years.

America is cities and diversity. Flyover whites have a place, but they aren't privileged and they have to lose their entitlement.

Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago aren't filled with main street yuk yuks.

Your attitude here is the epitome of why some independents will forever hold their nose at the Democratic party. I know you probably consider that a badge of honor but it's really a badge of willful ignorance and narcissism.

 

[Kepler]

Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago aren't filled with main street yuk yuks.

Your attitude here is the epitome of why some independents will forever hold their nose at the Democratic party. I know you probably consider that a badge of honor but it's really a badge of willful ignorance and narcissism.

No, you keep falling for tub-thumping, mind-closing nonsense you have been taught to keep you pacified. The problem with the Democratic party has never been that it's too far left. You have to put your big farmer trousers on and hear a few home truths without crying home to Ma and Pa Kettle that the city slicker done stole your girl.

Particularly in the last decade as the country has become straight up bipolar, there are few voters in the center to capture. The Republicans figured it out first: there are two humps of voters, one somewhat left and one solidly right. From the 1950s through the 70s, moving in towards the center bought them 1 voter for every 3 they lost by alienating their fascist fringe. So the Republicans moved far right -- they are actually to the right of the centercut of their hump, and they reach out equally to the fringe and the center, thus maximizing what they can get.

The Democrats never did this, and the math is so obvious I assume it's because they have been bought off. The donors won't stand for a sincere Democratic party. So we keep getting people who talk about taxing the rich and never do. Because the rich have bribed them not to.

Stripping all the cultural idiocy away from this, it is not country mouse vs city mouse. The only people who actually care about that are the slow mice who have been sold the evergreen thought-terminating cliche that the other side is out to get you.

Well, the Left is not out to get country mouse. The Left does not care about cultural nonsense -- the business end of politics is policy and Leftist policies will help everyone except the rich. Ironically, they will probably help rural whites most of all.

And the Rich are not out to get city mouse. They're out to get everyone except themselves.

 

[Slap Shot]

No, you keep falling for tub-thumping, mind-closing nonsense you have been taught to keep you pacified. The problem with the Democratic party has never been that it's too far left. You have to put your big farmer trousers on and hear a few home truths without crying home to Ma and Pa Kettle that the city slicker done stole your girl.

Particularly in the last decade as the country has become straight up bipolar, there are few voters in the center to capture. The Republicans figured it out first: there are two humps of voters, one somewhat left and one solidly right. From the 1950s through the 70s, moving in towards the center bought them 1 voter for every 3 they lost by alienating their fascist fringe. So the Republicans moved far right -- they are actually to the right of the centercut of their hump, and they reach out equally to the fringe and the center, thus maximizing what they can get.

The Democrats never did this, and the math is so obvious I assume it's because they have been bought off. The donors won't stand for a sincere Democratic party. So we keep getting people who talk about taxing the rich and never do. Because the rich have bribed them not to.

Stripping all the cultural idiocy away from this, it is not country mouse vs city mouse. The only people who actually care about that are the slow mice who have been sold the evergreen thought-terminating cliche that the other side is out to get you.

Well, the Left is not out to get country mouse. The Left does not care about cultural nonsense -- the business end of politics is policy and Leftist policies will help everyone except the rich. Ironically, they will probably help rural whites most of all.

And the Rich are not out to get city mouse. They're out to get everyone except themselves.

Way to double-down on how completely oblivious, out of touch and full of shit you are. You'd think someone as evolved as you think you are would comprehend the concept of nuance and that most people don't fit into nice tidy little boxes. I've never once couched any of this as city mouse vs. country mouse.

And you like to type rhetoric like this, but if you had to explain in detail how that actually applies to me or anyone else that posts here you'd suddenly be at a loss for words:

No, you keep falling for tub-thumping, mind-closing nonsense you have been taught to keep you pacified.

You think you're the only one here that's lived anywhere? That's read more than Catcher in the Rye? That's traveled the world? Had a family full of educators and post-graduate degrees? Who the fuck do you think you are?

 

[Handyman]

I love that the "liberal" who works for weapons contractors is telling us we have been duped. Mr. Two Houses and huge salary is really a man of the people! ;^)

The irony is he doesn't get he sounds like someone we all hate...the projection is real.

The only people that matter are the ones he deems as such.

 

[unofan]

The LGBTQ people you know are from the Midwest. That isn't the mean of America, regardless of how they've been pandered to for the last fifty years.

America is cities and diversity. Flyover whites have a place, but they aren't privileged and they have to lose their entitlement.

Flyover whites legalized gay marriage earlier than all but Vermont and Hawaii. So piss off.

 

[walrus]

I love that the "liberal" who works for weapons contractors is telling us we have been duped. Mr. Two Houses and huge salary is really a man of the people! ;^)

The irony is he doesn't get he sounds like someone we all hate...the projection is real.

The only people that matter are the ones he deems as such.

What do you call a person who says one thing but does another? Thats Kepler

 

[Kepler]

You think you're the only one here that's lived anywhere? That's read more than Catcher in the Rye? That's traveled the world? Had a family full of educators and post-graduate degrees? Who the **** do you think you are?

It's not about education or intelligence. It's not, well, I suppose seeing other places probably helps, but it's not about travel or sophistication or the ability to compare, either. It's not about our egos. Nobody is dissing you, just the worms in your head. Let's talk about what to do, instead of hollering about how it makes us feel.

The reason I keep drilling a hole through your cultural conceits is not that yours are worse than anybody else's, it's that all of ours are puerile. And dangerous, because they keep us from just taking a position and going with it. We keep getting distracted by the vanity of our cliques or regions. 20 years and you still don't see that? I'm pretty sure many caught on a long time ago. They are probably bored by it, but they got the point.

The culture war is the Special Olympics. Even if you win... It is a perfect trap because it captures everybody with a thin skin, and that is everybody on a bad day, and lately a lot of days are bad. If we are going to actually do something about the authoritarian takeover of this country, and other western democracies, then there's a lot of BS we all have to let go, since what supposedly divides us is vapor. What better way to show that than by taking it reductio ad absurdum?

You'll notice that whenever the Common Clay come back and attack my cultural pretensions, I don't resist, I encourage it. Because that's the point. The sine qua non of effective political action is to Get Over Ourselves.

Who is your candidate for '28? I think that's how this started, when I suggested Gretchen and somebody retorted no, Gretchen was a better choice. Does that mean we have consensus?

 

[Kepler]

Flyover whites legalized gay marriage earlier than all but Vermont and Hawaii. So **** off.

I could say how's that working out? And I think it willfully ignores where the usual Suspects for homophobic legislation are. But... fair point.

In your opinion, how is that working out?

 

[St. Clown]

I could say how's that working out? And I think it willfully ignores where the usual Suspects for homophobic legislation are. But... fair point.

In your opinion, how is that working out?

Well, there’s been an uptick in homosexual couples getting divorced, but otherwise…

 

[Handyman]

Gay Marriage in Flyover is going over better than Eric Adams is in New York, or Bob Menendez in New Jersey. Hey, how is are all those racist leaders and cops in LA working out?