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The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Before I go full-in on the conspiracy theory I wonder if anyone has run the numbers on Trinity v. Norwich v. Geneseo?

At a gut reaction level for Trinity to drop below both with one loss seems mighty fishy, smoked fishy even. More stunning though is that Norwich losses and hosts. Salem State just picked up a lot of fans.

I was suspicious of Trinity being ranked #1 in the first place, but if you've put them there, it seems hard to fathom that they drop below two teams ranked below them that also lost. Plus we've been conditioned that a loss to a ranked team (which Norwich and Geneseo did) is worse than a loss to an unranked team (which Trinity did). Guess not. As for Norwich hosting, there was no way Norwich or Geneseo was going to have to travel to Nichols or Salem State. Those two teams were stone-cold locks for the bottom two seeds and a road game.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Even though there are several teams that did make it some still got screwed. I can't believe St. Norbert has to play a play-in game. They have to be the number 1 overall seed and if not how does Babson get that honor??? Bowdin traveling to the land of OZ again. The committee couldn't have sent someone else in the east. It would have been to have a spy camera in the smoked filled room to see how the teams finished in the rankings. So much for transparence. Maybe the day will come where the selection process mirrors the DI process where everyone who in on a bubble knows what has to happen to include how many goals they need to score.
Oswego '88
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Even though there are several teams that did make it some still got screwed. I can't believe St. Norbert has to play a play-in game. They have to be the number 1 overall seed and if not how does Babson get that honor??? Bowdin traveling to the land of OZ again. The committee couldn't have sent someone else in the east. It would have been to have a spy camera in the smoked filled room to see how the teams finished in the rankings. So much for transparence. Maybe the day will come where the selection process mirrors the DI process where everyone who in on a bubble knows what has to happen to include how many goals they need to score.
Oswego '88

St. Norbert is playing Adrian in a straight quarterfinal game....

All three play-ins are in the East.
 
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**** I'm good! I said yesterday that a team that makes it to their conference final is more deserving than one that loses before then. (Re: Norwich, Genny). As a side note, Norwich was 2-1 against the #1 seed this year.(Babson)
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Even though there are several teams that did make it some still got screwed. I can't believe St. Norbert has to play a play-in game. They have to be the number 1 overall seed and if not how does Babson get that honor???
Oswego '88

I concur with Prezde. SNC didn't get screwed. Just because the team that Babson plays has to play Wednesday - putting that open line next to them - doesn't mean SNC got screwed. Both just have to win one to get to the final four.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

I concur with Prezde. SNC didn't get screwed. Just because the team that Babson plays has to play Wednesday - putting that open line next to them - doesn't mean SNC got screwed. Both just have to win one to get to the final four.

Thanks for correcting me. I was going off memory from last night and that fades as one gets older.
Oswego '88
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Even though there are several teams that did make it some still got screwed. I can't believe St. Norbert has to play a play-in game. They have to be the number 1 overall seed and if not how does Babson get that honor??? Bowdin traveling to the land of OZ again. The committee couldn't have sent someone else in the east. It would have been to have a spy camera in the smoked filled room to see how the teams finished in the rankings. So much for transparence. Maybe the day will come where the selection process mirrors the DI process where everyone who in on a bubble knows what has to happen to include how many goals they need to score.
Oswego '88

It appears to me to be really easy to see what the rankings were and why the bracket is set up the way it is.

Arguably the top 5 teams in the country are St. Norbert, St. Thomas, Stevens-Point, Adrian, and Babson. The five teams that get a bye and don't have to play Wednesday, are those five, makes sense. Geneseo and Norwich had a chance to get into that top 5 by winning last weekend, but they didn't, Oswego doesn't match up with any of those five either based on the numbers.

As for the east matchups/rankings, I thought Geneseo and Norwich was a toss up who should be higher, came down to which criteria the committee valued the most and they had Geneseo higher apparently. Oswego did beat Geneseo on Saturday, but by the numbers Geneseo still had the advantage over them with the better Win%, COP, L25, & H2H. So while you might not agree with it, it's fairly easy to see why they went with a top 4 in the east of 1.Babson 2.Geneseo 3.Norwich 4.Oswego. Bowdoin is clearly the #5 seed, followed by Salem St. and Nichols. So it only makes sense that Bowdoin would go to Oswego, Salem St. to Norwich, and Nichols to Geneseo.

The thing that I think cost Trinity their spot is that Williams lost in the semi-final Saturday and would have dropped out of the rankings, and were replaced by either Amherst or UMass Boston likely. Trinity's record vs. ranked opp. would have been 0-2 if Amherst was in or 0-0 if UMB was in, either way they have 0 wins against ranked teams all year, along with the worst SOS of all the teams in consideration, I think those two facts had to raise some question as to how difficult their schedule was compared to say Geneseo who played 6 ranked opponents or Norwich with multiple wins against ranked teams.

You don't have to agree with the selection committee's decisions, but I think it is very easy to figure out what their thinking was and why they set the bracket the way they did.
 
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Not when you lose to a 5th place 9-8-1 team.

Is "Record vs. 5th-place, 9-8-1 (in conference) teams" a secondary criterion of which I'm unaware? If it isn't, then I'm pretty sure it shouldn't weigh as heavily on Pool C selections as you imply.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

It appears to me to be really easy to see what the rankings were and why the bracket is set up the way it is.


The thing that I think cost Trinity their spot is that Williams lost in the semi-final Saturday and would have dropped out of the rankings, and were replaced by either Amherst or UMass Boston likely.

Most likely it was Amherst in, and Williams out. Norwich was 1-0 against Amherst, and 0-0 against Williams. Trinity was 1-1 against Williams and 0-2 against Amherst. The fact that the number of ranked teams has been reduced and "once ranked, always ranked" has been deleted means that RNK can dramatically change from week to week based on a small, but ever changing sample. It is worse to have a team you have beaten go from ranked to unranked only to be replaced by a team that has beaten you than to lose to a ranked team under the old system. I don't think anybody gets that.

One other point, Norwich's L25 was 5-1-1 not the 4-2-1 that Emery tweeted. Norwich's last 7 games were

CST (T), SKD(W), BAB (W), UMB (W), SKD (W), CSC (W), BAB(L)

The reg season game before CST was a loss, but the loss to BAB replaced it in the last 7.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

If ECAC-W had one more team .............

It's all RITs Fault.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Is "Record vs. 5th-place, 9-8-1 (in conference) teams" a secondary criterion of which I'm unaware? If it isn't, then I'm pretty sure it shouldn't weigh as heavily on Pool C selections as you imply.

It is not, however, you can't lose those games and be shocked at not making it. The SOS didn't help them. With the exception of Coulthard, they are returning everyone next year. Greason needs to make sure he gets some ranked teams on the non-conference schedule for 2014-15. You live and you learn.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

It is not, however, you can't lose those games and be shocked at not making it. The SOS didn't help them. With the exception of Coulthard, they are returning everyone next year. Greason needs to make sure he gets some ranked teams on the non-conference schedule for 2014-15. You live and you learn.

Sorry, I didn't mean to get all snippy. I just become paranoid when I read "Team X didn't make it because of Loss Y" despite everyone else in Pool C having a Loss Y as well. You obviously get the process, but there have been those in the past who have endlessly bemoaned teams' inclusion/omission using every rationale under the sun except the actual NCAA criteria (hellooooo, KRACH!), and they can prove a bit irksome :o
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

It is not, however, you can't lose those games and be shocked at not making it. The SOS didn't help them. With the exception of Coulthard, they are returning everyone next year. Greason needs to make sure he gets some ranked teams on the non-conference schedule for 2014-15. You live and you learn.
That prospect is a bit daunting if you refuse to play teams with a majority of {gasp} Juniors recruits, and will only play schools with like athletic philosophies that recruit from the prep ranks. Bring on D IV.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

Its hard for me to argue with the results, aside from switching out Trinity for either Geneseo or Norwich I think they got it right, I personally thought they may have Adrian come to Oswego but also had Trinity in over Geneseo. Looking forward to the tour ament should be a pretty evenly matched group full of exciting tight games. I'm an Oswego fan but I have a strange feeling that their going to make some noise and want to show that they can beat anyone that comes their way, just a great start for this freshman class.
 
Re: The 2014 Edition of My Team Got Screwed by the Selection Committee Thread

I'm an Oswego fan but I have a strange feeling that their going to make some noise and want to show that they can beat anyone that comes their way, just a great start for this freshman class.

Why would you have that feeling? Because they are scorching red-hot having won two games in Plattsburgh and one in Geneseo in the last three weeks?:D

In all seriousness, the 14 freshmen haven't been freshmen for about 10 games now. I think they are primed to make some noise, but everyone left has earned their place and whoever wins will have earned it.
 
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If Oswego were ranked higher, I wonder if we would have seen an Adrian/Geneseo @ Oswego Quarterfinal game. With this, there would have been a possibility of only one flight to Lewiston..
 
If Oswego were ranked higher, I wonder if we would have seen an Adrian/Geneseo @ Oswego Quarterfinal game. With this, there would have been a possibility of only one flight to Lewiston..

Get a bigger plane and fly both Western teams via one flight.
 
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