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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
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Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
But if you can prove Kepler wrong, at least in the state of Minnesota, it could be worth some coin.
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
How would you "prove" it to the satisfaction of the ACLU? The people really in the know about voter fraud are the ones engaging in it. Recent reports show hundreds of felons who were not eligible to vote, did so and almost certainly gave the bulk of their votes to the "comedian."
But if you can prove Kepler wrong, at least in the state of Minnesota, it could be worth some coin.
How would you "prove" it to the satisfaction of the ACLU? The people really in the know about voter fraud are the ones engaging in it. Recent reports show hundreds of felons who were not eligible to vote, did so and almost certainly gave the bulk of their votes to the "comedian."
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
I'm assuming that if you had proof of an actual conviction of someone that would be enough, although I doubt they'd pay. They also covered their butts by limiting the window of time.
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
Kepler -- see the 1994 Maryland Gubernatorial Glendening vs. Sauerbrey .
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I'm reminded of that anti-Semitic outfit (Institute for Historical Review, founded by America's foremost anti-Semite, Willis Carto) that offered a $50,000 reward for anyone who could prove the Holocaust existed. Specifically, gassings at Auswitz. A guy named Mel Mermelstein offered the proof, which of course, IHR rejected. He took them to court, charging breach of promise, and won ($90,000). Judicial/legal binding recognition of the Holocaust. What's known as a "legally incontestable fact." Mel is a true hero.
I'm reminded of that anti-Semitic outfit (Institute for Historical Review, founded by America's foremost anti-Semite, Willis Carto) that offered a $50,000 reward for anyone who could prove the Holocaust existed. Specifically, gassings at Auswitz. A guy named Mel Mermelstein offered the proof, which of course, IHR rejected. He took them to court, charging breach of promise, and won ($90,000). Judicial/legal binding recognition of the Holocaust. What's known as a "legally incontestable fact." Mel is a true hero.
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As compared to a myth with historical support.
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I think there was a study, or multiple studies that showed in Minnesota there have been a total of about 100 convictions for voter fraud over the past 3-4 years. IIRC, most of them are things like felons voting. Not real sure if any involved fraudulent use of another's id.
Voter fraud isn't a myth, but I'm also not convinced it's a problem anywhere near the proportion represented to justify things such as constitutional amendments.
In Minnesota, a debt owed out of a bet is not enforceable, so that would give the ACLU another out.
I think there was a study, or multiple studies that showed in Minnesota there have been a total of about 100 convictions for voter fraud over the past 3-4 years. IIRC, most of them are things like felons voting. Not real sure if any involved fraudulent use of another's id.
Voter fraud isn't a myth, but I'm also not convinced it's a problem anywhere near the proportion represented to justify things such as constitutional amendments.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
Try to buy OTC Sudafed without an ID, I can vote but I can't take what the Doctor told me to take without an ID
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Usually not. But in very close elections, a few extra ballots here and there can make the difference. Like the Senate election in Washington state a few years ago. Where, after the ballots were counted. and a winner declared, some ballots were "found" in Democratic King county and the race went to Christine Gregoire. Just a few thousand votes put JFK in the WH instead of Nixon. And by curious happenstance, those votes were in Illinois and Texas (home of "landslide Lyndon").
During convention coverage one year, Pulitzer Prize winner Teddy White (author of the "Making of the President series") was asked what he thought about a direct vote for president. Just eliminate the electoral college. His response: "What, and turn the election of the POTUS over to those crooks in Texas and Illinois?"
I have no idea how widespread the practice of people voting fraudulently might be. What's the standard of proof? The ballot is secret. So, sometime after the election some individuals confess that they voted more than once. So what? This will be dismissed as an anomaly. But having folks identify themselves BEFORE they cast a fraudulent ballot would seem to go a long way toward eliminating the problem, regardless of how big it is.
In an article I read recently about voter fraud in Minnesota, it was explained that to be convicted, an individual must be shown to have known what he was doing was illegal. And (here's another surprise) these guys customarily claim not to know. I'm shocked. Shocked. The article talked about something like 1900 felons voting in the controversial senate election. More than enough to tip the outcome.
I don't know about the ACLU's offer in Minnesota, but the conflict between Mr. Mermelstein and IHR was definitely not a "bet" in any accepted meaning of the word. They had made an offer, publicized it, and when Mermelstein fulfilled the requirements of their offer, they welshed. The court made 'em pay.
In Minnesota, a debt owed out of a bet is not enforceable, so that would give the ACLU another out.
I think there was a study, or multiple studies that showed in Minnesota there have been a total of about 100 convictions for voter fraud over the past 3-4 years. IIRC, most of them are things like felons voting. Not real sure if any involved fraudulent use of another's id.
Voter fraud isn't a myth, but I'm also not convinced it's a problem anywhere near the proportion represented to justify things such as constitutional amendments.
Usually not. But in very close elections, a few extra ballots here and there can make the difference. Like the Senate election in Washington state a few years ago. Where, after the ballots were counted. and a winner declared, some ballots were "found" in Democratic King county and the race went to Christine Gregoire. Just a few thousand votes put JFK in the WH instead of Nixon. And by curious happenstance, those votes were in Illinois and Texas (home of "landslide Lyndon").
During convention coverage one year, Pulitzer Prize winner Teddy White (author of the "Making of the President series") was asked what he thought about a direct vote for president. Just eliminate the electoral college. His response: "What, and turn the election of the POTUS over to those crooks in Texas and Illinois?"
I have no idea how widespread the practice of people voting fraudulently might be. What's the standard of proof? The ballot is secret. So, sometime after the election some individuals confess that they voted more than once. So what? This will be dismissed as an anomaly. But having folks identify themselves BEFORE they cast a fraudulent ballot would seem to go a long way toward eliminating the problem, regardless of how big it is.
In an article I read recently about voter fraud in Minnesota, it was explained that to be convicted, an individual must be shown to have known what he was doing was illegal. And (here's another surprise) these guys customarily claim not to know. I'm shocked. Shocked. The article talked about something like 1900 felons voting in the controversial senate election. More than enough to tip the outcome.
I don't know about the ACLU's offer in Minnesota, but the conflict between Mr. Mermelstein and IHR was definitely not a "bet" in any accepted meaning of the word. They had made an offer, publicized it, and when Mermelstein fulfilled the requirements of their offer, they welshed. The court made 'em pay.
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Now that some states are offering to give away the cards, and to reach out to folks to bring the issuance process to them, the argument has shifted to the cost of birth certificates or other documents required to get the cards. Well, since states issue birth certificates, why can't they issue them for free, too? Or, why can't some of these people just buy one or two fewer six packs to pay for the certificates?
And other states could also provide free birth certificates to people who no longer live there. Or the ID card issuing states could offer to re-imburse.
Now that some states are offering to give away the cards, and to reach out to folks to bring the issuance process to them, the argument has shifted to the cost of birth certificates or other documents required to get the cards. Well, since states issue birth certificates, why can't they issue them for free, too? Or, why can't some of these people just buy one or two fewer six packs to pay for the certificates?
And other states could also provide free birth certificates to people who no longer live there. Or the ID card issuing states could offer to re-imburse.
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Let the swiftboating begin. Obama accused of taking credit for Osama's death.
Here's yet another sign that we've had too many in the military and related organizations on the payroll to begin with.
Group launches campaign accusing Obama of taking credit for bin Laden raid
FoxNews.com
A group of former military and intelligence operatives launched an aggressive campaign against President Obama Wednesday, accusing the president of claiming undue credit for the Usama bin Laden raid and suggesting his administration is behind politically motivated security leaks.
The group, called Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc., unveiled a 22-minute video on its website, and pledged to go on air with a TV ad sometime in September.
In the video, an array of retired CIA agents and other intelligence personnel suggest the administration has been leaking security details for political gain, and specifically criticize the president over his public handling of the bin Laden raid.
"Mr. President, you did not kill Usama bin Laden. America did," Navy SEAL Ben Smith said in the video. "The work that the American military has done killed Usama bin Laden. You did not."
Let the swiftboating begin. Obama accused of taking credit for Osama's death.
Here's yet another sign that we've had too many in the military and related organizations on the payroll to begin with.
Group launches campaign accusing Obama of taking credit for bin Laden raid
FoxNews.com
A group of former military and intelligence operatives launched an aggressive campaign against President Obama Wednesday, accusing the president of claiming undue credit for the Usama bin Laden raid and suggesting his administration is behind politically motivated security leaks.
The group, called Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc., unveiled a 22-minute video on its website, and pledged to go on air with a TV ad sometime in September.
In the video, an array of retired CIA agents and other intelligence personnel suggest the administration has been leaking security details for political gain, and specifically criticize the president over his public handling of the bin Laden raid.
"Mr. President, you did not kill Usama bin Laden. America did," Navy SEAL Ben Smith said in the video. "The work that the American military has done killed Usama bin Laden. You did not."
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I see, so since these retired GI's and intelligence types are exercising their First Amendment rights, that's another reason to gut the military. We need to shut those people up, they're saying bad things about His Oneness. And fewer of them would go a long way toward achieving that objective. Got it.
A persistent myth is that so-called "swift boating" materially affected the outcome of the 2004 presidential race (similar to the Willie Horton myth). There is zero evidence to support that assertion. For sure, some guys who also fought in Vietnam and did the same work as Kerry, embarrassed him by pointing out how much air he had pumped into his military record. Such as blaming Nixon for sending him to Cambodia in December of '68, when the trickster didn't become president until January. A mere detail.
As far as I know, Kerry fought honorably and even bravely in Vietnam. It was his self-serving anti-war mendacity after he returned for which he cannot be forgiven. He testified before the Senate out of uniform--wearing ribbons on a Class C uniform. He also participated in a photo-op where he "threw back" his medals. It was only later that he confessed to throwing only ribbons and not the medals. He is personally responsible for spreading many of the myths about what our GI's did over there. He was willing, in other words, to smear the honorable service of tens of thousands of GI's to advance his political career. As I say, unforgiveable. It was Kerry who wanted to make his service as a young guy in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign for president. "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty." Remember? A latter day Audie Murphy.
So whine away about swift boating. My guess is His Ponceness won't even notice, since he's spent much of his time since the Bin Laden take down doing an end zone dance.
I see, so since these retired GI's and intelligence types are exercising their First Amendment rights, that's another reason to gut the military. We need to shut those people up, they're saying bad things about His Oneness. And fewer of them would go a long way toward achieving that objective. Got it.
A persistent myth is that so-called "swift boating" materially affected the outcome of the 2004 presidential race (similar to the Willie Horton myth). There is zero evidence to support that assertion. For sure, some guys who also fought in Vietnam and did the same work as Kerry, embarrassed him by pointing out how much air he had pumped into his military record. Such as blaming Nixon for sending him to Cambodia in December of '68, when the trickster didn't become president until January. A mere detail.
As far as I know, Kerry fought honorably and even bravely in Vietnam. It was his self-serving anti-war mendacity after he returned for which he cannot be forgiven. He testified before the Senate out of uniform--wearing ribbons on a Class C uniform. He also participated in a photo-op where he "threw back" his medals. It was only later that he confessed to throwing only ribbons and not the medals. He is personally responsible for spreading many of the myths about what our GI's did over there. He was willing, in other words, to smear the honorable service of tens of thousands of GI's to advance his political career. As I say, unforgiveable. It was Kerry who wanted to make his service as a young guy in Vietnam the centerpiece of his campaign for president. "I'm John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty." Remember? A latter day Audie Murphy.
So whine away about swift boating. My guess is His Ponceness won't even notice, since he's spent much of his time since the Bin Laden take down doing an end zone dance.
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That's what happens when political agendas trump common sense.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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Meh. Given that Romney, McCain, Hillary, Biden and everyone else all openly said that they wouldn't dare to violate Pakistan's soverignty to kill the ****er, I don't think it's going to go anywhere. Romney sure as hell isn't going to want to talk about it aside from saying "He's dead. Good."
Meh. Given that Romney, McCain, Hillary, Biden and everyone else all openly said that they wouldn't dare to violate Pakistan's soverignty to kill the ****er, I don't think it's going to go anywhere. Romney sure as hell isn't going to want to talk about it aside from saying "He's dead. Good."
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I'm not sure it was worded quite that way. I can't imagine any of the people you mentioned NOT clipping Bin Laden once we were sure of where he was. The President, as everyone agrees, gets high marks here.
I'm not sure it was worded quite that way. I can't imagine any of the people you mentioned NOT clipping Bin Laden once we were sure of where he was. The President, as everyone agrees, gets high marks here.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
Massachusetts can afford to send out letters to all EBT card holders encouraging them to register to vote at a cost of approx 1/4 million. I'd think they could afford to get birth certificates also
Massachusetts can afford to send out letters to all EBT card holders encouraging them to register to vote at a cost of approx 1/4 million. I'd think they could afford to get birth certificates also
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
Leave the 2007 NL East race out of this.
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The obvious point is, when an objection is knocked down, another will always take it's place.
The obvious point is, when an objection is knocked down, another will always take it's place.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August
The local chain of grocery stores no longer has razor cartridge refills out anymore. But they do keep the razors with the actual blade on them out there.
What the ****?!
The local chain of grocery stores no longer has razor cartridge refills out anymore. But they do keep the razors with the actual blade on them out there.
What the ****?!