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The 2012 Presidential Election Part I - The guns of August

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LynahFan said:
There's a deal I would take in a heartbeat.

In fact, i would take any deal that ended with "Live within whatever revenues those tax rates produce." Bringing back the FDR rates would be fine with me if you could actually get the Congress Critters to live within those means.
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adjusted for inflation??? :D
 
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Bob Gray said:
And who exactly has ever said that the "Clinton economy" (nice partisan phrase there) was completely due to the dot coms? I guess you buy into Rover's fantasy that the dot com bubble never existed.
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algore invented the innertubes. not bubba :D
 
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Rover said:
I wasn't going anywhere with it on this subject or 5MM's point, I was merely curious what base that was calculated off of because I see it a lot but wasn't sure of its origins.

Regarding taxes, I take a much less philosophical view. Taxes should go back to Clinton era rates for everyone, rich or poor. Why? Because that President and that Congress balanced the budget under those rates without hurting the economy. Go back to what worked previously and there's no excuses. Live within whatever revenues those tax rates produce.
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was the budget balanced when jefferson was president? washington? how about those rates?
 
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mookie1995 said:
was the budget balanced when jefferson was president? washington? how about those rates?
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Income tax wasn't constitutional until Amendment 16, by Mr. Central Bank himself, Woodrow Wilson. Although Lincoln unconstitutionally put together an income tax, big surprise the **** fascist.
 
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mookie1995 said:
was the budget balanced when jefferson was president? washington? how about those rates?
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They had Alexander Hamilton as Sec Treas. and a crushing war debt. It got paid off

They also did not have a social welfare program.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Income tax wasn't constitutional until Amendment 16, by Mr. Central Bank himself, Woodrow Wilson. Although Lincoln unconstitutionally put together an income tax, big surprise the **** fascist.
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uhhhhh. thanks :D
 
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LynahFan said:
The rich do use more and do pay more. What, exactly, is the problem?
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My 'problem' was an article whining about the government stealing from the rich which was silly (a position which it appears you now agree with). But of course, you know this.
 
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5mn_Major said:
My 'problem' was an article whining about the government stealing from the rich which was silly (a position which it appears you now agree with). But of course, you know this.
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And you don't see anything wrong with thievery?
 
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Rover said:
I'm not sure what planet he's on either. Must have been home schooled by psychopaths or something. :D
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5mn_Major said:
Yes. Yes, I do. Its been against the law for thousands of years and is not applicable here.
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So you think thievery is wrong unless it benefits you? Or am I assuming a negative case here? From what I can see, you're OK with the government stealing from the rich through taxes in order to setup programs to which they receive zero mutual benefit, such as Medicaid.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
So you think thievery is wrong unless it benefits you? Or am I assuming a negative case here? From what I can see, you're OK with the government stealing from the rich through taxes in order to setup programs to which they receive zero mutual benefit, such as Medicaid.
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One has to wonder what language we'd all be speaking right now if Flag's everybody for themselves arrogant attitude was prevalent during the Second World War. I'm guessing we'd all be fluent in German whether we liked it or not.:eek:
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
So you think thievery is wrong unless it benefits you? Or am I assuming a negative case here? From what I can see, you're OK with the government stealing from the rich through taxes in order to setup programs to which they receive zero mutual benefit, such as Medicaid.
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Pretty sure the manner in which the money is paid is closer to extortion than thievery. But people can move to another country if they really don't want to pay US taxes and prison doesn't appeal to them.

Who conceded the rich use more government services? There was one post going through a few programs but what is the basis for the "rich use more" position?
 
Rover said:
One has to wonder what language we'd all be speaking right now if Flag's everybody for themselves arrogant attitude was prevalent during the Second World War. I'm guessing we'd all be fluent in German whether we liked it or not.:eek:
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How's their economy? ;-)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
So you think thievery is wrong unless it benefits you? Or am I assuming a negative case here? From what I can see, you're OK with the government stealing from the rich through taxes in order to setup programs to which they receive zero mutual benefit, such as Medicaid.
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So, the rich would rather live in a society that does nothing for the poor. And you believe that. And taxes are thievery when it doesn't benefit the person being taxed?

Wow.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
From what I can see, you're OK with the government stealing from the rich through taxes in order to setup programs to which they receive zero mutual benefit, such as Medicaid.
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Nope, I'm not ok with it and the government is not stealing. Stealing is against the law.

When you pay taxes, you're paying into a general fund. From that pool, many services are funded of which last I checked the rich benefit from many. Also, the rich are willingly paying into that fund. If they choose not to pay, they are free at any time to break their contract with the US and give up their citizenship. No 'theft' here.
 
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Rover said:
One has to wonder what language we'd all be speaking right now if Flag's everybody for themselves arrogant attitude was prevalent during the Second World War. I'm guessing we'd all be fluent in German whether we liked it or not.:eek:
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We need an education for Rover, and please be sure to include in that education the definition of the phrase "mutual benefit".
 
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