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Where in the World are Welker and Woodhead???
Where in the World are Welker and Woodhead???
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The 2011 New England Patriots
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Lots of Giants fans out here in Indy. I knew some people don't like Brady but a lot of casual fans or fans of other teams are 'tired' of Brady and are rooting against him more than for the Giants.
Not a lot of Bellicheat comments, lots of "last time we played" talk too.
First time at the SB, pretty good so far. The Pepsi concert with steven Tyler was very good.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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please tell me you made the playboy party the other night!!!
please tell me you made the playboy party the other night!!!
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I wouldn't say Ridley is high risk - high reward. Maybe medium risk - medium reward. Hopefully he holds onto the ball like his NFL future depends on it...
I wouldn't say Ridley is high risk - high reward. Maybe medium risk - medium reward. Hopefully he holds onto the ball like his NFL future depends on it...
BCeagle
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That turned out to be a big play, the pick he threw, and not doing anything on the 2nd half drives. Congrats again to the NY Giants.
That turned out to be a big play, the pick he threw, and not doing anything on the 2nd half drives. Congrats again to the NY Giants.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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The pick was just Tom being his usual self, can't throw the ball away. Not a very good target when you figure Gronk could barely move let alone jump, course the ball was underthrown also
Brady made more mistakes , no doubt. Eli has surpassed him as the golden boy, bet Peyton is irked by that as he couldn't do it. Welkers drop was the real killer, Branches drop didn't help either. The Giants wide receivers made the plays, The Pats receivers didn't.
The pick was just Tom being his usual self, can't throw the ball away. Not a very good target when you figure Gronk could barely move let alone jump, course the ball was underthrown also
BCeagle
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Other than the Denver Game, he has not played well in a playoff game since 4 years ago against the same team NYG. I think he'll be 37 next year, time to work in another QB for the future. But he should have another 2 good seasons in him. His lack of improvisation at times in the pocket, hurts also. Like that bonehead throw down the middle while he's in the pocket and in the endzone. The balls being battered down when he does not sidestep the pocket to throw around the linemen instead of trying to throw through them. They had so many chances to put them away and it came down to Welker dropping a 1st down pass sealed the deal for the Giants. Even though it looked a bit off and a bullet, he still should have caught it. And why not use the no huddle offense from the start? That has worked for them consistently during the season and provides a flow to the offense.
No ground game except in bits and pieces. The play calling was bad and stagnant at times. Welker will probably be franchised and Chad will still be a shadow of himself. He still didn't catch many catches in the biggest game of his life.
Other than the Denver Game, he has not played well in a playoff game since 4 years ago against the same team NYG. I think he'll be 37 next year, time to work in another QB for the future. But he should have another 2 good seasons in him. His lack of improvisation at times in the pocket, hurts also. Like that bonehead throw down the middle while he's in the pocket and in the endzone. The balls being battered down when he does not sidestep the pocket to throw around the linemen instead of trying to throw through them. They had so many chances to put them away and it came down to Welker dropping a 1st down pass sealed the deal for the Giants. Even though it looked a bit off and a bullet, he still should have caught it. And why not use the no huddle offense from the start? That has worked for them consistently during the season and provides a flow to the offense.
No ground game except in bits and pieces. The play calling was bad and stagnant at times. Welker will probably be franchised and Chad will still be a shadow of himself. He still didn't catch many catches in the biggest game of his life.
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He'll be 35 by the time the season starts. He's probably got 4-5 years left.
Did he play great? No. Did he play well? Debatable. He made a couple boneheaded mistakes that ended up contributing significantly to the loss.
I think the reason they didn't use much no huddle is that the defense was on the field way too often too early.
My biggest issue with the team the past 5 years or so is that they don't manage the clock well enough. They go into Run-to-win at the wrong times. The time to do that is NOT when you're up by 2 and with 5 minutes to go. The Patriots desperately needed a score for a full quarter to at least get up by more than 3. They didn't do it. Too nonchalant. You score a TD in the 4th quarter, you don't have to worry about the clock at that point.
He'll be 35 by the time the season starts. He's probably got 4-5 years left.
Did he play great? No. Did he play well? Debatable. He made a couple boneheaded mistakes that ended up contributing significantly to the loss.
I think the reason they didn't use much no huddle is that the defense was on the field way too often too early.
My biggest issue with the team the past 5 years or so is that they don't manage the clock well enough. They go into Run-to-win at the wrong times. The time to do that is NOT when you're up by 2 and with 5 minutes to go. The Patriots desperately needed a score for a full quarter to at least get up by more than 3. They didn't do it. Too nonchalant. You score a TD in the 4th quarter, you don't have to worry about the clock at that point.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
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How much Cap space did they have this year? Its hard to blame anyone when the front office isn't getting them the pieces they need, deep receiver and Dbacks. The D exceeded my expectations in the game, the O didn't. No wonder Brady has been quick to point that out, the D has been as good as they can be in the playoffs, the O not so much.
Everyone I've talked this morning is pretty down in the dumps. Its like me and Maine hockey, every year I say I'm not going to get so wrapped up in it and every year I get sucked in and it just about kills me when they lose their final game. I could care about the Red Sox, I pay attention to the Celts and Bruins but I don't get wrapped up in it like I do the Pats. I need sleep
How much Cap space did they have this year? Its hard to blame anyone when the front office isn't getting them the pieces they need, deep receiver and Dbacks. The D exceeded my expectations in the game, the O didn't. No wonder Brady has been quick to point that out, the D has been as good as they can be in the playoffs, the O not so much.
Everyone I've talked this morning is pretty down in the dumps. Its like me and Maine hockey, every year I say I'm not going to get so wrapped up in it and every year I get sucked in and it just about kills me when they lose their final game
. I could care about the Red Sox, I pay attention to the Celts and Bruins but I don't get wrapped up in it like I do the Pats. I need sleepRe: The 2011 New England Patriots
I actually thought Brady was very sharp outside of the 2-3 big mistakes (safety, underthrown INT to Gronkowski with no one over the top, perhaps throwing behind Welker), but those mistakes really killed them. What's frustrating is that the offense isn't a ragtag group. They've invested heavily in offense, both along the line (Mankins and Solder are 1st-rounders, Light and Vollmer are 2nd-rounders, Waters is a former All-Pro they signed as a FA) and at the skill positions (Gronkowski fell to the second round because of an injury, Hernandez to the fourth because of a positive drug test, they traded a 2nd and 7th for Welker, they traded two picks for Ochocinco, they traded a pick for Branch, who they originally drafted in the 2nd round out of Louisville). They even spent two high draft choices in 2011 on running backs (neither of whom played last night). And of course, they pay Brady as much as any player in football. Yet in the end, all they could muster was 17 points -- which is exactly what the mediocre 49ers offense scored against the Giants two weeks ago. Not good enough.
The D is the ragtag group, partly because of failed draft choices but also due to the fact that the mid-00 teams got old at once and Belichick had to basically turn over the entire unit. I thought they were okay last night, but they could've made the stop at the end and didn't. So they could've closed out the game on offense and on defense and did neither. Disappointing.
All in all it was a good, exciting year. It takes some luck to win three SBs by three points and perhaps these last two brutal defeats are just a matter of things evening out. Would have loved to see them get their fourth, though. Maybe someday.
I actually thought Brady was very sharp outside of the 2-3 big mistakes (safety, underthrown INT to Gronkowski with no one over the top, perhaps throwing behind Welker), but those mistakes really killed them. What's frustrating is that the offense isn't a ragtag group. They've invested heavily in offense, both along the line (Mankins and Solder are 1st-rounders, Light and Vollmer are 2nd-rounders, Waters is a former All-Pro they signed as a FA) and at the skill positions (Gronkowski fell to the second round because of an injury, Hernandez to the fourth because of a positive drug test, they traded a 2nd and 7th for Welker, they traded two picks for Ochocinco, they traded a pick for Branch, who they originally drafted in the 2nd round out of Louisville). They even spent two high draft choices in 2011 on running backs (neither of whom played last night). And of course, they pay Brady as much as any player in football. Yet in the end, all they could muster was 17 points -- which is exactly what the mediocre 49ers offense scored against the Giants two weeks ago. Not good enough.
The D is the ragtag group, partly because of failed draft choices but also due to the fact that the mid-00 teams got old at once and Belichick had to basically turn over the entire unit. I thought they were okay last night, but they could've made the stop at the end and didn't. So they could've closed out the game on offense and on defense and did neither. Disappointing.
All in all it was a good, exciting year. It takes some luck to win three SBs by three points and perhaps these last two brutal defeats are just a matter of things evening out. Would have loved to see them get their fourth, though. Maybe someday.
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Just thinking through that incomplete pass to Welker, they've have had 1st-and-10 at the 20 and wouldn't have had to take another snap until 3:20. Probably a run, and then NY uses its last timeout at 3:15. If they go conservative there, they can milk it to 2:00, they have a FG attempt from 30-something yards, and the Giants are out of timeouts. If they get one more first down, that's the ballgame. But yeah, that didn't happen ...
Just thinking through that incomplete pass to Welker, they've have had 1st-and-10 at the 20 and wouldn't have had to take another snap until 3:20. Probably a run, and then NY uses its last timeout at 3:15. If they go conservative there, they can milk it to 2:00, they have a FG attempt from 30-something yards, and the Giants are out of timeouts. If they get one more first down, that's the ballgame. But yeah, that didn't happen ...
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Commentary thus far has pretty much summed up my thoughts. Brady is no longer playing at a championship level. Could be age, could be the defenses are getting better. I don't know. However, one can't hide the fact that he's played poorly in the playoffs going back to 2005. His best game against a good team over that stretch was the loss to the Colts in the AFC championship. Denver this year and I think Jax in 07 weren't good teams. He played poorly in both the AFC title wins vs the Charges in 07 and Baltimore this year. He played alright but not nearly good enough in both Super Bowls. Unfortunately he's squandered his chance at being an all time legend. Joe Montana he ain't. I don't get why he has to loft those jump balls deep downfield where a slow lumbering linebacker has a chance to get under the ball for a pick. He did the same thing vs the Ravens for another pick. They were at midfield and a clock chewing TD drive ices the game. Not to mention the rookie mistake safety that he took
Giants were ultimately right. He does have happy feet back there now as the line did a good job protecting him but he got nervous around pressure, far more than Eli Gump did. Gump didn't play a superb game but he didn't make any mistakes and Brady and the Pats blinked first. Too bad, as this team could have easily been 5-0 in Super Bowls.
Commentary thus far has pretty much summed up my thoughts. Brady is no longer playing at a championship level. Could be age, could be the defenses are getting better. I don't know. However, one can't hide the fact that he's played poorly in the playoffs going back to 2005. His best game against a good team over that stretch was the loss to the Colts in the AFC championship. Denver this year and I think Jax in 07 weren't good teams. He played poorly in both the AFC title wins vs the Charges in 07 and Baltimore this year. He played alright but not nearly good enough in both Super Bowls. Unfortunately he's squandered his chance at being an all time legend. Joe Montana he ain't. I don't get why he has to loft those jump balls deep downfield where a slow lumbering linebacker has a chance to get under the ball for a pick. He did the same thing vs the Ravens for another pick. They were at midfield and a clock chewing TD drive ices the game. Not to mention the rookie mistake safety that he took
Giants were ultimately right. He does have happy feet back there now as the line did a good job protecting him but he got nervous around pressure, far more than Eli Gump did. Gump didn't play a superb game but he didn't make any mistakes and Brady and the Pats blinked first. Too bad, as this team could have easily been 5-0 in Super Bowls.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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Just goes to show.... Y'all shouldn't discount the cheating effect!
Just goes to show.... Y'all shouldn't discount the cheating effect!
Re: The 2011 New England Patriots
I think his arm has weakened and the long-ball is no longer a viable option...may be selective memory, but when was the last time he hit a pass that was in the air for 30-40+ yards without broken coverage leaving our guy wide open? The decision on the Giants penalty on the last drive, to waste 9 seconds and throw a bomb into double coverage was questionable too...sure it could have been complete but the play needed to be 4-5 seconds long and have a higher probability of success.
It seems for him to throw it 40 yards he has to just chuck it and hope. That being said, Gronkowski would have been better off with a OPI call than letting a LB outmuscle him for the ball.
I thought the Pats got the benefit of a few non-calls on PI but the refs were still too active...if they didn't call grounding on that first play, nobody complains...then later in the game they let him throw one into the flat where only the tackle was in the vicinity...gladly switch those two calls.
The Hernandez drop was also very costly, would love to see the charts on successful 2 minute drills and what % start with a 4-16 as the first positive play. When the O gets rolling it is uncanny how often it steamrolls...instead we used up a lot of time and 1 TO and were still no further than 3 plays -6 yards.
Sure one play doesn't lose a game (as they say) but if you only have 57 seconds left, why not catch the ball and see if you can have 7 plays win the game...just a thought.
I think his arm has weakened and the long-ball is no longer a viable option...may be selective memory, but when was the last time he hit a pass that was in the air for 30-40+ yards without broken coverage leaving our guy wide open? The decision on the Giants penalty on the last drive, to waste 9 seconds and throw a bomb into double coverage was questionable too...sure it could have been complete but the play needed to be 4-5 seconds long and have a higher probability of success.
It seems for him to throw it 40 yards he has to just chuck it and hope. That being said, Gronkowski would have been better off with a OPI call than letting a LB outmuscle him for the ball.
I thought the Pats got the benefit of a few non-calls on PI but the refs were still too active...if they didn't call grounding on that first play, nobody complains...then later in the game they let him throw one into the flat where only the tackle was in the vicinity...gladly switch those two calls.
The Hernandez drop was also very costly, would love to see the charts on successful 2 minute drills and what % start with a 4-16 as the first positive play. When the O gets rolling it is uncanny how often it steamrolls...instead we used up a lot of time and 1 TO and were still no further than 3 plays -6 yards.
Sure one play doesn't lose a game (as they say) but if you only have 57 seconds left, why not catch the ball and see if you can have 7 plays win the game...just a thought.
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What does U Maine hockey have to do with this?
Just goes to show.... Y'all shouldn't discount the cheating effect!
What does U Maine hockey have to do with this?