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The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Is this a joke?
Is this a joke?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Who's we in this sentence? Cause I still have yet to be asked by my President to sacrifice anything for the cause. Bush told me to go shopping. What he didn't ask me to do is pay a war tax, or allow my representatives in Congress to declare War.
Obama is much of the same.
Who's we in this sentence? Cause I still have yet to be asked by my President to sacrifice anything for the cause. Bush told me to go shopping. What he didn't ask me to do is pay a war tax, or allow my representatives in Congress to declare War.
Obama is much of the same.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
dx,
No it isnt a joke...he is saying even the most noble are willing to do very immoral things. It all comes down to what it means to you.
And Scooby, I meant our country mainly our government. Things are always easier when you have a boogyman to fight against and there will ALWAYS be terrorism. It isnt like it just showed up out of the blue one day but no one takes North Korea or China seriously and we need someone to point to and call evil and as luck would have it...
dx,
No it isnt a joke...he is saying even the most noble are willing to do very immoral things. It all comes down to what it means to you.
And Scooby, I meant our country mainly our government. Things are always easier when you have a boogyman to fight against and there will ALWAYS be terrorism. It isnt like it just showed up out of the blue one day but no one takes North Korea or China seriously and we need someone to point to and call evil and as luck would have it...
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Dude. Arms are the only thing we make that anybody wants. Ixne on the eezefre.
Dude. Arms are the only thing we make that anybody wants. Ixne on the eezefre.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
It all comes down to votes. Now that it exists (war on terror) it can be used as a political football by the left and right to further polarize the country. Same with a lot of other issues. Taxes, abortion, energy, etc. Nothing ever gets done because someone that's rich has a very good reason (money) for a particular problem to stay status quo.
It all comes down to votes. Now that it exists (war on terror) it can be used as a political football by the left and right to further polarize the country. Same with a lot of other issues. Taxes, abortion, energy, etc. Nothing ever gets done because someone that's rich has a very good reason (money) for a particular problem to stay status quo.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
You say that like you think there's no way to win, so let's just quit trying.
There are legitimate things for the government to spend money on. National defense is one of them. That's not to say that the national defense budget doesn't deserve scrutiny, but just arbitrarily calling for its freeze or to slash it when there's so much else to start with is kind of a joke from where I've been.
You say that like you think there's no way to win, so let's just quit trying.
There are legitimate things for the government to spend money on. National defense is one of them. That's not to say that the national defense budget doesn't deserve scrutiny, but just arbitrarily calling for its freeze or to slash it when there's so much else to start with is kind of a joke from where I've been.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Nobody's saying give up our ability defend ourselves. But as times change, the cold war wraps up, the economy becomes more global...countries are looking to prosper economically, not so much militarily. The following is a budget chart from Wiki showing the US military budget adjusted for inflation.
Note that even as the cold war has ended and direct international threats requiring a large military have eased , our budget has not let up. This is the problem.
Nobody's saying give up our ability defend ourselves. But as times change, the cold war wraps up, the economy becomes more global...countries are looking to prosper economically, not so much militarily. The following is a budget chart from Wiki showing the US military budget adjusted for inflation.
Note that even as the cold war has ended and direct international threats requiring a large military have eased , our budget has not let up. This is the problem.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Me, too. If by cracking up you mean, "weeping for our future."
I know you're over it by now, but I'm still clinging to a shred of hope. I should just give up and join you - probably a lot less frustrating.
Me, too. If by cracking up you mean, "weeping for our future."
I know you're over it by now, but I'm still clinging to a shred of hope. I should just give up and join you - probably a lot less frustrating.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Sacred Cow - it's what's for dinner.
Um, no. I said that maintaining current levels of military spending won't allow us to beat Al Qaeda. How did you manage to twist that into my saying that nothing would ever work?
Sacred Cow - it's what's for dinner.
unofan
Well-known member
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
To be fair, though, the national defense budget makes up nearly half of the discretionary budget ($660B out of $1.36T). While there's plenty of other areas to slash, you can't make a dent in the debt without cutting the defense budget too.
It's like states trying to balance the books without cutting education budgets - it's really hard to do when you refuse to cut the single largest piece of the puzzle.
Or for a personal example, now that i'm repaying student loans, that money has to come from somewhere. Even though food is a legitimate thing to spend money on, I still cut my food budget by not eating out as much, brown-bagging lunches, etc.
To be fair, though, the national defense budget makes up nearly half of the discretionary budget ($660B out of $1.36T). While there's plenty of other areas to slash, you can't make a dent in the debt without cutting the defense budget too.
It's like states trying to balance the books without cutting education budgets - it's really hard to do when you refuse to cut the single largest piece of the puzzle.
Or for a personal example, now that i'm repaying student loans, that money has to come from somewhere. Even though food is a legitimate thing to spend money on, I still cut my food budget by not eating out as much, brown-bagging lunches, etc.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
dangit jim. how we goin to devlop warp drives.
I wonder about the predator drones and the guys/gals flying them 7000 miles away (I wonder if they get hazard pay). why couldn't we do the same thing with ground based tanks/ATV.
dangit jim. how we goin to devlop warp drives.
I wonder about the predator drones and the guys/gals flying them 7000 miles away (I wonder if they get hazard pay). why couldn't we do the same thing with ground based tanks/ATV.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Who's refusing? All I'm saying is that just arbitrarily saying we need a national defense spending freeze, and the rest of the world should follow suit, is pretty foolish.
Who's refusing? All I'm saying is that just arbitrarily saying we need a national defense spending freeze, and the rest of the world should follow suit, is pretty foolish.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Well, one good twist deserves another, I always say.
Yeah, like education, social security, welfare, etc. etc.
Well, one good twist deserves another, I always say.
Sacred Cow - it's what's for dinner.
Yeah, like education, social security, welfare, etc. etc.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Cut away. I have no sacred cows. Education, welfare, Social Security, Medicare. I don't care about any of it.
right back at ya.
Well, one good twist deserves another, I always say.
Yeah, like education, social security, welfare, etc. etc.
Cut away. I have no sacred cows. Education, welfare, Social Security, Medicare. I don't care about any of it.
right back at ya.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Yeah, i get that. I"m asking does he really think driving an F-150 is going to wreck the lives of "billions" of people. Which on its face is beyond preposterous.
When china is firing up a new coal plant every week or so everyone in in the US could drive a hummer and it wouldn't even spike beyond the background noise in the CO2 levels.
Edit: I wonder if he's ever driven in a minnesota/midwest winter...
Yeah, i get that. I"m asking does he really think driving an F-150 is going to wreck the lives of "billions" of people. Which on its face is beyond preposterous.
When china is firing up a new coal plant every week or so everyone in in the US could drive a hummer and it wouldn't even spike beyond the background noise in the CO2 levels.
Edit: I wonder if he's ever driven in a minnesota/midwest winter...
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
I believe I was the one who advanced the issue...
and seems to me I was saying that we need to reach an agreement on a world defense spending freeze. As the US pays about half the world's military budget...this sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
I believe I was the one who advanced the issue...
and seems to me I was saying that we need to reach an agreement on a world defense spending freeze. As the US pays about half the world's military budget...this sounds like a pretty good idea to me.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Ha I wonder where anti-gravity is at... theoritically possible speculation or impossible pipe dream.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warpstat_prt.htm
So we're spending $18billion for NASA and $7billion for TSA. If I had my way TSA would be disbanded and sent back to private screeners making minimum wage and NASA budget will include mission to Mars and Jupiter. Dang the soft image on "terror" and "security". Obama lacks vision, where is the "I have a dream" "Ask what you can do for your country" "we do it not because it's easy but because it's hard" speeches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
Ha I wonder where anti-gravity is at... theoritically possible speculation or impossible pipe dream.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/warpstat_prt.htm
So we're spending $18billion for NASA and $7billion for TSA. If I had my way TSA would be disbanded and sent back to private screeners making minimum wage and NASA budget will include mission to Mars and Jupiter. Dang the soft image on "terror" and "security". Obama lacks vision, where is the "I have a dream" "Ask what you can do for your country" "we do it not because it's easy but because it's hard" speeches.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Administration
XYZ
Smoking in the selection room.
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!
Keep in mind that we've never had much real-time clue as to what Russia and China spend on defense.
Keep in mind that we've never had much real-time clue as to what Russia and China spend on defense.