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The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

At least they are cutting back...Obama said he'll cut spending $4million dollars in salaries.

That might offset this:

http://blog.american.com/?p=10362


Look at number 5. Now tell me health care will be cheaper if run by the government. or anything for that matter.
Here are some key findings of the analysis of federal salary data:

1. The number of federal employees making six figures or more increased by 120,595 employees (46 percent) during the recession, from 262,163 employees in December 2007 to 382,758 in June 2009 (see chart above).

2. The number of federal workers making $150,000 or more has more than doubled since the recession started, from about 30,000 in December 2007 to more than 66,000 by the summer of 2009 (see chart).

3. The highest-paid group of federal employees, those making $170,000 or more, has almost doubled in less than two years, growing from 11,480 when the recession started to more than 22,000 by the time the recession most likely ended in June 2009 (see chart).

4. When the recession started in December 2007, the Department of Transportation had only one employee earning more than $170,000. Eighteen months later, in June 2009, there were almost 1,700 employees earning more than $170,000, for an eye-popping increase of 168,900 percent!

5. The explosion of federal employees earning six-figure salaries increased the average federal worker’s pay to $71,206 in 2009, which is 76.5 percent higher than the average salary of $40,331 for workers in the private sector.

6. The pay of federal employees is usually capped by their agency’s top administrator. When Randy Babitt was sworn in as the head of the Federal Aviation Administration in June 2009 at a higher salary than his predecessor, nearly 1,700 FAA employees had their salaries pushed above $170,000.

Admittedly I am a federal employee (not over the 100K limbo line but give me a couple of years)... in regards to #5... is that comparing like jobs to like jobs.

IMO, the problem is that its an easy passage for some from mid-levels to their caps (often GS-12... at least as far as I can tell)... then you have deal with the executive bits.

Most of those making over 100K are managers... and in the real world most of these manager positions probably wouldn't make 100K. There are others who do make 100K on their talents (and I know quite a few of them) so lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. I would suggest that the biggest escalator is that managerial bloat... managers are all GS-13 and above.

edit: as to health care... yes, salaries would probably be high for the people we usually consider to be of not much salary worth... but the biggest issues would be the rest of the systemic inefficiencies. I'm not going to defend the salary of an average desk jockey but I don't think that's going to be the thing that screws all of us.
 
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Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Admittedly I am a federal employee (not over the 100K limbo line but give me a couple of years)... in regards to #5... is that comparing like jobs to like jobs.

IMO, the problem is that its an easy passage for some from mid-levels to their caps (often GS-12... at least as far as I can tell)... then you have deal with the executive bits.

Most of those making over 100K are managers... and in the real world most of these manager positions probably wouldn't make 100K. There are others who do make 100K on their talents (and I know quite a few of them) so lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. I would suggest that the biggest escalator is that managerial bloat... managers are all GS-13 and above.

edit: as to health care... yes, salaries would probably be high for the people we usually consider to be of not much salary worth... but the biggest issues would be the rest of the systemic inefficiencies. I'm not going to defend the salary of an average desk jockey but I don't think that's going to be the thing that screws all of us.

There are comments out there that the government vends out low level jobs and negotiates those contracts hard so that impacts the average wage comparison. That opens up a whole bucket of questions...how does the government count that spending in terms of individual departments, when we look at the growth of the government in terms of FTE are they not including these outsourced jobs (from what I read, the answer is no), it was listed as a positive that the gov't grinds down the vendor contracts...if they have to be US citizens doing these jobs, is the government screwing US workers by driving down wages, are these workers getting worse salary and benefits than they would if they were government employees, if low level jobs are not in the FTE calcs how on earth could the govt need so many high level people

Patman, no offense intended. I try to point out the insanity of government spending but know plenty of people that are govt employees. No reflection on them....they certainly make a lot of money and get great security...they aren't to blame.
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Well, Kepler and Priceless' guys are sure doing one hell of a bang-up job on the economy.

I'll have to do some data mining one of these days and re-post some of their collective silliness during the election cycle.
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Patman, no offense intended. I try to point out the insanity of government spending but know plenty of people that are govt employees. No reflection on them....they certainly make a lot of money and get great security...they aren't to blame.

Meh... I'm not going to worry about it... I'm not going to be some defender of the federal system... BS is BS.

Now that being said, how many people does DOT hire? 1,700 persons making more than 170K?!?!
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Hmmmm...Maybe Wall Street shenanigans with Greece are causing U.S. taxpayers to help bail Greece out? From today's Casey Daily Dispatch:

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Are you unknowingly bailing out Greece?

It’s not out of the question, thinks Ron Paul.

Here’s what he had to say on the matter:

Greece is only the latest in a series of countries that have faced this type of crisis in recent memory. Not too long ago the same types of fears were mounting about Dubai, and before that, Iceland. Several other countries (Spain, Portugal, Ireland, Latvia) are approaching crisis levels with public debt as well. Many have strong ties to Goldman Sachs, and the case could easily be made that default could have serious implications for big US banking cartels. Considering the ties between the Fed and these big banks, it is not outlandish to wonder if the US taxpayer is secretly bailing out the entire world, country by country, even as our real unemployment tops 20 percent. Unless laws are changed to allow a complete and meaningful audit of the Federal Reserve, including its agreements with foreign central banks, we might never know if this is occurring or not.

Sounds kind of like conspiracy theorist rhetoric, huh?

Perhaps not so much. The strong ties to Goldman Sachs Paul alludes to are most certainly rooted in fact. Just last week The New York Times ran an article titled “Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe’s Crisis.”

To quote the article:

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street’s help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning. In early November — three months before Athens became the epicenter of global financial anxiety — a team from Goldman Sachs arrived in the ancient city with a very modern proposition for a government struggling to pay its bills, according to two people who were briefed on the meeting.

The bankers, led by Goldman’s president, Gary D. Cohn, held out a financing instrument that would have pushed debt from Greece’s health care system far into the future, much as when strapped homeowners take out second mortgages to pay off their credit cards.

It had worked before. In 2001, just after Greece was admitted to Europe’s monetary union, Goldman helped the government quietly borrow billions, people familiar with the transaction said. That deal, hidden from public view because it was treated as a currency trade rather than a loan, helped Athens to meet Europe’s deficit rules while continuing to spend beyond its means.

So the link between Goldman Sachs and Greece is well established. And everyone knows of the revolving door between Goldman and the Federal Reserve. Paul’s concern probably seems more plausible now, doesn’t it? And he’s right, unless laws are changed to allow a complete and meaningful audit of the Federal Reserve, including its agreements with foreign central banks, we will never know if this is occurring or not.
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Good article from Rolling Stone on how the big Wall Street banks are scamming the country:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/32255149/wall_streets_bailout_hustle

Taibbi was ahead of the game on this stuff...this is at least his third article detailing how GS and their ilk have basically fleeced us all and the government has let them. It is amazing how much we are being bent over.
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

Which state is the "United State"? Just curious.
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

In the 21st century version of island hopping, President Obama proposed skipping the moon and going for an asteroid and then to Mars.

This will happen sometime before the 22nd century.

Did somebody fail to read "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress"???
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

In the 21st century version of island hopping, President Obama proposed skipping the moon and going for an asteroid and then to Mars.

This will happen sometime before the 22nd century.

Did somebody fail to read "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress"???

Did anyone ask him which asteroid he had in mind?
 
Re: The 2011 Budget of the United State - Alice, you're not going to the moon!

In the 21st century version of island hopping, President Obama proposed skipping the moon and going for an asteroid and then to Mars.

This will happen sometime before the 22nd century.

Did somebody fail to read "The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress"???

Maybe he's trying to avoid the revolt. :p
 
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