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The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

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Looks like it could come down to Kevin McCarthy (establishment) vs Jeb Hensarling (insurgency). Jim Jordan (chair of the ultra-nutbar Freedom Caucus) mostly getting mentioned in the same breath with things like "he's obnoxious and disliked".

A look at the Big Three.

Scalise is not a serious candidate, he's just included for bait. Supposedly Scalise would like to be Whip, which is ridiculous unless Jordan pulls it out, and Mark Meadows, the guy who set up the "guillotine motion" on Boehner, and who apparently Boehner tried to get primaried out, would like to be HML which is the Prince of Wales position.
 
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I think the scholarly and learned Kep has a good summary, but I'll quibble with one minor point. I don't think the Nutters are going to go away quietly at this point.

So, perhaps for this particular showdown, a clean CR will pass which I believe lasts until Dec 11th. Great, but what happens then? Or when the debt ceiling limit is hit? You can't keep putting the crazies off, especially in an election year. If McCarthy lets say follows this plan, he's going to be out on his a ss just as quick as the Boner resigned.

I don't see this ending well. Boner had a few things going for him. 1) he raised a ton of money for people, and money buys you some loyalty. 2) Nobody wanted the job as it was easier to just blast him while he was in it, but that's a moot point now that he quit. The problem the Republicans have, and the reason why the Trump + Carson combination is getting over 50% in the primary polls, is because of the perception of too much selling out by the GOP majority in Congress. I believe they're even less willing to tolerate selling out by a new leader than they were by the old one.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Frankly, I'm kind of worried by who's going to replace Boehner. He may come off as pretty far right, but I have a gut feeling that he actually held some of the derp in check behind the scenes.
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boner was far right? tf f
 
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Rover said:
So, perhaps for this particular showdown, a clean CR will pass which I believe lasts until Dec 11th.
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The CR can last until the end of the current Congress (well, until the end of the fiscal year on September 30, 2016 anyway) if they write it that way, and back in the summer there was talk of doing just that. The GOP establishment hope is that the TP was a racist reaction to the election of a black president (granted, one they helped create with their insane rhetoric) that got out of hand, and after The Unblackening it will peter out or at least recede back to the white supremacist wing who they can then carefully hide out of view while winking to, again.

Your December date might be the anticipated point at which the debt ceiling has to be raised again. There the hope is that the shenanigans last time educated enough people that raising the debt ceiling isn't spending money, it's just paying bills we've already accrued. But even with that, since this is politics the GOP establishment is divided between those who want to keep using it the create hostage crises and those who think it's so potentially destabilizing to the economy that they should just get rid of it entirely, the way the country ran for the first 200+ years. That latter split is basically social cons v corporate cons, and it will be interesting to learn whether the corporate cons still have the whip hand.
 
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Kepler said:
The CR can last until the end of the current Congress (well, until the end of the fiscal year on September 30, 2016 anyway) if they write it that way, and back in the summer there was talk of doing just that. The GOP establishment hope is that the TP was a racist reaction to the election of a black president (granted, one they helped create with their insane rhetoric) that got out of hand, and after The Unblackening it will peter out or at least recede back to the white supremacist wing who they can then carefully hide out of view while winking to, again.
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I believe the Senate CR is until Dec 11th of this year which is why I brought it up. I'm not sure if the more conservative House would go along with a longer extension, but perhaps they will with Boner + Dems + other retiring Goopers pushing that over the line in order to save their party some turmoil. Problem is that will expire in the middle of election season, so it'll be real interesting to see what happens whenever this issue comes up again.
 
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Rover said:
I believe the Senate CR is until Dec 11th of this year which is why I brought it up.
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That was Cochrane's amendment that was defeated. Note the language:

the legislation places a one-year prohibition on federal funding for Planned Parenthood or its affiliates unless such entities certify they will not perform or fund abortions. The bill redirects the estimated $235 million in mandatory savings to increase funding for community health centers.
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That made it a dead letter.

Here's the box score -- it was formally Senate Amendment 2669 on House Joint Resolution 61, the (hold your nose) "Hire More Heroes Act of 2015," which is getting a real workout -- it was also the vehicle for the GOP posturing on the Iran deal.

It was tabled yesterday, after the 47-52 vote against.

Something cool I just learned: there's no legal or procedural difference between a joint resolution and a bill. It's just a matter of convention and history that each is used for different purposes.
 
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I don't think Boehner stood up to the derps because their platform was part and parcel to his own. They will either wise up and go with a strong willed moderate or go full blown batchit crazy with his replacement. He will not be a replica of the Boneman.
 
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Harry Reid tweeted this yesterday.
By ousting a good man like Speaker Boehner -- someone who understood the art of compromise -- the party of Eisenhower and Reagan is no more.
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Wot!?!?!?
 
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joecct said:
Harry Reid tweeted this yesterday.


Wot!?!?!?
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Two possible reasons. First, he may have actually liked Boehner, and appreciated his company despite their differences. Also, you look at his caucus, and Boehner really did, from my point of view, temper some of their more loony positions.

Second, he wants to give the GOP pause before they select their next Speaker, regardless of his actual thoughts on Boehner or his time as Speaker.
 
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joecct said:
Harry Reid tweeted this yesterday.

Wot!?!?!?
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It's what you say when somebody retires. People said nice stuff about Newt went he went, and Newt was universally despised even by his own conference.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I don't think Boehner stood up to the derps because their platform was part and parcel to his own. They will either wise up and go with a strong willed moderate or go full blown batchit crazy with his replacement. He will not be a replica of the Boneman.
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If they go with full blown Taxed Enough Already party, it shows the party has a backbone and wants to be rooted in the base that has carried their beliefs in the last 6 or so years. If they go full blown illuminati, basically Boner II, then it shows that the GOP is doomed, and there truly is no difference between the two parties when it comes to the freedom of citizens.
 
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If they go with full blown Taxed Enough Already party, it shows the party has a backbone and wants to be rooted in the base that has carried their beliefs in the last 6 or so years. If they go full blown illuminati, basically Boner II, then it shows that the GOP is doomed, and there truly is no difference between the two parties when it comes to the freedom of citizens.
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I'm completely on board with the Goopers choosing a nutter for House Speaker. Old drunks like the Boner represent a country club conservatism that no longer reflects the base of the party. Get someone who speaks the language of the people who make up the party caucus. McCarthy is going to have the same problem in a couple of months. A younger, less weepy but otherwise identical version of The Impotent Boner will not be an improvement.
 
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“I think it signals the crazies have taken over the party, taken over to the party that you can remove a speaker of the House who’s second in line to be president, a constitutional officer in the middle of his term with no allegations of impropriety, a person who’s honest and doing his job. This has never happened before in our country,” [Representative Peter] King said in an interview on CNN. “He could have stayed on.”
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http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-rep-peter-king-the-crazies-have-taken-over-the-party

I think Representative King forgot to remind everyone that he's one of the crazies.

The whole Republican Party is a clown show. They deserve Fiorina representing them.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/gop-rep-peter-king-the-crazies-have-taken-over-the-party

I think Representative King forgot to remind everyone that he's one of the crazies.

The whole Republican Party is a clown show. They deserve Fiorina representing them.
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Agreed. I blame guys like King and Boner more than the nutters. At least the loonies are consistent. Establishment dinosaurs thought they could play footsie under the table with the nuts (Birtherism, etc), but then they'd be there to back the corporate agenda. Too bad its come back to bite them.
 
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I think Representative King forgot to remind everyone that he's one of the crazies.
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OTOH, when the guy who holds HUAC hearings to criminalize being Muslim says you're crazy...

I have to think we've reached the very bottom. The age old dream of giving a megaphone to everybody, no matter how ignorant, stupid or irresponsible has been achieved. From now on it should get slowly better. Right? The novelty of the nutters will wear off and average people will begin to ignore them. Imperceptibly they'll lose market share in the forum of ideas, and eventually they'll be pushed back under their rocks.

Right?
 
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Who is Fiorina representing? She's never won an election.
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You represent the party when you're at the top of the polls. It may not last long but for now she's out there and is a face of the GOP along with Carson and Trump.

Let the implosion continue.

“McConnell needs to resign!!” Louisiana GOP Chairman Roger Villere wrote in a Facebook posting.

Mr. Villere isn’t just any Republican. He’s the longest-serving state GOP chairman in the nation, with 12 years on the job, and is the vice chairman of the Republican National Committee, the GOP’s national governing body. He also serves on the RNC’s executive committee that makes decisions alongside Chairman Reince Priebus.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/27/mitch-mcconnell-pushed-resign-senate-majority-lead/

Boner's Gone now get rid of the Turtle.
 
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