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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

So, what happened was:

Wars
Boomers
Tax cuts

We need to get rid of all three.

I think we should keep Boomer
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Under the proposed Amendment, the budget would be 2.54T
Defense Spending = .721T
Interest on Debt = .196T
Mandatory Spending (less Education, Energy, Medicare and Soc Security) = 1.029T
That comes to 1.95T

With the remaining $590B we'd have to run the government. That includes Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, DOJ, Education, Energy, Housing, Veterans, Agriculture, Transportation, Environment...

We won't need death panels because the average age will drop to about 40. That solves the need for Social Security and Medicare. With the decrease of the surplus population we'll see the end of unemployment and the energy and housing problems will be fixed. We won't need schools because we'll need those kids for our workforce.

Still, it might be nice to have the FDA, OSHA, NASA, the FAA and the courts and jails. But we can make do. We can execute anyone guilty of a crime, drink polluted water and eat poisoned food while we watch airplanes crash into each other. Panem et circenses!
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

So, what happened was:

Wars
Boomers
Tax cuts
We need to get rid of all three.

Back in 2006 the gov't took in over 19% of GDP with the same rates as today. The recession caused the revenue drop, not the tax cuts.

*can't get the link to work right now
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Back in 2006 the gov't took in over 19% of GDP with the same rates as today. The recession caused the revenue drop, not the tax cuts.

*can't get the link to work right now

Talking points again? Really. :rolleyes:
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

John F. Kennedy (1917-1963, 35th American President)
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

I thought you were a boomer?

Tail end (Hiroshima to Dallas). I'm still a net revenue source by a huge margin, though, so I'd ask to be kept around a bit longer.
 
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If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

John F. Kennedy (1917-1963, 35th American President)

You can't trust him...he admitted to being a Berliner!!
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Lack of confidence and lack of capital. That and the by-product of greed.

Well, ok.

But, I would argue that those tax cuts never stimulated anything. The Bush economic recovery in the early 2000's was entirely fueld by vapor and all the tax cuts were was a giveaway to the rich and MinnFan. Yet they were sold as such. Another lie. And they're still not working.
 
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The tax cuts were their own justification. That's how they moved seamlessly from "we have a surplus therefore we need tax cuts" to "we have a deficit therefore we need tax cuts." They could as easily have said, "you're wearing socks today therefore we need tax cuts." It wasn't logic, it was payback.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Last summer, the Wall Street Journal ran a story that revealed Eric Cantor had as much as $15,000 invested in ProShares Trust Ultrashort 20-plus Year Treasury ETF. As the name implies, this mutual fund “aggressively shorts” long-term U.S. Treasury bonds. That means when the U.S. debt load is at its worst, the ProShares EFT produces maximum ROI.

Rep. Cantor’s financial records, which are publicly available via sources like OpenSecrets.org, indicate that he still has as much as $15,000 invested in the ProShares fund. According to government insiders, if the U.S. government is unable to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2, the nation will begin to default on its debt payments to creditors. According to Bloomberg, this will also force a government shutdown that will furlough 800,000 federal workers.

“If the debt ceiling isn’t raised, investors would start fleeing U.S. Treasuries,” Matt Koppenheffer of Motley Fool told Salon. “Yields would rise, prices would fall, and the ProShares ETF should do very well. It would spike.”

Conflict of interest? What conflict of interest?
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Conflict of interest? What conflict of interest?

While it looks bad and is a perfect example of why Congressmen should have to put investments in a blind trust or outright divest themselves of everything but government securities upon taking office...

It's only $15,000 at most. Which while that's a new car for many and a not so insignificant sum to most, he's gotta be a millionaire, so it's not like he's fully invested in this thing.

This is a non-story.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

While it looks bad and is a perfect example of why Congressmen should have to put investments in a blind trust or outright divest themselves of everything but government securities upon taking office...

It's only $15,000 at most. Which while that's a new car for many and a not so insignificant sum to most, he's gotta be a millionaire, so it's not like he's fully invested in this thing.

This is a non-story.

I'm sure it would be a non-story if it was Reid or Pelosi, too. The Echo Chamber would be silent on either of them "betting against America."
 
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