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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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Heck no. We have to increase the defense budget again.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4368828.../house-boosts-military-budget-time-austerity/

Shared sacrifice for everyone. Except the rich and defense contractors. And yes, I see that it passed with bi-partisan support, which basically means now that Social Security is no longer the 3rd rail of American politics. A bloated military that spends half the world's money is.

Hey, but on the bright side we've slashed the hell out of the transportation budget, which is great because our infrastructure is top notch and never needs to be repaired.
 
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This is reported to be the Senate Democrats' version of the budget. It features 1:1 cuts and taxes and trims Defense spending by $900B.

Senate Democrats have drafted a sweeping debt-reduction plan that would slice $4 trillion from projected borrowing over the next decade without touching the expensive health and retirement programs targeted by President Obama.

Instead, Senate Democrats are proposing to stabilize borrowing through sharp cuts at the Pentagon and other government agencies, as well as $2 trillion in new taxes, primarily on families earning more than $1 million year, according to a copy of the plan obtained by The Washington Post.

With debt-reduction talks under way between Obama and congressional leaders, Senate Democrats are unlikely to adopt the blueprint. However, it has gained broad support among those eager to chart a path to solving the nation’s budget problems without making politically painful cuts to Social Security and Medicare.

“The very strong feeling was we needed to get this into the conversation, because it provides an alternative view,” said a Senate Democrat familiar with the blueprint, who spoke on condition of anonymity because it has not been publicly released. “What’s striking is how modest the changes need to be to get us back on track.”

I really dislike the term "new taxes." They aren't new...there were TEMPORARY tax cuts which were set to expire last year. This simply lets them expire.
 
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Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.
 
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Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.

Considering the GOP (and that liberal media) refer to allowing tax cuts to expire AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO is called a "tax hike" maybe we should wait until we actually see the proposal before we jump to conclusions.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.
No we're angry with *******es like you who support the republicans who have taken a "the only thing taxes can do is go down" stance from the beginning and then when the democrats finally stand up to that kind of failed fiscal policy you are quick to jump up and say look how extreme they are.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.

The word compromise has failed to penetrate the membranes of the majority of Congress, sir.
 
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I believe compromise has been redefined in the last decade to mean the folks not in power are to roll over and play dead rather than recall that no one has 100% backing from the populace.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.

Are you this big a tool in real life, or do you just play one on TV?
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Its now being reported that the white house are calling for major and unambiguous tax hikes...

http://twitter.com/#!/JimPethokoukis/statuses/89791168782675969

this is known as staking out an extreme position in order to reset the middle. And then you wonder how we've arrived to today. This is what Democrats do. Now, i'll watch you guys be angry at Republicans for even attempting to play the same game as the dems... of course its the dems game. Protect their fiefdom at all costs and pretend that all is well so long as the bad people pony up their fair share. Is as it always is... play the game of perceptions because perceptions decide politics... not facts.
Newt did it all the time. Get a debate on the issues and get something close to what the actual goal is.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Considering the GOP (and that liberal media) refer to allowing tax cuts to expire AS THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO is called a "tax hike" maybe we should wait until we actually see the proposal before we jump to conclusions.

He said "it's now being reported" and then regurgitated a Republican talking point. Rarely does the right wing media work quite so elegantly. Bravo, sir.
 
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Listening to Fox News Sunday. We're going to default. Bank on it.

We're not going to "default." Think about who calls the tune for the GOP. Members are going to get phone calls this week that say, "that's a cute dance with the rubes and all, but now we need business as usual." Then there will be all sorts of back-peddling and outright lying by Boehner and Repubs in the House, but the debt ceiling will be raised. Mass unemployment is OK -- it depresses wages and stokes racial and ethnic tensions, both of which can be converted into rural white turnout. Rich people losing portfolio value because of some dumb stunt -- now that would be a national tragedy.
 
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Mass unemployment is OK -- it depresses wages and stokes racial and ethnic tensions, both of which can be converted into rural white turnout. Rich people losing portfolio value because of some dumb stunt -- now that would be a national tragedy.

Are you padding on a little extra cynicism here, or is this accurate in your view?
 
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We're not going to "default." Think about who calls the tune for the GOP. Members are going to get phone calls this week that say, "that's a cute dance with the rubes and all, but now we need business as usual." Then there will be all sorts of back-peddling and outright lying by Boehner and Repubs in the House, but the debt ceiling will be raised. Mass unemployment is OK -- it depresses wages and stokes racial and ethnic tensions, both of which can be converted into rural white turnout. Rich people losing portfolio value because of some dumb stunt -- now that would be a national tragedy.

There are too many people running for President, in the House, and in the Senate who believe the US will not default even if the debt ceiling isn't raised. They don't have the votes in either direction to get anything passed. They can't pass a bipartisan bill because there are too many partisans whose entire career depends on this particular vote.
 
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There are too many people running for President, in the House, and in the Senate who believe the US will not default even if the debt ceiling isn't raised. They don't have the votes in either direction to get anything passed. They can't pass a bipartisan bill because there are too many partisans whose entire career depends on this particular vote.

The ideology that's holding the country hostage here wasn't created overnight -- it was fostered by deliberate political maneuvering over decades by the GOP to push their other agendas. Their problem is the rest of their support has eroded, leaving only the radicals. When 30% of their constituency was idiots, the GOP owned the idiots. Now that 70% of their constituency is idiots, the idiots own the GOP.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

The ideology that's holding the country hostage here wasn't created overnight -- it was fostered by deliberate political maneuvering over decades by the GOP to push their other agendas. Their problem is the rest of their support has eroded, leaving only the radicals. When 30% of their constituency was idiots, the GOP owned the idiots. Now that 70% of their constituency is idiots, the idiots own the GOP.

While that may be true, those idiots were swept into office in 2010 and they're not going to budge. They would rather default than go against Grover Nordquist.
 
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While that may be true, those idiots were swept into office in 2010 and they're not going to budge. They would rather default than go against Grover Nordquist.

But those idiots aren't an overall majority. And moderate Republicans should ask themselves why they should go to the wall and risk a depression just so they can get primaried in 2012 because they didn't vote for a Constitutional Amendment to make Evangelical Christianity the national religion.

For years, moderate Dems abandoned the Left and compromised with moderate Republicans and drove Kos nuts. Now it comes down to whether moderate Republicans will do the same, or whether they're so terrified of Cletus that they would rather cut their own throats than hand Obama a minor victory.

We'll see whether the GOP is still a political party or whether it's finally become the cult that's been threatening on the right for the last 20 years. Because the Eschaton never actually arrives, my guess is there's a boring compromise, half the Tea Party goes along with it and becomes co-opted, and the rest of the Tea Party becomes the equivalent of LaRouchites, baying at the moon about paranoid fantasies involving the Federal Reserve and the Queen of England.
 
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But those idiots aren't an overall majority. And moderate Republicans should ask themselves why they should go to the wall and risk a depression just so they can get primaried in 2012 because they didn't vote for a Constitutional Amendment to make Evangelical Christianity the national religion.

For years, moderate Dems abandoned the Left and compromised with moderate Republicans and drove Kos nuts. Now it comes down to whether moderate Republicans will do the same, or whether they're so terrified of Cletus that they would rather cut their own throats than hand Obama a minor victory.

You have way more faith than I do. Boehner and Obama had the deal done and Cantor stepped in and nuked it. There is no way in hell moderate Republicans are going to vote against Cantor and McConnell.
 
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