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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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Look what he has had to work with? He had both houses of Congress and couldnt get anything passed. (sorry but passing Dole's Health Care Plan doesnt count) The guy gives a good speech but he is a lousy leader. Just another typical spineless Democrat, too afraid to try anything because he might hurt someone's feelings. He is so spineless his party of jellyfish abandoned him on many issues.

I wouldnt vote for the guy again if you paid me. (and remember I was a big supporter in the last election) He is nothing like Clinton, in fact I find that insulting to Big Willy Style. He was and is a fraud, the Obama of the Election was the man I wanted leading this country, President Obama doesnt seem to have the intestinal fortitude and common sense to run a 7-11 let alone America. He will get elected though, because no one wants Romney or Perry.
 
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Bakunin said:
He pushed cap and trade. His own party wouldn't pass it, but he *did* push it. :p
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Another policy that was originally a Republican idea.

the conservative Republican-inspired "cap-and-trade" system for acid-rain-causing sulfur dioxide was put into place by Republican President George HW Bush
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http://bluevirginia.us/diary/1033/remember-capandtrade-was-originally-a-freemarket-conservative-idea

What you won’t hear in one of Brown’s campaign speeches is that cap and trade is actually an idea first championed by a Republican president.
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http://www.wbur.org/2010/01/18/cap-and-trade

but the idea of capping emmissions and trading emission permits was originally a GOP idea introduced to deal with acid rain.
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http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2010/12/remember-when-cap-and-trade-was-gop-idea

Try again.
 
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Bush the elder wasn't conservative in the present sense of the word - he caved and compromised with Dems on a budget deal that raised taxes (thus violating his campaign pledge). It cost him re-election in '92.

Try again. :p
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Another policy that was originally a Republican idea.
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Not to mention they are being absolute idiots by running away from it.

cap and trade for sulfer dioxide WORKED. It was a quasi-market based solution to a known problem and succeeded beyond all expectations. Why they now disavow that is simply staggering when they should be trumpeting it as a prime example of the markets working.
 
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The current GOP wants nothing to do with it because that would admit climate change is a problem which would run contrary to many of their talking points claiming it's a scam perpetrated by the scientific community to facilitate greater government intervention in our lives.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Bakunin said:
Bush the elder wasn't conservative in the present sense of the word - he caved and compromised with Dems on a budget deal that raised taxes (thus violating his campaign pledge). It cost him re-election in '92.

Try again. :p
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Under the current definition God (otherwise known as Reagan) was a flaming code pink liberal.
 
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Bakunin said:
The current GOP wants nothing to do with it because that would admit climate change is a problem which would run contrary to many of their talking points claiming it's a scam perpetrated by the scientific community to facilitate greater government intervention in our lives.
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Regardless of your stance on global warming, you'd think one could be for the reduction of industrial emissions simply out of the common sense view that all such emissions are, by definition, waste.
 
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unofan said:
Regardless of your stance on global warming, you'd think one could be for the reduction of industrial emissions simply out of the common sense view that all such emissions are, by definition, waste.
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Not at all - anything that adds costs for the job creators is verboten. :p
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

Bakunin said:
The current GOP wants nothing to do with it because that would admit climate change is a problem which would run contrary to many of their talking points claiming it's a scam perpetrated by the scientific community to facilitate greater government intervention in our lives.
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Which they want to keep for themselves rather than cede to evil scientists.
 
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unofan said:
Not to mention they are being absolute idiots by running away from it.

cap and trade for sulfer dioxide WORKED. It was a quasi-market based solution to a known problem and succeeded beyond all expectations. Why they now disavow that is simply staggering when they should be trumpeting it as a prime example of the markets working.
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The economic impact of cap and trade for sulfur dioxide was a miniscule fraction of the impact cap and trade for carbon would have. Bad comparison. Not to mention the different "polluting" characteristics of the two. Using this logic, we should do cap and trades for everything.
 
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unofan said:
Regardless of your stance on global warming, you'd think one could be for the reduction of industrial emissions simply out of the common sense view that all such emissions are, by definition, waste.
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Guess we should all stop breathing then, as we're wasting the carbon dioxide we breathe out. Emissions aren't necessarily waste. Waste entails the concept of something that could be useful for some purpose but is not captured for that purpose.
 
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