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The 112th Congress - A Congress divided shall not cry!

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Seeing tweets that they have indeed left the state. No truth to reports that people are building walls at the border to keep them from coming back.

Edit: This seems to indicate they've only left the city, not the state.
 
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Rich Snyder looks to be the next Gov. to get the Hitler treatment if the pattern holds.

The Republican governor's plan also calls for taxing income from public and private pensions. Michigan is one of only three U.S. states which exempts most or all pension income from state taxation, according to his office.
Snyder is also hoping to squeeze $180 million in savings from yet-to-be negotiated employee concessions.
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Edit: This seems to indicate they've only left the city, not the state.
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If they've gone that far they might as well leave the state. The State Patrol can't get them across state borders, and I really doubt Iowa or Illinois would extradite a state legislator over this.

WeWantMore said:
Rich Snyder looks to be the next Gov. to get the Hitler treatment if the pattern holds.
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Meh, that seems perfectly reasonable to me. I know Michiganders will fight it, but that's a far cry from completely eliminating unions.
 
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Yep.

Cullen said he believed at least most of the Democrats were now outside Wisconsin, though he declined to say where.

"I think they're all out of state. I am anyway," Cullen said.

Speculation in the Capitol pointed to Illinois as the state where Democrats had headed.
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Seems to me the state might be in need of 14 new Senators.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
One busts the union, the other one does not. How are they the same?
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It does not eliminate unions. It eliminates some collective bargaining rights. That's a pretty big difference.

They'll no longer have the right to bargain for things like vacation days- the same situation many private sectors workers are in right now. That's hardly an elimination of unions.
 
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WeWantMore said:
It does not eliminate unions. It eliminates some collective bargaining rights. That's a pretty big difference.

They'll no longer have the right to bargain for things like vacation days- the same situation many private sectors workers are in right now. That's hardly an elimination of unions.
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The bill curtails virtually all collective bargaining rights for everything but compensation, and even that would be limited to inflationary-indexed COLA's unless further increases are approved by the voters.

So they'd have no power to collectively bargain over anything meaningful, making the union pointless. In essence, busting the union.

Trying to claim it wouldn't is a nice try; about on the same level as saying this is a budgetary issue rather than a political one.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
What the **** else is a union for? That's the whole ****ing point.
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demanding rights. When the rights the union is demanding are unreasonable, the overruling party can say no.

That's what is happening in Wisconsin now. Every teacher that didn't show up to work should be fired and then jailed.
 
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Sloe Gin said:
demanding rights. When the rights the union is demanding are unreasonable, the overruling party can say no.

That's what is happening in Wisconsin now. Every teacher that didn't show up to work should be fired and then jailed.
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So, we're Iran now? Fired and Jailed? You've got to be kidding me. They're already vastly underpaid and everyone with half a brain knows that.
 
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demanding rights. When the rights the union is demanding are unreasonable, the overruling party can say no.

That's what is happening in Wisconsin now. Every teacher that didn't show up to work should be fired and then jailed.
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Every person slacking off and posting on here instead of working should be fired and then jailed. Oh wait...

Just curious, but given the short time frame (proposed by governor on Monday, vote scheduled for today so it could be signed Friday) - when else were the teachers supposed to protest? On Saturday after it'd already been signed?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, we're Iran now? Fired and Jailed? You've got to be kidding me. They're already vastly underpaid and everyone with half a brain knows that.
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they are NOT vastly underpaid. They work 6 months out of the year (and don't tell me differently, because you know for a fact that's true). They get every single holiday off, every single important day on the calendar off, and let's not even get into the benefits that every teacher gets. Tenure after a certain amount of time? What the *k is that? Then, when the governor has the balls to tell them they need to sacrifice like EVERY OTHER AMERICAN the Union gets its thong turned all around and demands unreasonable *t. Oh, you didn't get a raise last year? Boo *king hoo. I didn't get a raise this year, and I'm guessing most Americans didn't either. In fact, most in the private sector have taken paycuts that have not been restored in years.

Give me a *king break. Overworked. Easiest profession in the world.
 
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Easiest profession in the world.
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Then why are you on here *****ing instead of doing it yourself? Seems like most people would love easy jobs for great pay and benefits.
 
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unofan said:
Then why are you on here *****ing instead of doing it yourself? Seems like most people would love easy jobs for great pay and benefits.
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because I hate kids. I'm not saying I could do it, but these morons signed up to do a *king job. Just like I did with mine. I don't like my company, but I do my job. Why? Because it's called work ethic. It's called responsibility. It's called not being a fat *k redneck Wisconite who thinks they are owed everything in the world.
 
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because I hate kids. I'm not saying I could do it, but these morons signed up to do a *king job. Just like I did with mine. I don't like my company, but I do my job. Why? Because it's called work ethic. It's called responsibility. It's called not being a fat *k redneck Wisconite who thinks they are owed everything in the world.
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They signed on to do a job under the impression they had collective bargaining rights. I'd be farking ****ed, too, if some nutjob threatened to take that away without even attempting a good faith negotiation beforehand.

Once again, given that this wasn't proposed until Monday, what else were the teachers and other public sector employees supposed to do?
 
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unofan said:
They signed on to do a job under the impression they had collective bargaining rights. I'd be farking ****ed, too, if some nutjob threatened to take that away without even attempting a good faith negotiation beforehand.

Once again, given that this wasn't proposed until Monday, what else were the teachers and other public sector employees supposed to do?
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they were supposed to do their jobs. First and foremost, do your job.

having collective bargaining rights does not give you the right to walk out on your job. If all airline pilots called off sick, we'd not only be fired, but most likely jailed for breaking the law
 
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Sloe Gin said:
If all airline pilots called off sick, we'd not only be fired, but most likely jailed for breaking the law
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So...the Spirit Airlines pilots that went on strike last month went to jail?
 
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