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Sweet Release: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread Part I

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crazytechfan said:
They always come untied :(
But yes, I know how to nap, color, write my name, talk, and tie my shoes.
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I didn't learn how to nap until I got to college. My coloring could use some work, I can write my name but I don't expect anyone else to seriously be able to read it, I still don't talk all that well, and I use to know how to tie my shoes, but I haven't done it in so long I'm not all that sure I still remember how.

Just checked. I can still tie my shoes.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Having an alum or two behind the bench is good... but often there are better candidates [from] other programs. Unless there is a perfect candidate who played for Tech, I really hope he considers all of his options when replacing Tok.
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bigblue_dl said:
...how well can a coach, who is an alumni of a rival school... really sell the program? ...it just seems like an alum is going to be able to be much more passionate about selling the program.
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Both of you make good points, but here is my reason to think you need another Tech alum. Sitting at the bottom of the WCHA, from a small market, tough school to enter, etc, etc, Tech has the deck stacked against it. I honestly don't think coaching ability is the main issue that needs to be fixed. You need coaches/recruiters who can talk to kids who have talent and dream of attending The U, UND, CC, Denver, etc and convince them that they will be better off as a first or second liner at Tech rather than being a 4th liner at one of these other schools.

You need recruiters who can talk first hand about the great times that had at Tech, its traditions and what they have to look forward to while wearing the Huskies' colors. Even if Tok was the greatest coach in the world, what could he tell a kid about how it is to play for the Huskies? Recruiting is all about selling the program. If you can't get talent in the building, it doesn't matter if MacInnes himself was behind the bench. As another example, could I more easily convice someone to attend North Dakota or MTU as a student when I never was a student at UND?

When Russell was at Cornell, they had one of the top D-teams in the league. So clearly, he has a system that works, IF he has some talent. It all starts from your own blue line out. You're not going to win many games in the WCHA if you can't score three or four goals a game. On average in WCHA games, Tech scored 2.1 goals per game, but gave up 4.2 goals per game. So that's like starting every game losing 0-2 at the opening face-off. Tough to over come that goal differential. The top-6 teams in the league all average over 3.0 goals scored per game. If you can't score (and you need talent to do so) you're not going to win many games as was shown by this season.

Ryan J
 
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JohnsonsJerseys said:
Both of you make good points, but here is my reason to think you need another Tech alum. Sitting at the bottom of the WCHA, from a small market, tough school to enter, etc, etc, Tech has the deck stacked against it. I honestly don't think coaching ability is the main issue that needs to be fixed. You need coaches/recruiters who can talk to kids who have talent and dream of attending The U, UND, CC, Denver, etc and convince them that they will be better off as a first or second liner at Tech rather than being a 4th liner at one of these other schools.

You need recruiters who can talk first hand about the great times that had at Tech, its traditions and what they have to look forward to while wearing the Huskies' colors. Even if Tok was the greatest coach in the world, what could he tell a kid about how it is to play for the Huskies? Recruiting is all about selling the program. If you can't get talent in the building, it doesn't matter if MacInnes himself was behind the bench. As another example, could I more easily convice someone to attend North Dakota or MTU as a student when I never was a student at UND?

When Russell was at Cornell, they had one of the top D-teams in the league. So clearly, he has a system that works, IF he has some talent. It all starts from your own blue line out. You're not going to win many games in the WCHA if you can't score three or four goals a game. On average in WCHA games, Tech scored 2.1 goals per game, but gave up 4.2 goals per game. So that's like starting every game losing 0-2 at the opening face-off. Tough to over come that goal differential. The top-6 teams in the league all average over 3.0 goals scored per game. If you can't score (and you need talent to do so) you're not going to win many games as was shown by this season.

Ryan J
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I know its a sore spot for people because he never did attend MTU or play a minute but Ian Kallay (a UND grad) convince CPZ to come to tech and I'm positive he had offers from "better" programs.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I know its a sore spot for people because he never did attend MTU or play a minute but Ian Kallay (a UND grad) convince CPZ to come to tech and I'm positive he had offers from "better" programs.
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We've already established that CPZ isn't the sharpest spoon in the drawer. Kallay probably just showed him something shiny and he was sold. ;)
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I know its a sore spot for people because he never did attend MTU or play a minute but Ian Kallay (a UND grad) convince CPZ to come to tech and I'm positive he had offers from "better" programs.
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A sore spot for people who don't know which end is up. Look at most successful coaches and you will find a very small percentage are actually coaching at their alma mater. ( John M., Newell B, Bob M - non alums and most successful at MTU is an example)

A coach isn't selling the arena, women or location or the fact that it's his alma mater; he's selling himself and the team. You play for me and "my team", we're going to win. All the other components are secondary; if a kid figures he can be successful at multiple locations, the secondary features may sway his decision. First and foremost, he has to convinced he will be successful at the school he chooses and that's up to the coaching staff to convince him. And the fact that a school is a coaches alma mater has no effect on how successful a recruit will be.

Brent Peterson hit this on the head when talking about Newell Brown. He said just talking to the guy, he had the air of confidence and optimism (not arrogance) that the program was on it's way up under his leadership. After talking to him, he wanted to be a part of it. Maybe Callay had this same quality and it didn't make a bit of difference where he went to school; or it may have actually helped that he was from UND because the kid knows he came from a winning program and knows what it takes to be successful.

The nonsense about Tok not "buying in" because he's not from MTU is complete nonsense. What type of idiot wouln't buy in to a program that he's a part of and who's personal reputation is at stake based on the success they have. Use some common sense people. If he didn't think he could be successful at MTU he would've never came in the first place. If he left on his own, he may have some doubts in either himself or the rest of the coaching staff that they have a coaching team capable of being succesful at MTU.
 
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JOHN SCOTT ROCKS said:
A sore spot for people who don't know which end is up. Look at most successful coaches and you will find a very small percentage are actually coaching at their alma mater. ( John M., Newell B, Bob M - non alums and most successful at MTU is an example)

A coach isn't selling the arena, women or location or the fact that it's his alma mater; he's selling himself and the team. You play for me and "my team", we're going to win. All the other components are secondary; if a kid figures he can be successful at multiple locations, the secondary features may sway his decision. First and foremost, he has to convinced he will be successful at the school he chooses and that's up to the coaching staff to convince him. And the fact that a school is a coaches alma mater has no effect on how successful a recruit will be.

Brent Peterson hit this on the head when talking about Newell Brown. He said just talking to the guy, he had the air of confidence and optimism (not arrogance) that the program was on it's way up under his leadership. After talking to him, he wanted to be a part of it. Maybe Callay had this same quality and it didn't make a bit of difference where he went to school; or it may have actually helped that he was from UND because the kid knows he came from a winning program and knows what it takes to be successful.

The nonsense about Tok not "buying in" because he's not from MTU is complete nonsense. What type of idiot wouln't buy in to a program that he's a part of and who's personal reputation is at stake based on the success they have. Use some common sense people. If he didn't think he could be successful at MTU he would've never came in the first place. If he left on his own, he may have some doubts in either himself or the rest of the coaching staff that they have a coaching team capable of being succesful at MTU.
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I was with you until that bold part...he left because like every other coach, he wants to be in charge and he is taking this opportunity.

As for the sore spot, I was talking about it being a sore spot that CPZ never played for Tech. I think losing Ian Kallay was tough on this program, he was a hell of salesmen for the program and a great eye for talent. Him leaving to go work in the oil industry still saddens me :(
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I was with you until that bold part...he left because like every other coach, he wants to be in charge and he is taking this opportunity.
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Agreed. To say otherwise is pure speculation, particularly when Tok is young, clearly ambitious, and has no personal ties to MTU.
 
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well as I said I think we'd be better off hiring two people. One to recruit western canada and capitalize on the foundation laid by Tok and the other Ontario. I think the remaining staff can handle the local kids.
Canada is better for us for a couple of reason. We've had success there before and also, kids there are not set on U of M or und yet. they have a more open mind and they play a lot of hockey.
i've also noticed that Florida is starting to produce some players. transplants I guess.
 
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manurespreader said:
well as I said I think we'd be better off hiring two people. One to recruit western canada and capitalize on the foundation laid by Tok and the other Ontario. I think the remaining staff can handle the local kids.
Canada is better for us for a couple of reason. We've had success there before and also, kids there are not set on U of M or und yet. they have a more open mind and they play a lot of hockey.
i've also noticed that Florida is starting to produce some players. transplants I guess.
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Who's going to recruit in Texas and California.

Again, I have no problem volunteering.
 
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John Scott is still awesome:
John Scott got 2-5-10 for instigating Dean Arsene into a fight after Arsene took a leaping head shot at James Sheppard's face well after he dumped the puck. We'll see if the league looks at it.

The 6-9 Scott pummeled Arsene.

Here's a funny quote from my man Jim Matheson from the Edmonton Journal: “I could have hit him with a baseball bat and I don't think he would have flinched,” said Arsene. “I tried to get him with a couple of quick lefts, figuring he wouldn't know I was a lefty, but I hit him with one and he just stood there. Nothing happened. Somebody on our bench asked me, 'Did he hit you on the nose when you went down?' I told him, 'if he hit me on the nose, the nose would have been on the ice.'"
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http://www.startribune.com/blogs/89...EyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUgOy9cP3DieyckcUsI
 
Re: Sweet Release: Michigan Tech Offseason Thread Part I

manurespreader said:
well as I said I think we'd be better off hiring two people. One to recruit western canada and capitalize on the foundation laid by Tok and the other Ontario. I think the remaining staff can handle the local kids.
Canada is better for us for a couple of reason. We've had success there before and also, kids there are not set on U of M or und yet. they have a more open mind and they play a lot of hockey.
i've also noticed that Florida is starting to produce some players. transplants I guess.
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I'm pretty sure rules dictate that you can only have so many coaches. I'm pretty sure you are only allowed 2 paid assistants and one additional volunteer assistant which is why Randy McKay was reassigned to "liaison" after the goalie coach came on board as an assistant.
 
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