State of D-II Hockey

[NUProf]

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Ok, ok. That's what I meant. This article is saying Minot State would have to up to Division I for all sports if they wanted to compete for the DI Championship. Apparently petitioning to move up for one sport as you were apparently allowed to in the past is no longer a thing. Or is the source in this article just mistaken?

The article is wrong (in a sense). Since there is no DII national championship in hockey, a DII school can petition to play for the DI title. They are subject to the restrictions of DII in regard to scholarships, etc., but they can compete at the DI level as a DII school. Some of the other schools were allowed full DI status - which allows them more scholarships than a DII school, but a team that chooses to compete at the DI level is for all practical purposes a DI school. It is a distinction with little difference.

 

[joecct]

The article is wrong (in a sense). Since there is no DII national championship in hockey, a DII school can petition to play for the DI title. They are subject to the restrictions of DII in regard to scholarships, etc., but they can compete at the DI level as a DII school. Some of the other schools were allowed full DI status - which allows them more scholarships than a DII school, but a team that chooses to compete at the DI level is for all practical purposes a DI school. It is a distinction with little difference.

Except you can keep the rest of the athletic program at D-II, which saves $$$$$

 

[gfmorris]

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The article is wrong (in a sense). Since there is no DII national championship in hockey, a DII school can petition to play for the DI title. They are subject to the restrictions of DII in regard to scholarships, etc., but they can compete at the DI level as a DII school. Some of the other schools were allowed full DI status - which allows them more scholarships than a DII school, but a team that chooses to compete at the DI level is for all practical purposes a DI school. It is a distinction with little difference.

It is mu understanding that there's a moratorium NCAA-wideon playing up in any sport.

GFM

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

It is mu understanding that there's a moratorium NCAA-wideon playing up in any sport.

GFM

And it was my understanding that said temporary moratoratorium ended, and was replaced by new bylaws outright banning play-ups... with the exception of teams whose division does not sponsor that sport, such as DII Hockey.

 

[joecct]

It is mu understanding that there's a moratorium NCAA-wideon playing up in any sport.

GFM

Yep. 2010-100. But if a currently classified D-II school wanted to start a hockey team, they'd be SOL on post season. However, the NCAA provides an out that allows a D-II Men's hockey team to petition to play in the D-I tournament.

The WCHA (sans BG) is grandfathered. They can offer 18 schollys and play 34/6/8 regular season games. A school described above has to follow D-II rules on games (30) and scholarships (currently 5??? but should be made the same as women who have 18).

 

[NUProf]

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It is mu understanding that there's a moratorium NCAA-wideon playing up in any sport.

GFM

It isn't a "play up" if a team with no national championship to play for elects to play for the Division I title. They aren't reclassified, they follow DII rules and still are a DII program. If there were enough DII programs to run a DII championship, those teams that "elected" to play for the DI title would have to go down to DII to compete for that title.

 

[Buckeye22]

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Yep. 2010-100. But if a currently classified D-II school wanted to start a hockey team, they'd be SOL on post season. However, the NCAA provides an out that allows a D-II Men's hockey team to petition to play in the D-I tournament.

The WCHA (sans BG) is grandfathered. They can offer 18 schollys and play 34/6/8 regular season games. A school described above has to follow D-II rules on games (30) and scholarships (currently 5??? but should be made the same as women who have 18).

It isn't a "play up" if a team with no national championship to play for elects to play for the Division I title. They aren't reclassified, they follow DII rules and still are a DII program. If there were enough DII programs to run a DII championship, those teams that "elected" to play for the DI title would have to go down to DII to compete for that title.

Of the DII schools currently playing DI hockey, would any be forced to move to move down if the DII Championship ever returned? If the WCHA schools are grandfathered in, I'd imagine Merrimack, UMD, St. Cloud State etc. would be as well. All the current DII schools playing DI hockey have been at it since before 2010.

 

[NUProf]

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Of the DII schools currently playing DI hockey, would any be forced to move to move down if the DII Championship ever returned? If the WCHA schools are grandfathered in, I'd imagine Merrimack, UMD, St. Cloud State etc. would be as well. All the current DII schools playing DI hockey have been at it since before 2010.

If the schools were grandfathered in as DI programs they would still be considered DI programs in the same way that St. Lawrence, Union, and Clarkson were grandfathered in as full DI programs. However, there are some "real DI" programs (especially the Big "10") that resent the non-DI schools. They could always present legislation that would change their status.

 

[Buckeye22]

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http://www.uscho.com/2016/10/14/protests-at-st-anselm-over-schools-contract-not-being-renewed-with-nehc/

So it looks like the rumors are true and St. A's is getting the boot from the NEHC. I'm really curious as to how the hockey players reacted to all the stink the other athletes were making last year about the potential move to DIII. The school's decision to stay at DII may have made the majority happy, but it kinda left the hockey teams out to dry. This is probably worse for the women's team than for the men. At least the men still have a conference to call home and a conference title to play for. Maybe if Post joins the NE-10 as an affiliate as they've previously stated they want to, the women can form a 4 team conference. If Holy Cross keeps playing DIII women's hockey (which I've never really understood), maybe the five of them can form an at-large conference so at least they can fill their schedules each year.

 

[joecct]

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D-II's have a solution. It is in the by-laws. If they don't want to embrace it, that's their fault/business.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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http://www.uscho.com/2016/10/14/protests-at-st-anselm-over-schools-contract-not-being-renewed-with-nehc/

So it looks like the rumors are true and St. A's is getting the boot from the NEHC. I'm really curious as to how the hockey players reacted to all the stink the other athletes were making last year about the potential move to DIII. The school's decision to stay at DII may have made the majority happy, but it kinda left the hockey teams out to dry. This is probably worse for the women's team than for the men. At least the men still have a conference to call home and a conference title to play for. Maybe if Post joins the NE-10 as an affiliate as they've previously stated they want to, the women can form a 4 team conference. If Holy Cross keeps playing DIII women's hockey (which I've never really understood), maybe the five of them can form an at-large conference so at least they can fill their schedules each year.

It wasn't rumors. They never made an official announcement, but St. A and St. M were aware this was coming. It's part of why St. Anselm tried to make the switch to DIII before getting so much backlash from the community and alumni. I enjoy the irony that there are protests about their hockey team being threatened, but how many of those were among those protesting the drop to DIII? Apparently the St. Anselm community thinks they can have their cake and eat it too.

 

[Buckeye22]

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Some big news from the Northeast-10. As expected St. A's and St. Mike's will now play a full conference schedule, and with the addition of Post as a scheduling partner that will bring the conference slate to 18 games per team. Obviously St. A's and St. Mike's would probably rather still be in the NEHC, but at least this will give a little extra meaning to the Northeast-10 tournament at the end of the year. Also, apparently the NCAA has changed some legislation to benefit the DII schools' recruiting process, which I would imagine will make a big difference for them. I wasn't aware they had different recruiting rules than both DI and DIII. I always figured they were just at a recruiting disadvantage on account of them not having a national championship to play for. Still no word on what's going to happen on the women's side.

 

[joecct]

Some big news from the Northeast-10. As expected St. A's and St. Mike's will now play a full conference schedule, and with the addition of Post as a scheduling partner that will bring the conference slate to 18 games per team. Obviously St. A's and St. Mike's would probably rather still be in the NEHC, but at least this will give a little extra meaning to the Northeast-10 tournament at the end of the year. Also, apparently the NCAA has changed some legislation to benefit the DII schools' recruiting process, which I would imagine will make a big difference for them. I wasn't aware they had different recruiting rules than both DI and DIII. I always figured they were just at a recruiting disadvantage on account of them not having a national championship to play for. Still no word on what's going to happen on the women's side.

That will give them 12 OOC games. But still (I believe) only 5 scholarships. The women are allowed 18.

 

[Buckeye22]

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St. A's has actually already released next year's schedule. Looks like they're sticking to 6 or 7 OOC games.

 

[Julius]

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St. A's has actually already released next year's schedule. Looks like they're sticking to 6 or 7 OOC games.

Do you have a link on that?

 

[Birdwatcher]

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Do you have a link on that?

Here you go...... http://www.saintanselmhawks.com/sports/mice/2016-17/files/2017-18_Men-s_Hockey_Schedule.pdf

 

[Buckeye22]

Do you have a link on that?

Sorry. Meant to put the link in there.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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Every year it just makes less sense to me why the NE 10 doesn’t just play up. I’d be curious to know what stops them, if it’s the relationships with D-III schools that helps fill the barns or what.

One would think that the AHA offers local non-cons and the potential of “payday” non-con matchups would help offset any possible losses.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Every year it just makes less sense to me why the NE 10 doesn’t just play up. I’d be curious to know what stops them, if it’s the relationships with D-III schools that helps fill the barns or what.

One would think that the AHA offers local non-cons and the potential of “payday” non-con matchups would help offset any possible losses.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Fishman'81]

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Every year it just makes less sense to me why the NE 10 doesn’t just play up. I’d be curious to know what stops them, if it’s the relationships with D-III schools that helps fill the barns or what.

One would think that the AHA offers local non-cons and the potential of “payday” non-con matchups would help offset any possible losses.

Looking at the attendance numbers for 2017, I'd have to wonder if any AHA team turns a profit, or spreads any money around. Your use of the word "offset" is probably an accurate take.