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Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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So on Rotten Tomatoes, only 50% of moviegoers liked it.

Is that typical early on and then the numbers climb?

Coz Rogue One is in the high 80s and TFA is in the 90s.


I'm not one to place a ton of (or any) stock in the public opinion, but it seems that the audience is polarized.

I liked TFA quite a bit more and as I've stated R-1 is up there as one of the best SW movies.

TLJ is somewhere in the middle.

Good, but not great.

A middle movie that suffers as many middle movies do.


Has Handy weighed in?
 
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Time line: Everything in the Star Wars universe is measured by years before or after the Battle of Yavin (Star Wars Episode 4). RotJ is 4 years ABY, Ben Solo was born 5 years ABY and the events of TFA and TLJ are 34 ABY. Rey was born 15 years ABY. So Ben is 29 and Rey is 19. There is a 30 year gap between RotJ and TFA/TLJ.

Rotten Tomatoes: While they deny they were attacked by bots, it is obvious some sort of foul play was involved in that audience ranking. The movie had 20000 votes before it even was released. The IMDB score has remained stable and is considerably higher than RT. The cinemascore (which again is the only reputable source for audience data) was an A. Many votes on RT are for that single movie and are accompanied by reviews decrying the abundance of minorities and women in lead roles, and saying that Kathleen Kennedy and her SJW's are ruining Star Wars.

Criticism of TLJ vs TFA and other movies: I find that the more I hear/read complaints about TLJ the more I appreciate the film. Especially the Leia in Space scene which I originally felt was a weak part of the film and now accept as Leia finally using her Force abilities on screen. This isn't completely out of the blue: We saw her at the end of Empire (although we attributed that entirely to Luke) and we have seen her use them in the two Leia-centric Canon novels, Bloodline and Princess of Alderaan. We also know from A Certain Point of View that it was Leia that Yoda wanted to train, not Luke. Had she been the one sent to Dagobah she might have been even more powerful than Luke. I rank this movie far above TFA in my hierarchy of films, not because TFA was bad by any means, but because this was simply so much better. I also don't care if people agree or disagree about the quality of the movie. I certainly will try to help people understand some of the concepts in TLJ and why I enjoy it, but at the end of the day if you didn't enjoy it then you didn't enjoy it. It seems like an awful lot of people who didn't like this movie are invested, in not just saying that they didn't like it but, convincing me that I didn't like it or that I shouldn't like it. That just isn't going to happen.

For people that are into Star Wars lore or want to learn more, I highly recommend checking Alex Damon (Star Wars Explained) on YouTube and the ForceCenter podcast by Ken Napzok, Joseph Scrimshaw and Jennifer Landa.
 
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You know, I never thought I'd see the day when star wars fans became nerdier than trekkies, and yet here we are...
 
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Gurtholfin said:
So on Rotten Tomatoes, only 50% of moviegoers liked it.

Is that typical early on and then the numbers climb?

Coz Rogue One is in the high 80s and TFA is in the 90s.
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I'm not saying that The Last Jedi is a complicated movie by any means, but I think people liked Rogue One and The Force Awakens more because they were simpler movies. Rogue One answered questions some people had about how the Death Star plans were stolen. The Force Awakens setup new time characters which caused people to ask questions. The Last Jedi answers some questions, ignores a few others because they were just asked by fanboys with too much time on their hands, and creates new questions to be answered, too.
 
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ticapnews said:
Time line: Everything in the Star Wars universe is measured by years before or after the Battle of Yavin (Star Wars Episode 4). RotJ is 4 years ABY, Ben Solo was born 5 years ABY and the events of TFA and TLJ are 34 ABY. Rey was born 15 years ABY. So Ben is 29 and Rey is 19. There is a 30 year gap between RotJ and TFA/TLJ.
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This is great. Thank you. Is Yavin a big deal because of the destruction of the Death Star, and the climactic moment of the universe is Luke going off instruments and trusting the force?
 
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Kepler said:
This is great. Thank you. Is Yavin a big deal because of the destruction of the Death Star?
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It's mostly because it's the first movie, the story that started it all, and then because it's the first Death Star battle.
 
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St. Clown said:
I'm not saying that The Last Jedi is a complicated movie by any means, but I think people liked Rogue One and The Force Awakens more because they were simpler movies. Rogue One answered questions some people had about how the Death Star plans were stolen. The Force Awakens setup new time characters which caused people to ask questions. The Last Jedi answers some questions, ignores a few others because they were just asked by fanboys with too much time on their hands, and creates new questions to be answered, too.
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I think TFA is perhaps a little overrated because it was the first Star Wars movie since the awful prequels. I think the beginning of TFA was great, the Starkiller Base stuff was pretty weak. It set up some questions that people expected to be answered. Rogue One fleshed out the Star Wars universe a bit, and I think it was well done, but people didn't really have a lot of expectations coming in, we all knew that it was going to end with them stealing the Death Star plans. It was difficult to be let down.
 
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BassAle said:
I think TFA is perhaps a little overrated because it was the first Star Wars movie since the awful prequels. I think the beginning of TFA was great, the Starkiller Base stuff was pretty weak. It set up some questions that people expected to be answered. Rogue One fleshed out the Star Wars universe a bit, and I think it was well done, but people didn't really have a lot of expectations coming in, we all knew that it was going to end with them stealing the Death Star plans. It was difficult to be let down.
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I think this is right, but I am in no way a SW junkie. Funnily, I value Ep 4 more than the fanboys, who seem to have a consensus that Ep 5 is better. I think it's more technically fluent, but the Campbell Arc in Ep 4 makes SW more interesting than just a space opera, to me.
 
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unofan said:
You know, I never thought I'd see the day when star wars fans became nerdier than trekkies, and yet here we are...
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That's totally unfair.

I'm just as nerdy about Trek.

Kepler said:
This is great. Thank you. Is Yavin a big deal because of the destruction of the Death Star, and the climactic moment of the universe is Luke going off instruments and trusting the force?
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To fans, it's because it was the first film. In universe that date matters because of the destruction of the Death Star and the real beginning of the rebellion against the Empire. Before Yavin (and Scarif) the rebellion was unorganized and mostly a rumor. Blowing up the Death Star was a hell of a coming out party.
 
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ticapnews said:
To fans, it's because it was the first film. In universe that date matters because of the destruction of the Death Star and the real beginning of the rebellion against the Empire. Before Yavin (and Scarif) the rebellion was unorganized and mostly a rumor. Blowing up the Death Star was a hell of a coming out party.
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But the Empire only lasts for a very short time, right? Between the Fall of the Republic and Yavin is only a generation, right?

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But the Empire only lasts for a very short time, right? Between the Fall of the Republic and Yavin is only about 30 years, right?
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The Republic became the Empire 19 years BBY. So it really only lasted 25 years, but when you look back at the relative peace in the galaxy for over 1000 years it stands out.
 
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Kepler said:
But the Empire only lasts for a very short time, right? Between the Fall of the Republic and Yavin is only about 30 years, right?
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More like 23-25 years.

It's 19 years between Order 66 and the Battle of Yavin. Add another 3+ years for RotJ as it's supposed to be a matter of only two or three months between Episodes V and VI. Then add in about another year or two until it's just a mop-up job for the New Republic taking down that last known holdouts.

The founders of the First Order hid, so were unknown or thought destroyed in battle. And while they clearly model themselves after the Empire, they consider themselves something separate from the Empire.

ETA: Or more like what he said.
 
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And here comes Forbes with the "solo movie will, maybe, possibly, be a bust" article because there's been no advertising for it. Just how dumb are Forbes writers?

Kennedy would never allow marketing for Last Jedi to be diluted by marketing Solo simultaneously. Good grief.

In another week or two I'm sure they'll have a trailer out and with Lawrence Kasdan as the writer I'm sure it will be very good
 
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solovsfett said:
And here comes Forbes with the "solo movie will, maybe, possibly, be a bust" article because there's been no advertising for it. Just how dumb are Forbes writers?

Kennedy would never allow marketing for Last Jedi to be diluted by marketing Solo simultaneously. Good grief.

In another week or two I'm sure they'll have a trailer out and with Lawrence Kasdan as the writer I'm sure it will be very good
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I just love the reports that the film will not only be a bust but that the writer turned in an unworkable script. Um...the writer? Lawrence Kasdan? The guy who wrote three Star Wars movies, Raiders of the Lost Ark and has been nominated for an Academy Award three times for writing scripts...that Lawrence Kasdan? Walked into Kathleen Kennedy's office and handed in an unworkable script...and then Kennedy kept him on the set while the movie was being shot for, what? Gits and shiggles?

Will Solo be a blockbuster? Who knows. Other than a few photos from Opie's twitter feed we haven't seen one frame of film yet. But it's comical to speculate that the film will be a disaster.
 
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I can finally comment on here because I just saw The Last Jedi and didn't want any spoilers.

Did you know that Luke Skywalker's father is Darth Vader?
 
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CommAvHusky said:
I can finally comment on here because I just saw The Last Jedi and didn't want any spoilers.

Did you know that Luke Skywalker's father is Darth Vader?
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Really?! That's so odd! Related.....did you know that Jesus was a Jew?
 
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joecct said:
is a Jew.

And Minnesota women's last 2 NCAA losses have come to a D3 playup.
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Was. He died, you know. ;)

Sure he came back, but then he died again.

Annnnnnnd what does hockey have to do with this? :p
 
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