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Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

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Saw it yesterday. Overall I liked it, pretty good. I'l need to let it sink in to get a better feel for it.

Two minor things I didn't like:
- The whole scene in the casino city. Felt like an excuse to get wacky aliens and also try to shove in some Lucasque-unsubtle message.
- Leia as Mary Poppins. Yeah I get the want to show the power of The Force. Coulda shot it better though so it looked less hookey.

There's a lot I did like but the things you don't like always stand out more, so it's harder to describe what you did like. Except Porgs. Long live the Porgs. They deserve their own movie as far as I'm concerned.
 
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I saw the movie for a second time with friends during my week off from work, and both of my buddies didn't like it. My one friend's complaint was that we didn't learn anything about Snoke's history. I've known this kid since we were in pre-K school, and he's loved the Emperor since Day 1. I asked him what the difference was between the two - we didn't know anything about the Emperor except that he controlled Vader until 1999; nothing about Palpatine's background was known until The Farce Menace was released 1999.
 
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St. Clown said:
I saw the movie for a second time with friends during my week off from work, and both of my buddies didn't like it. My one friend's complaint was that we didn't learn anything about Snoke's history. I've known this kid since we were in pre-K school, and he's loved the Emperor since Day 1. I asked him what the difference was between the two - we didn't know anything about the Emperor except that he controlled Vader until 1999; nothing about Palpatine's background was known until The Farce Menace was released 1999.
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And the answer was?
 
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St. Clown said:
I saw the movie for a second time with friends during my week off from work, and both of my buddies didn't like it. My one friend's complaint was that we didn't learn anything about Snoke's history. I've known this kid since we were in pre-K school, and he's loved the Emperor since Day 1. I asked him what the difference was between the two - we didn't know anything about the Emperor except that he controlled Vader until 1999; nothing about Palpatine's background was known until The Farce Menace was released 1999.
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That's true, we didn't know anything about the Emperor in ESB or Darth Vader in ANH, but it felt like we were stepping into the middle of a much larger story. With Snoke it does feel more like the guy just came from nowhere. It would have been nice to learn a little about him, but I guess in the end it doesn't matter that much.

I saw Last Jedi for the second time at the IMAX theater. I liked it better the second time around.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And the answer was?
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He thought that because we were eventually given the Emperor's background in the prequels that we should also have been given Snoke's background during this trilogy. I'm of the opinion that Snoke's story is irrelevant, that Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's story is the one that matters for the Dark Side users.

Also, he seemed to be stuck on the idea that the Rule of Two applied to all Dark Siders, rather than just the Sith. I tried to explain to him that the Sith were like a religious order, and not the name for all Dark Siders, but that didn't seem to set with him very well. I think he might have Snoke confused for a Sith lord.
 
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St. Clown said:
He thought that because we were eventually given the Emperor's background in the prequels that we should also have been given Snoke's background during this trilogy. I'm of the opinion that Snoke's story is irrelevant, that Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's story is the one that matters for the Dark Side users.

Also, he seemed to be stuck on the idea that the Rule of Two applied to all Dark Siders, rather than just the Sith. I tried to explain to him that the Sith were like a religious order, and not the name for all Dark Siders, but that didn't seem to set with him very well. I think he might have Snoke confused for a Sith lord.
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I'm on your side of both arguments.
 
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Going back to an earlier discussion...

I counted it off one time, and I've read something like 160 of the 240+ old Star Wars novels. Most of them were decent with a few authors (three or four) putting out the majority of the above average works. There were also a few really bad ones in the mix.

I'm a Star Wars geek in that I just enjoyed the old mythos pre-Disney, but there were too many issues that Disney can't constrict itself by adhering to those old books. They're smart to bring in aspects of those novels (names of planets and alien races, certain Force powers, a few characters though not many, etc.) while vastly changing the overall story. There were too many contradictions, and the Star Wars story group didn't do as good of a job cobbling together the various authors into a coherent universe as Disney is doing now. That said, Disney's new books aren't all that impressive, save just a few.
 
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Kepler said:
I had no idea this was a thing. Wow, what a racket! :)
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I read most of them through my library, so it wasn't such a giant cost to me. There were two authors where I read their stuff and decided to buy all of their specific books in the series as they earned it.
 
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I read most of them through my library, so it wasn't such a giant cost to me. There were two authors where I read their stuff and decided to buy all of their specific books in the series as they earned it.
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The Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy by Zahn had to be one of them.

No clue on the other.
 
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unofan said:
The Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy by Zahn had to be one of them.

No clue on the other.
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I bought all of Zahn's books, and there was only one of his books that didn't really hit the mark. The other author that impressed me being Michael A. Stackpole's X-Wing series.
 
St. Clown said:
He thought that because we were eventually given the Emperor's background in the prequels that we should also have been given Snoke's background during this trilogy. I'm of the opinion that Snoke's story is irrelevant, that Kylo Ren's/Ben Solo's story is the one that matters for the Dark Side users.

Also, he seemed to be stuck on the idea that the Rule of Two applied to all Dark Siders, rather than just the Sith. I tried to explain to him that the Sith were like a religious order, and not the name for all Dark Siders, but that didn't seem to set with him very well. I think he might have Snoke confused for a Sith lord.
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This is very interesting and dovetails with some of my friends who were disappointed for the same reasons. My argument, like yours, is Snoke's origins don't matter. No-one cared about origins for Vader or Palpatine to the level they suddenly care about Snoke.

Also, there are hints with Snoke if people look for them. He's most likely from the Old Republic and was awoken by Palpatine's order 66. But that's neither here nor there to non-fanboys.

I think what has been made clear from the outset is this is Kylo Ren/Ben Solo's story which is why the early marketing favored his image/toys and largely still does.

The other fanboy crap about Luke is childish. As if Ben and Yoda didn't run and hide as well. And they're consistent on Luke: whiny, stubborn, can't learn the lessons without being told explicitly by the wiser Yoda. The difference being Luke took Yoda's advice about learning from failure and "we are what they grow beyond" and sacrificed himself for the resistance.

I don't know why I'm so irritated by the detractors this time around vs the TFA detractors but...
 
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I'd be interested to know Snoke's origin, and the history and sociology of the Republic and the Empire in general, but the former is another story and the latter doesn't sell tickets.

How much time has elapsed between the end of Ep 6 and the beginning of Ep 7?
 
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Kepler said:
I'd be interested to know Snoke's origin, and the history and sociology of the Republic and the Empire in general, but the former is another story and the latter doesn't sell tickets.

How much time has elapsed between the end of Ep 6 and the beginning of Ep 7?
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Thirty to forty years, give or take. It's stated somewhere, in one of Disney's new novels, but I don't recall the exact timeline.

ETA: Also, from a question I read somewhere else, perhaps earlier in this thread:

The reason the New Republic's military wing was always called "The Resistance" is because the New Republic disbanded any official military because the people (citizens and pols) were concerned about the rise of a new Galactic Empire from within the Republic after the Empire was finally defeated - a few months after Ep VI ended. Remnants of that final battle can be seen on Jakku in Ep. VII.

Leia and some others found the threat of The First Order when then-Ben Solo was around 10 years old, and formed their covert military group to support the Republic against Snoke's reformed Empire military (his name was yet unknown to the Resistance fighters at that time). Ben Solo was born a few years after Ep. VI (five or six?). Ben Solo/Rylo Ken is a 30-something-year-old character in these new movies.
 
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FreshFish said:
maybe because The Last Jedi is a much superior movie than TFA was?
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That is my opinion as well...part of it may be the overanalysis (imo) I'm hearing from friends: A. It makes no sense, plot holes, Rose and Holdo suck. B. Makes a political point by putting women in charge everywhere. C. Then the opposite nutbag viewpoint: the movie is racist, sexist, etc
D. Luke would never x, Jedi never y, Leia = Mary Poppins etc

I'm usually fine with criticism of movies, books or films I like or love. This time around I just can't take the endless barrage. Even Forbes writing article daily about tickets sales...ugh

As for the points about women in control and the movie being an uber feminist polemic... I told a friend to get a grip. There was a movie in 1977 that featured a rescue of a princess by a walking carpet, a farm boy, a crazy wizard and a self-centered rogue. When push came to shove they had no plan so she took control...gasp??? What??? A woman took control?

I think that's what bugs me the most, the bs politicization of a sci-fi fantasy. EDIT: politicization by alt-right and even some uber left leaning people.

This isn't Joseph Conrad, Kafka, Coppola or Scorsese, Morrison or Alexie.
 
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