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St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyond?

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It seems the heat has been turned up. Too bad we're not scheduled to play again this season.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

It seems the heat has been turned up. Too bad we're not scheduled to play again this season.

Twice was quite enough thank you. I think the heat is turned up because we are only meeting those two games that count. I think the non conference and Lake Placid games the past few years took away a little from the rivalry.
I think it's better this way Joe.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

It seems the heat has been turned up. Too bad we're not scheduled to play again this season.

Clarkson was the better team this weekend, but I am not sure they are actually the better team. I do hope we meet again in the playoffs and see if we can exact some revenge after addressing the issues we had this weekend. This SLU team has talent and will be really good at some point in time. Once we can address our PK, defensive zone coverage and get more experience for our young guys, I think this team and the outcome of such a matchup might be different.

Having said that, I agree with Mike and don't like the NC games being scheduled. The intensity was good this year because they mattered and I prefer our guys getting exposed to places like Grand Forks and Orono. Plus, if I had to listen to Bartell again, I'd need to start drinking now to slow my thinking down to a level where his offensive conduct is directed towards my *** since that is where he obviously talks from.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I think the non conference and Lake Placid games the past few years took away a little from the rivalry.

Mike, I have to respectively disagree. I was disappointed they did away with the SLU/Clarkson Lake Placid game. There are some very good North Country hockey fans there and they would usually get 5,000 people for the games.

I'm not sure why they did away with it this year, but maybe it's because of the ECAC Championships going back to LP.

I'll never forget the atmosphere of the 1999 ECAC Championship game between SLU and Clarkson. The 8,000 seats were all sold out and that place was rocking!

Hopefully the Saints will have another chance at that this spring!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

If we meet at Lake Placid, they'll need a bigger boat.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

It seems to me what worked thjs year was not just no NC game but also the back-to-back, home-and-home aspect along with the pre-Christmas scheduling. I coukd feel the energy around last weekend all the way out here in California. When you separate this series from the week-in, week-out grind if the latter half of the ECAC season, you've helped make it special. And it's early enough in the season where the games are.actually going to matter a lot in the standings down the line. It doesn't hurt that both teams are (were) off to fast starts.

Hell, if we're going to play in Lake Placid, maybe we ought to try to schedule a big money program so that we can give them some gate money as incentive. How about a replay of the 1988 Minnesota v. St. Lawrence game at Herb Brooks Arena?
 
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http://www.sbncollegehockey.com/201...s-union-on-top-clarkson-announces-its-arrival

ECAC Power Rankings…SLU fans might not be happy with where I dropped the team to, but interesting tidbit about the career point total for Greg Carey.

Power rankings seem accurate. I am surprised we didn't drop lower. You get to be a winning hockey team by success at both ends of the ice - plain and simple.

195 would be all time points leader. Me thinks he has a good chance to surpass 197.
 
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It seems to me what worked thjs year was not just no NC game but also the back-to-back, home-and-home aspect along with the pre-Christmas scheduling. I coukd feel the energy around last weekend all the way out here in California. When you separate this series from the week-in, week-out grind if the latter half of the ECAC season, you've helped make it special. And it's early enough in the season where the games are.actually going to matter a lot in the standings down the line. It doesn't hurt that both teams are (were) off to fast starts.

Hell, if we're going to play in Lake Placid, maybe we ought to try to schedule a big money program so that we can give them some gate money as incentive. How about a replay of the 1988 Minnesota v. St. Lawrence game at Herb Brooks Arena?

I think what also helped is the games were on Friday and Saturday night when the students are in school. No bigger waste than having these games on a Tuesday night or when the students are on break. I like tourney's. For one thing, there is more hockey and more fans and for another it's good practice for the league championship. MAYBE I am okay with adding in a single game in LP, but not two. I watched some of the NC games and they lacked the energy that these games had. Besides, in most years, Clarkson isn't worth anything in the PWR and is not a TUC. If we go anywhere after LP this year and were able to eek out an at-large bid with a great second half run, it will be the games against Ferris State, UND and maybe even Maine that will matter. Clarkson's had good success this season, but looking at their NC schedule it's not great. CC is winless out of the NCHC and has 2 wins, RIT, UNH is a good one but they lost to them. Further, even in my era when we generally beat Clarkson, I didn't like those games as much as some others. They carried too much emotion and not enough hockey. We rarely play our best against them. I'd like to see Cornell more or schedule games such as at Wisconsin or at Minnesota or at Michigan/Michigan State. Those games at Wisconsin a few years ago were a lot of fun, great exposure, great experience for the players and we were the only team in Wisco's first 21 games to beat them. I'd love to see the two league games against Clarkson scheduled as home and home the last weekend of the Regular Season. That's usually when we are at our best.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Lake Placid is a pipe dream for this team until some major changes happen defensively. It's scary to think we have one of the best offenses in the country and are gonna scrape to be a .500 team. If we can fix even a couple things in our defensive end we could be a major force in the second half but we all have been saying this since the beginning of the pre-season scrimmages with basically no improvement so far in our end of the ice.

Not pointing the finger at the coaches just don't think we have the horses defensively. As it's been talked about in this thread and other threads there was a year or two of thin recruiting with Coach Marsh being sidelined. This is proving to really be biting us in the rear with this group defensively. If anyone can fix a group's lack defensively it is Coach Hurlbut.

On to Vermont...Let's Go Saints!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Lake Placid is a pipe dream for this team until some major changes happen defensively. It's scary to think we have one of the best offenses in the country and are gonna scrape to be a .500 team. If we can fix even a couple things in our defensive end we could be a major force in the second half but we all have been saying this since the beginning of the pre-season scrimmages with basically no improvement so far in our end of the ice.

Not pointing the finger at the coaches just don't think we have the horses defensively. As it's been talked about in this thread and other threads there was a year or two of thin recruiting with Coach Marsh being sidelined. This is proving to really be biting us in the rear with this group defensively. If anyone can fix a group's lack defensively it is Coach Hurlbut.

On to Vermont...Let's Go Saints!

I disagree. There have been nights our team defense has been excellent. At Harvard, we were pretty dominant at both ends of the ice. I'd say after the first period at Dartmouth we were acceptable in the 2nd and 3rd. We do have the horses. I think Bayreuther and Sweetman are both future all-americans. Further, a lot of the problems were not defensemen, they were forwards missing their assignments. Obviously, goaltending is important. While I won't pin either loss on Wenny this weekend, I will say he seems to be struggling. I am not sure how far we will go this season, but for the sake of some seniors that have been a joy to watch such as Carey, Baker, Wenny and Wick especially, I hope the turn around happens this season. There is no doubt even with the loss of George Hughes, our defense is better this year than last. Carvy was a great defensive forward, and I hope he can fix the forwards defensively. Hurley was a great 2 way defensemen and I know he can fix our woes back there. Mayo was a goalie and I am hoping he can get Wenny to the top of his game or hurry Parks along who is, at a minimum, huge in net. I know we have a highly regarded goalie coming in next year.

I believe this team is going to be a really good team. What I don't know is when. The recruits we have coming in are moving this program in the right direction. I have seen what this team is capable of and not only did they dominate Harvard at both ends of the ice, they physically took it to them too - especially Sweetman and Wick.

I remember Joe Marsh's first season in 85-86. We were 0-7 at this stage of the season but we had obvious talent. The second half, we tore it up and were above .500. Then, we got first placed Yale in the playoffs and we were leading 5-3 in the third and Freshmen Russ Mann made a clearing pass that when right to a Yale player headed high speed towards our net and they scored and went on to win 6-5. I never saw Russ make that mistake in a game again, and the next three seasons we were in the league championship every year and, won it twice and went to the NCAA's all three years. The good news is it is not a talent problem. It is not a lack of potential problem. It is tweaks, teachable moments and just getting guys more experience and getting them to do their jobs. In 1985, our last loss before Christmas was 10-1 to those buttheads up route 11 playing extremely short handed with injuries a plenty. About January 15th, we were beating that same Clarkson team 5-4 and Mike Hurlbut took a dumb retaliation penalty and instead of playing out most of the remaining time on the PP, or even strength, it was 4-4 or we were on the PK and they scored. Timmy Lappin won it for us in OT, but I don't think Hurley EVER took a dumb penalty like that again in his remaining 3.5 years. You can't get lower than losing to Clarkson 10-1. I think we are in a similar situation. The talent is there. The coaches are there. The glimpses of what we could be are there. I have complete faith that those wretched things we all saw this and in recent weekends that made me want to puke are fixable and will be fixed. I just don't know when.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Power rankings seem accurate. I am surprised we didn't drop lower. You get to be a winning hockey team by success at both ends of the ice - plain and simple.

195 would be all time points leader. Me thinks he has a good chance to surpass 197.

Brian McFarlane is the all time goal scorer with 101, is that correct (I think it is)? He would really have to catch fire to break that mark, he is 23 goals behind!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I disagree. There have been nights our team defense has been excellent. At Harvard, we were pretty dominant at both ends of the ice. I'd say after the first period at Dartmouth we were acceptable in the 2nd and 3rd. We do have the horses. I think Bayreuther and Sweetman are both future all-americans. Further, a lot of the problems were not defensemen, they were forwards missing their assignments. Obviously, goaltending is important. While I won't pin either loss on Wenny this weekend, I will say he seems to be struggling. I am not sure how far we will go this season, but for the sake of some seniors that have been a joy to watch such as Carey, Baker, Wenny and Wick especially, I hope the turn around happens this season. There is no doubt even with the loss of George Hughes, our defense is better this year than last. Carvy was a great defensive forward, and I hope he can fix the forwards defensively. Hurley was a great 2 way defensemen and I know he can fix our woes back there. Mayo was a goalie and I am hoping he can get Wenny to the top of his game or hurry Parks along who is, at a minimum, huge in net. I know we have a highly regarded goalie coming in next year.

I believe this team is going to be a really good team. What I don't know is when. The recruits we have coming in are moving this program in the right direction. I have seen what this team is capable of and not only did they dominate Harvard at both ends of the ice, they physically took it to them too - especially Sweetman and Wick.

I remember Joe Marsh's first season in 85-86. We were 0-7 at this stage of the season but we had obvious talent. The second half, we tore it up and were above .500. Then, we got first placed Yale in the playoffs and we were leading 5-3 in the third and Freshmen Russ Mann made a clearing pass that when right to a Yale player headed high speed towards our net and they scored and went on to win 6-5. I never saw Russ make that mistake in a game again, and the next three seasons we were in the league championship every year and, won it twice and went to the NCAA's all three years. The good news is it is not a talent problem. It is not a lack of potential problem. It is tweaks, teachable moments and just getting guys more experience and getting them to do their jobs. In 1985, our last loss before Christmas was 10-1 to those buttheads up route 11 playing extremely short handed with injuries a plenty. About January 15th, we were beating that same Clarkson team 5-4 and Mike Hurlbut took a dumb retaliation penalty and instead of playing out most of the remaining time on the PP, or even strength, it was 4-4 or we were on the PK and they scored. Timmy Lappin won it for us in OT, but I don't think Hurley EVER took a dumb penalty like that again in his remaining 3.5 years. You can't get lower than losing to Clarkson 10-1. I think we are in a similar situation. The talent is there. The coaches are there. The glimpses of what we could be are there. I have complete faith that those wretched things we all saw this and in recent weekends that made me want to puke are fixable and will be fixed. I just don't know when.

I agree with most of this. I also see the upside in the team defensively, but my problem is that I just hope we are able to shore that up for the remainder of this season. Yes, we have a stud goalie coming in and the young D-corp will now have a year under their belt. We should be solid defensively in years to come, but with this much offensive talent I just wish we could be better defensively now. We could be a tremendous team and a no doubt NCAA contender with a strong defensive team. Who knows maybe during the winter break we can put it all together ... Only time will tell, that's for sure.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Lake Placid is a pipe dream for this team until some major changes happen defensively.

Well for the sake of my $250+ per night room I already have booked, I sure hope we can make it or else I may be watching four teams with less enthusiasm than I would if my Saints were there! :p ;)
 
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On a complete side note and something worth noting about those b****** from up Route 11 ... Did anyone else notice the sign that the Clarkson students had put on the glass behind Wenninger for Fridays game? It was a sign that talked about his kids and the sign read "This is how Matt Wenninger manages to get himself a tax write-off" ... Not that I am surprised in the least considering this is normal behavior from Clarkson fans, but this crosses a bit of a line and I'm really surprised no one mentioned it here yet. Thankfully, someone agreed with me as it was removed halfway through the 3rd period of play (not sure what took that long). What a joke!
 
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I think the defense and forwards just need to play more disipline. There are a number of time I have seen the opponents just walk in uncontested and shoot on the goalies. I think Wenny can turn it around but if they turn it over to Parks I have faith in him as well. He has been getting better everytime he plays. I saw some of him last year when he was in Juniors after he committed and he is an athletic goalie for being that big. He just needs to play. It looks like his is used to being the work horse and has to get into a rhythm. With Hayton coming in next year I think he will definetly push Parks and it will be a good competition.
 
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I think the defense and forwards just need to play more disipline. There are a number of time I have seen the opponents just walk in uncontested and shoot on the goalies. I think Wenny can turn it around but if they turn it over to Parks I have faith in him as well. He has been getting better everytime he plays. I saw some of him last year when he was in Juniors after he committed and he is an athletic goalie for being that big. He just needs to play. It looks like his is used to being the work horse and has to get into a rhythm. With Hayton coming in next year I think he will definetly push Parks and it will be a good competition.

Don't overlook MacDonald. He was very highly regarded before getting injured the year before college.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

On a complete side note and something worth noting about those b****** from up Route 11 ... Did anyone else notice the sign that the Clarkson students had put on the glass behind Wenninger for Fridays game? It was a sign that talked about his kids and the sign read "This is how Matt Wenninger manages to get himself a tax write-off" ... Not that I am surprised in the least considering this is normal behavior from Clarkson fans, but this crosses a bit of a line and I'm really surprised no one mentioned it here yet. Thankfully, someone agreed with me as it was removed halfway through the 3rd period of play (not sure what took that long). What a joke!

That is classless. After what when on few years back at Clarkson's hockey camp, they shouldn't be talking about ANYONE"S personal life. Being able to show that person what they can do with that sign would almost have made the loss not seem so bad....almost!
 
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