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SLU - Summer of 2010

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Well got my first chance to see the Saints in person.
Before I weigh in on the game, just a comment to say what a pleasure it was to be back in Lake Placid and to be in an arena that has so much hockey history and ECAC history as well. According to the box score there were 5,500 people there for our game but I assume that also counted those who attended the RPI/Union game (but not positive on that)????? It was a great atmosphere (unlike Albany) and I can only imagine the morgue that Atlantic City will be. For our game and the one before the stands looked quite full other than the upper section and there was plenty of atmosphere and noise (unlike Albany). Now that I have that off my chest onto the game.

Although the loss stung and came off a pretty egregious turnover by us there were a lot of positives to take from the game. I think we have to be realistic in that we have an awful lot of freshman playing and it is going to take some time for everyone to jell. We did carry a lot of the play as the SOG indicated but we missed 3-4 glorious chances on passes to players on the weak side that had open nets and just couldn't get the shot off or if they did....it didn't go into the net.

Our goaltending was outstanding. Weninger looks to be a real diamond in the rough and will only get better with more experience. He was always square to the puck, moves great and for the most part it seems every puck shot at him that he doesn't catch or control completely, drops harmlessly right in front of him where he can smother it or direct it elsewhere.

On the negative to get 8 power plays and not score probably sealed our fate. At times the entire PP seemed to consist of Little Flanny spinning magic and little else. That aspect of our game really needs work.

Carey appears to be a real goal scoring threat. Boy can he release and get a shot off in the blink of an eye. He had a few tonight that Karpowich had saves on but they were saves only in the sense he got in the way of the shot. A little bit either way and they were in the net. I also really like the play of Essery. Very responsible on the back check and all over the ice. I can see already how the comparisons to Travis V. are being made as I think he will be every bit as good and that is saying something. Wick is very strong on his feet and appreciates the contact aspect of the game shall we say. Baker looked pretty solid on D as the game went on however our D overall didn't seem to have much jump tonight....we looked slow at times (defense).

I think the ice also might not have been in the best shape. Both teams had tons of passes bounce over sticks.

Another concern was Bogo seemed to get hurt on a shift......he went down pretty hard holding his head....he came back for a shift or two then did not play again the rest of the night. We couldn't tell what was wrong but I sure hope it isn't the dreaded "C" word.

I don't know if it is just because I am getting older but it didn't seem like both teams played with the intensity that one has come to expect over the years from an SLU/Clarkson game. The spunkiest player for us tonight was probably Mobley.

We have four at home, all ECAC tilts and then we hit the road for I think 11 of 12 games. Wins may be hard to come by with that schedule but I think this will be a very different team by the end of the year than they are right now.

I also think Clarkson will fare a lot better this year. I'm hopeful the Saints can at least pick up a couple of W's to get that monkey off our back over the next four games. I think more than a couple of wins out of those 4 games might be unrealistic but again....I think we will get better and better as the year goes on.

It was great fun to see so many familiar faces in Lake Placid and I hope this can become an annual event. And not to start a flame fest or a whole new thread on the subject but the place, the town, the arena are all perfectly proportioned for a conference of our size and scope and it is a shame we are going to be in Atlantic City for a few years before it moves elsewhere and trust me.....it will be moving elsewhere when that contract is up. I haven't talked to a soul who is even thinking of going there even if our beloved Saints were somehow to make it.
 
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Well got my first chance to see the Saints in person.
I don't know if it is just because I am getting older but it didn't seem like both teams played with the intensity that one has come to expect over the years from an SLU/Clarkson game. The spunkiest player for us tonight was probably Mobley.

I don't think I would mistake lack of chippiness for lack of intensity. Both teams are young and learning their way around both the rivalry and D-1 hockey. I think the teams were plenty intense, but just weren't as chippy as we've seen in the past. Honestly, on the Clarkson side, we don't have that chippy get in your face guy (like Cayer used to be or even Beca), or he hasn't surfaced yet. However, I thought our guys were very intense. Oakley blocked probably 1/2 a dozen shots in a non-conference "friendly". Toward the end of the game, it really seemed DeFazio and Freeman would have skated through a brick wall to get the win (although they didn't get the eventual game winner).
 
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Mike summed it up pretty well. I thought SLU "should have" won. We all know what that's worth, but they did miss a couple of open nets on BEAUTIFUL passes, they had some deflections just miss, and I thought they had the advantage in the third and OT. (Earlier in the game Clarkson had some stretches where they were in control.) Clarkson blocked a ton of shots, especially on the PK.

I was impressed by every single one of SLU's freshmen. You can tell the team needs some more time together, but individually they all looked good. Carey has a great wrist shot, and always seems to find open ice. He should be a big-time scorer. Weninger was great. Karpowich was his usual self, and he got the job done, but Weninger looked just as good, and I honestly thought he was better at controlling rebounds.

I am a bit worried about injuries. Losing Bogosian hurt last night and I hope he's not out for long. There were a couple of other guys that really didn't look like themselves last night and it played a part in both Clarkson goals. I hope they were just sick or something, because we'll need them to play to last year's standards.

All in all, it was GREAT to be in Lake Placid, nice to see everybody, and it was an exciting game. SLU will get a W one of these days, but they'll be a work in progress for a while yet. This was a tough loss, but they showed a lot of potential.
 
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Mike summed it up pretty well. I thought SLU "should have" won. We all know what that's worth, but they did miss a couple of open nets on BEAUTIFUL passes, they had some deflections just miss, and I thought they had the advantage in the third and OT. (Earlier in the game Clarkson had some stretches where they were in control.) Clarkson blocked a ton of shots, especially on the PK.

I was impressed by every single one of SLU's freshmen. You can tell the team needs some more time together, but individually they all looked good. Carey has a great wrist shot, and always seems to find open ice. He should be a big-time scorer. Weninger was great. Karpowich was his usual self, and he got the job done, but Weninger looked just as good, and I honestly thought he was better at controlling rebounds.

I am a bit worried about injuries. Losing Bogosian hurt last night and I hope he's not out for long. There were a couple of other guys that really didn't look like themselves last night and it played a part in both Clarkson goals. I hope they were just sick or something, because we'll need them to play to last year's standards.

All in all, it was GREAT to be in Lake Placid, nice to see everybody, and it was an exciting game. SLU will get a W one of these days, but they'll be a work in progress for a while yet. This was a tough loss, but they showed a lot of potential.

I do not think it is a concussion for Bogo, but a leg injury and I suspect if he did not come back he is hurt. That is a big loss. We are already playing without one captain lost on the first game.

The freshmen are impressive I agree. I think October has been a month of pretty bad luck, bad bounces and BAD INJURIES. I genuinely believe the unusual number of injuries has been key in this team not really finding a rhythym. This reminds me a bit of 1985-1986 when we started 0-7 (but, does anyone remember what happened in the following years??):) We need a stretch of good health and for this team to find some chemistry. After the first game and for the first line, I haven't seen much chemistry on the lines. I'll be the last one to second guess the coaches, but I also wonder if we should pick two Powerplay units instead of just rolling lines. I say that only because I agree with Tim that we can not squander PP chances and expect to win....and we sure as hell can't give up a shorty!! It obviously appears it is Weninger's job to lose. He was clearly the better goalie on the first weeken out in Minnesota. He was coming out, playing aggressively, squaring well and just seems to be a true goalie.

It would be nice to come out of this homestand at .500 but that won't be easy. Let's just hope for fewer injuries and a few bounces and for guys to find their ability to sift. Between the Flanagan's, Wick, Carey, and Carden there is some scoring ability on this team. Not to mention Baker who just makes incredible passes like Hughes.

Anyway...told you y'all would like these freshmen.
 
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I do not think it is a concussion for Bogo, but a leg injury and I suspect if he did not come back he is hurt. That is a big loss. We are already playing without one captain lost on the first game.

Bogo will miss at least one week, probably two. He said in a postgame interview that it's an MCL issue. Obviously, he didn't have an MRI or anything last night, but I'm assuming he'll get it more carefully checked out this week. The good news is that he was walking around by the lockerrooms after the game, so it isn't as serious as Pete Child's injury was.

There are some video interviews on the blog, including one with coach Joe Marsh. He talks about how the injuries have really hurt this team, especially in developing the freshman. Having one captain out is tough, but almost all the injuries have come to upper classmen, which is why so many freshmen are skating.

http://watertowndailytimes.com/section/blogs05

- Dan
 
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I don't think I would mistake lack of chippiness for lack of intensity. Both teams are young and learning their way around both the rivalry and D-1 hockey. I think the teams were plenty intense, but just weren't as chippy as we've seen in the past. Honestly, on the Clarkson side, we don't have that chippy get in your face guy (like Cayer used to be or even Beca), or he hasn't surfaced yet. However, I thought our guys were very intense. Oakley blocked probably 1/2 a dozen shots in a non-conference "friendly". Toward the end of the game, it really seemed DeFazio and Freeman would have skated through a brick wall to get the win (although they didn't get the eventual game winner).

I guess we all see things the way we "want to" see them. To me "intensity" means a lot of different things but the first one is body contact and hitting, then checking, busting a gut to get back and playing with an edge. Through these eyes there were long stretches where a lot of that was minimal. I thought both teams played "young" with a lot of slopiness, errant passes, etc. There were several examples where Clarkson had a big offensive advantage only to pass the puck back out of the zone causing the whole team to have to clear the zone to get back on side. That happened on the PP as well as full strength. There were also ton's of errant passes on our end as well where everyone in our row was like......"what was that?" All young or early season mistakes.
There is a lot to like about both teams but at this point I still think both teams are bottom 6 teams. I may eat my words until I see more of the other teams that I still have question marks about (Harvard, Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton to name a few). But I think particularly with our playing 11 of 12 games on the road stretch....our record this year will put us a lot closer to the bottom than the middle of the standings. BUT the thing about the ECAC is it has always been a league of parity so even if we aren't great (or even good) now......come playoff time and the end of the season.....anything can happen. (Can you say Brown last year??)

Clarkson and SLU did have several players a few of whom you name who did play with an edge. For us it was Mobley, Essery, Wick to name a few.

The thing that is somewhat of a riddle for me is our defense. We clearly have a lot of talent back there but the majority of it is young. They can shoot, pass, rush the puck.....but I'd sure like to see a few physical, stay at home, make you pay for entering the zone type defensemen show up on our roster.

Whether we agree or disagree about the intensity level it was great to have nice, noisy crowd in an arena and town we all love. The Halloween element was also fun including those who showed up in costumes some of which were pretty creative.

I haven't sent my ECAC contest picks in yet as I usually wait until the last minute. But I am really struggling with where to place us, Clarkson, Brown, Harvard, Princeton and even Dartmouth. My mind is pretty made up on the rest of the teams but with a little uncertainty about Dartmouth I think I just listed the bottom 6 not in any particular order. As for the top 6 I think Q Pac is closer to the bottom 6 than the rest of the teams and while I was leaning towards Union as the top pick (because of Yales goaltending situation which has yet to prove itself) I think people are "overrating" Cornell.
 
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First things first - It was great to see so many of you and thanks to all for your hospitality. Being in LP is always special and I bet that the attendance (5,500) last night beats both nights combined come March in AC.

The Saints need to get healthy, plain and simple. And, we need to do a better job of converting those potential tap-in goals down low. If those two things happen, look out.

The two players who stood out for me were Weninger and Carey. Weninger seems to be in perfect position at all times - square to the puck and not flopping all over. Carey has got one very quick release and it's accurate. Can see why he broke records in his Junior League.

Not much more to say as others have covered it well. Despite the gut-wrenching loss, it was worth it to see such a large crowd there and remark to others many times, "take that AC."

Go Saints.
 
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It was great to see the support both NC teams and RPI gave to this tournament. 5500 may well be higher than BOTH nights at AC combined. The only teams with a snowball's chance in Hades of drawing there are Yale (due to proximity) and Cornell (because they always travel well). Clarkson generally outdraws Princeton at Hobey Baker, I wouldn't expect to see many Princeton fans in AC.

You guys are all mentioning the job Weninger did and rightfully so. Both goaltenders weathered the storm of a number of quality chances. The one thing I noticed about Weninger is how far he comes out on shots from the point or above the circle. It almost seems too far to me and when the shots went wide, the active end boards in Lake Placid left the puck almost behind Weninger waiting to be deposited in net (if only anyone was there). I almost wondered if it might have been a strategy to shoot low off the end boards from the point and crash the rebound. I've never played hockey and don't know if this even makes sense, but I saw it at least 4-5 times during the game.
 
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For those of us who "live and die" for our favorite college hockey team, there comes a time when that is secondary. And that time came to Pioneer fans this weekend.
GRAND FORKS, N.D. — University of Denver center Jesse Martin sustained three neck fractures in Saturday night's hockey game at North Dakota and was transferred to a Minneapolis hospital this morning where doctors are deciding if emergency surgery is required to relieve swelling of the spinal cord, the player's father said.

Read more: DU's Martin facing emergency surgery for broken neck - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...#ixzz13z0LjWRS

A new thread has been started
"Pass on your best wishes to Jesse Martin here"
 
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For those of us who "live and die" for our favorite college hockey team, there comes a time when that is secondary. And that time came to Pioneer fans this weekend.
GRAND FORKS, N.D. — University of Denver center Jesse Martin sustained three neck fractures in Saturday night's hockey game at North Dakota and was transferred to a Minneapolis hospital this morning where doctors are deciding if emergency surgery is required to relieve swelling of the spinal cord, the player's father said.

Read more: DU's Martin facing emergency surgery for broken neck - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_...#ixzz13z0LjWRS

A new thread has been started
"Pass on your best wishes to Jesse Martin here"

Wow! That is plain awful. Always sorry to hear of any player in any sport getting such a serious injury. First things first now, let's hope there is no cord compromise and that he is able to walk and live a normal life. I suspect he is quite stable or they would not have tried to transfer him. That is always terrible news. I am sure I speak for both the teams in the North Country in wishing him a full and speedy recovery.

It has just been one of those seasons so far. I will disagree with Mike on a few things. When this team was healthy (the first period at MSU-Mankato:mad: and not since) I really liked what I saw and did not see much of a difference at all from our team last season. We miss the poise of Keller and Caister on D, and the scoring of guys like McKenzie, but in a lot of ways I feel like we are better now because we are deeper. Only time will tell, but I think a healthy SLU team could challenge the top teams in the league which I expect will be Yale, Union, and Q-Pac (and it pains me to say that) followed by Colgate, Cornell and then it is wide open. I am not ready to concede a **** thing yet other than October has sucked!
 
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Saturday's game was fun to watch (I did stick around for the second game). I thought SLU's defensemen were very tough to play against, and really bailed out the team throughout the game, as much of it seemed to be in the SLU zone. Tough break in overtime there, but that game could have gone either way, and with a defensive game like that, I see you guys giving plenty of teams a run for their money. Good luck in conference play.
 
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OK only 2 days to get those picks in for the ECAC Pick The Standings Contest.
 
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Hey guys,

I've posted my weekly interview with Joe Marsh on the blog. He discusses the injuries, how the team is responding in practice, what the team lacks in fundamentals and what needs to improve heading into ECAC play.

Sorry it's a little late this week. I've been covering high school soccer, so I couldn't make it to practice on Monday or Tuesday.

Tomorrow I'll have the Get to Know a Saint with Sean Coffey.

http://watertowndailytimes.com/section/blogs05

Dan
 
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Thanks Dan........I highly recommend any "serious" Saint fan to listen to that whole interview. It is a very telling interview about where coach Marsh things we need to improve. The injury news on Bogo is not encouraging.......it sounds like he could be out a month or so. Child is out, now with a back issue and Keller appears to be a long way off if ever. That's a lot of talent to be missing heading into our ECAC opener. But as Joe states in the interview this is the golden opportunity for other players who think they haven't been getting enough ice time to step up. I hope those injured can rest up and come back healthy because we sure need three players of that caliber.

It will not be an easy weekend. We have the home cooking on our side but these are two tough traditional rivals both of whom are picked to finish much higher than we are so it will be a tester. I was hoping for a split in the next four games and that is still what I think would be a decent outcome based on the crop of new guys we are working into the lineup.
 
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When it rains, it pours. Klancher has voluntarily left the team, as he had informed the coaches earlier this season that he would do. Too bad, but best of luck to Jake in any future endeavors.
 
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Thanks Dan........I highly recommend any "serious" Saint fan to listen to that whole interview. It is a very telling interview about where coach Marsh things we need to improve. The injury news on Bogo is not encouraging.......it sounds like he could be out a month or so. Child is out, now with a back issue and Keller appears to be a long way off if ever. That's a lot of talent to be missing heading into our ECAC opener. But as Joe states in the interview this is the golden opportunity for other players who think they haven't been getting enough ice time to step up. I hope those injured can rest up and come back healthy because we sure need three players of that caliber.

It will not be an easy weekend. We have the home cooking on our side but these are two tough traditional rivals both of whom are picked to finish much higher than we are so it will be a tester. I was hoping for a split in the next four games and that is still what I think would be a decent outcome based on the crop of new guys we are working into the lineup.

I listened to the whole interview and fully expect us to bring our A-game going forward. I expect that we will do much better than a split in the next four games, and will backcheck like there's no tomorrow from this point forward.
 
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When it rains, it pours. Klancher has voluntarily left the team, as he had informed the coaches earlier this season that he would do. Too bad, but best of luck to Jake in any future endeavors.

Yes, I have known about this since the beginning of the season. It is unfortunate, but I guess the cost of SLU was quite a burden on Jake's family and his family said they would pay for him to go to Pitt but not SLU. He was hoping to get some scholarship money but didn't really produce much offense in his first two seasons and when he came back and realized he was competing with a guy like Vangog for ice time on the 4th line, I guess he decided it was time to hang them up. Technically, he quit before the season started. I thought he should transfer to Penn State and try to get some ice time there when they start D-1 hockey, but I think he is off to Pitt.
 
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Well, a lot of discouraging news from you boys, but that seems to always be a possibility playing athletics at the DI level. It would be good to see some of the younger guys’ step-up and justify why they should receive more ice time. When the door closes for one person it opens for another. Then it is up to the other person to take advantage of the opportunity. It seems Mr. Sullivan has once again picked us to drop two this weekend. Amazing how Cornell with a 0-2 start and both losses to unranked RIT remains in the top 20. It would be great to see the Saints finally put a Win on the board. Sounds like they have been playing hard, but unable to finish. Let take advantage of some home ice and collect a couple of wins!

Go Saints Go
 
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I understand that the guy they have had in net has been playing well and he has great numbers for the most part, he really does. The only numbers that are bad are the wins...SLU in my eyes has always done poorly managing goaltenders from playing way to many to the complete opposite this year. In years past they have given a lot of guys opportunities and really were uncommitted to a goalie come February which you cant have as a team, you must figure that out before February. This year is different than years past, they seem pretty committed to their guy however they need to change it up, not for his play for the way the team has played and their results. The team may respond differently to having another tendy in net every now and then...

Also pretty interesting earlier this week the Portland Pirates of the American league had both SLU's Petizian and Clarkson's Leggio on their roster and Clarkson's Nick Dodge scored a goal on each of them in back to back nights.
 
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A real nice start to the ECAC season for the Saints. I didn't watch it but listened via the Internet.
For a long while it felt like it was going to end in a 0-0 tie!!! Unlike the games at the start of the season it was Cornell who tonight got careless with penalties particularly in the third and we took advantage. We really dominated in the third not only because Cornell was so shorthanded but we seemed to really want it which was nice to hear.

Congrats to Baker and Wick for getting their first goals as Saints.

I expect tomorrow nights game to actually be tougher. I don't know this early how good everyone is but I actually picked Gate to finish higher than Cornell this year.

Best of luck tomorrow. I won't be home to listen but I will be at the Ylae v. Q Pac game at the Whale so I can give you a report on how good Ylae might be this year as well as Q Pac who I will have seen play for the third time already this year thanks to the graciousness of MarkEagle!!! I know Ylae can score but the question is can they keep the puck out of the net? So far the answer seems to be no.
 
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