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SLU 2009-2010 Season

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I am thinking airhorns Mike?

I'm not sure Al but I think they were "outlawed" at college hockey games. Maybe we should all go out and buy Kazoo's (Sp?) and do a chorus of "When the Saints Come Marching In." Who knows we maybe could start a new trend/tradition?

All I know is if we sit in the same seats tonight I am going to give the Clarkson fan behind us $20 bucks to go sit elsewhere!!!!
 
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The comments below sum it up very well for me. St. Lawrence completely dominated play and possession for the last 50 minutes of the game. Karpowich was very good and SLU also just coldn't catch a break on a bounce. Then again, we were paid back in OT with two of the best bounces you could ever hope for, one each way. In the end, it was the right result.

Also, I couldn't agree more about McKenzie. He played through a LOT, and showed tremendous discipline all night. The whole team showed good composure for that matter, but McKenzie in particular. Great game - Got 6 said last night that whether or not he ever touched the puck on that shift, the OT goal belonged to Mike, and I completely agree.
 
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Hm. Game 3.

Reffing was questionable on more than several plays, especially in the first and second. We saw 3 different styles of reffing in 3 different periods tonight. The first? Tightly called. Second? Somewhere in the middle. Third? Let them play. Go figure.

Karpowich played well yet again, and was the difference late. How Morley slipped behind the Saint defense there in OT should never happen, but nice job by him on the goal.
 
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Game 3 otta be a doozy, just like the last 2. LGT ;)

Vic........I love you like a brother and you are one of the nicest Cklarkson (or any team) fans I know........so don't take anything I say in this post personal.

As to the game. Clarkson deserved the win and played well enough to win, but, so did we.

Clarkson was the sharper team with more jump in the first and we played as if we could win without our best effort. We got better as the game went on. To me, the story of this game was the officiating or lack thereof. We played the majority of the first period shorthanded which contributed to Clarksons effectiveness. A couple of our penalties were deserved, the majority were not. The first call on Drewiske looked like a clean but hard hit and he gets called for boarding. I think the official called the result of the player looking hurt as opposed to the hit. The charging the goalie penalty on Bollig was a real stretch...he was shoved in there. One of the penalties on Curran was a travesty.....he is breaking out of our zone with the potential for a partial breakaway and the referee does call Rufenach for holding but while Curran is squirming to get free he takes Alex too for elbowing. I thought the trip call on Dewey was very borderline as the Clarkson player was trying to jump over his stick.

To me (although Clarkson deserves kudo's for coming back) the difference in the game was all the penalties that SHOULD HAVE BEEN CALLED ON CLARKSON that weren't. To be fair we got away with a few too but no where near as many as Clarkson did. The game got very chippy and nasty at times and we were guilty of our share. Bollig absolutely crucified a Clarkson player with a cross check after Clarksons third goal.
But the most egregious non call was near the end of (I think it was the third) when Flanagan was absolutely tackled and darn near slew footed and taken down right in front of the official and nothing was called. Not to be overly dramatic but it was arguably one of the most obvious penalties I have ever seen take place where an official did not call it. It was a travesty.

While Beca is clearly a great player and one of Clarksons best.....to me he is a piece of sh_t. He woofs, he complains, he is just as dirty as anyone on the ice, he is a showoff and has no class. After he scored his goal he went by the SLU bench with his arms up in the air (for those old enough to remember a la John Wensink of the Bruins trying to take on the whole Canadians bench to a fight) Sorry Vic but to me he is the epitome of bush league. (Off line you can ask me how I really feel) :eek:

Karpowich played well again tonight and the thing I am most scared about heading into tomorrow is I keep waiting for the stinker Karpowich to show up (that Vic and others talk about) but so far we haven't seen that guy show up at Appleton. He made a game saving save when we had the 4-3 and frankly had we been able to finish our chances We could have won.

Nothing between these two teams is ever going to be easy and I think tomorrow is going to be based on several factors.

1. Luck will play a big part. Tonight it went Clarkson's way. Their third goal they got an absolutely unbelievably lucky bounce to go their way to even get the puck in our zone which led to a score. I turned around to Tim U and we both said how in the hell could a bounce like that happen???

2. Survival of the fittest. It will be a battle of wills and who wants it more. Friday Clarkson didn't even belong on the same ice as us. Tonight it was much more even. We had several players who looked pretty tired to me and I am concerned that Child (just coming back off his injury) may be running on empty.

3. Goaltending. So far as well as Alex has played, the edge has clearly gone to Karpowich. (Particuarly on Friday) Will Joe dare make a change to Tisi to change up the karma?????

4. The officiating. In the series so far the calls have significantly favored Clarkson (and I am trying to be as unbiased and fair as I can be.) The amount of infractions Clarkson has committed against us that have not been called in the last two nights numbers in double digits. In this regard Murphy is the most useless excuse for a referee I have ever seen. Bad and obvious stuff happens right in front of him and if anything gets called at all, it's McDonald from afar making the calls. The missed icings, offsides (all these both ways) are really disappointing.

If we want our season to continue we have to play more like Friday night and come out with more intensity and jump........we also have to be more disciplined and not put ourselves in a position to let the officials put us in the box as much as they did tonight. We also have to make some adjustments. While Friday we lugged the puck and carried it into the Clarkson zone with relative ease....tonight Clarkson formed a 5 man Maginot line in center ice and at the blue line forcing us to play more of a dump and chase game.

I still think we are the better team, that had more and better chances, but as we saw tonight that doesn't always mean you win a hockey game.
 
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2-2-1 on the season for this series, with 3 games going to overtime. I don't think you can find a more evenly matched season between these two rivals. Tomorrow is going to be one for the history books, one way or another. I'd wish you guys good luck, but I really don't want you to have it.
 
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Vic........I love you like a brother and you are one of the nicest Clarkson (or any team) fans I know........so don't take anything I say in this post personal.
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Never take anything personally when it is not directed personally at me. :p

I paid the $8 to B2 and watched the game with the SLU feed. Somewhat difficult to catch everything due to the camera placement and distance. I can't disagree with most of what you said about the officiating. Both teams got away with a lot out there and stuff was missed on both sides. Yeah, Clarkson probably deserved more than what was called on them compared to the Saints but your guys aren't any "Saints" out there either.

To me the difference as you said was Karpowich and I would throw in the SLU defense. Some brutal turnovers by your d and in one instance cost a goal.

As for Beca, did not see the taunting. If he did that, yep it was bush league and I will leave it at that.

So may the best team win or even better may the team wearing green and gold win ;) . Can't wait to hear TimU and Got6. :eek:

Are you gonna be there toknight? Should be another classic. 5 games so far this year and only one was decided by more than one goal.
 
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vicb;46767 So may the best team win or even better may the team wearing green and gold win ;) . Can't wait to hear TimU and Got6. :eek: Are you gonna be there toknight? Should be another classic. 5 games so far this year and only one was decided by more than one goal.[/QUOTE said:
Yes I will be there. I'm going to have to come up with a creative excuse for Monday or take a vacation day or sick day. Either way I am going tonight.
TimU was with us at the game with his son Ben but they had to go back to Vermont last night and I think they are going skiing today so it may be awhile before he weighs in. Got6 was there last night and is going to stay over and go tonight. I'm sure he will weigh in with his views in awhile.
Muskieman and Spaceman are here in Tupper Lake but Tayt has to go back although I think Muskie is staying.

We spoke to Wally Johnson after the game last night and he said they did expect a decent crowd tonight.
I agree we weren't "Saints" out there last night and I know if this were the regular season there would be at least two guys sitting tonight based on things they did out on the ice last night and we know who one of them is based on my previous post.

In my heart of hearts I still feel we are the better team bordering on being quite a bit bitter than the Knights. But I agree with you Vic.....Karpowich has been the story and we did commit some errors of omission last night. One of my concerns is a couple of our "D" did look tired so I hope the boys did get a good nights rest. It should be interesting and I'd like to say "enjoyable" but wathcing a Saints/Knights game at any time is never relaxing let alone game three of the playoffs.
 
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Can't wait to hear TimU and Got6. :eek:

I don't have a problem complaining about bad officiating. I try my best not to read bias into it, or place the blame for losses on calls or lack thereof. The Kotyra debacle in Colgate several years ago was an exception. This weekend was another. SLU got the short end of the stick on Friday, and they got it again last night. By a country mile. It was ridiculous. And it was 90% Murphy's fault for not blowing the whistle.

Before I get into it, I want to say this first: Good for Clarkson. Their season was on the line and they played like it. They never quit. They capitalized on their chances. They scored four good goals. The puck did bounce their way at both ends of the ice, but so what? I have also decided that Beca is a *********, but he's an excellent player. Friday night was literally no contest. Last night was much more even, mostly because Clarkson played a lot better.

OK, here's the thing. St. Lawrence is a better team than Clarkson this season. Specifically, SLU's offense is too much for Clarkson's undermanned defense. (Clarkson was dangerous on offense, but they just didn't spend as much time with possession in the SLU zone.) The Saints were faster, they were deeper, they possessed the puck more. Clarkson spend a lot of time chasing in the defensive zone, so they committed a lot more obstruction penalties. As it happened, J. Murphy was set up in Clarkson's end for two thirds of the game, and HE REFUSED TO CALL ANYTHING ON ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON. For the most part, any calls that were made were made from 100 feet away by McDonald. St. Lawrence had to play through interference, holding, hooking, high-sticking, and cross-checking in the offensive end for 7 periods. It kept happening and happening, and Murphy just wouldn't make a call. It was an absolute disgrace. Mike mentioned two of the worst ones from last night. The take-down on Flanagan was a bona-fide body slam, initiated from behind, with a stick up around the shoulders. It was maybe three feet from Murphy and he was looking right at it. On Friday there was a sequence when SLU cycled and shot the puck for most of two consecutive shifts. There were probably a half-dozen penalties committed by the Clarkson D as they wore down and chased: trips, holds, high sticks, all affecting the play. Most of them were blatant. Murphy stood there like a zombie. Then Clarkson finally got the puck to center ice, Carden laid a borderline high hit on someone, and McDonald sent him to the box for elbowing. Clarkson scored their second goal on the PP. That's the way it went both nights. Did it matter? I think it did. Clarkson should have played 10 or 12 more minutes of last night's game shorthanded. At least. It's a safe bet that their offensive production would have gone down and SLU's would have gone up.

I am very impressed with the discipline SLU has shown so far by not retaliating. They've taken a few penalties that way, but they've shown incredible restraint. Mike McKenzie should get a Nobel Prize.

There. :)

The bright side is, my son and I got to see TWO overtime playoff games between Clarkson and SLU. That's a pretty good weekend of college hockey. Now there will be a third. Whatever happens happens, but if SLU loses tonight - even if Clarkson plays great and beats them straight up - I will be upset about what happened last night for a long time.

I still hope to get out skiing this afternoon. Maybe that will make me feel better.
 
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Glad you got that off your chest Tim ;) . Is SLU the better team, yeah but not as much as I believe you all think they are. Again, I expect another close game and it would not surprise me to see another OT game. LGT
 
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I will keep mine short and sweet. I agree with Tim and Mike right down the line.

My real concern is that the guys will pick up playing exactly the way they played at the end of the game tonight. Because it will be the first period, everything will be called and the guys will be in the box scratching their heads wondering ***? The amount of holding, picking and muggings in the Clarkson defensive zone is contemptable. At least five times this weekend Murphy has looked right at a Clarkson player with a fist full of Saint jersey holding him back and has not been able to pluck the whistle out of his *** to make the right call. Unfortunately, the games are getting progressively chippy to the point now where someone is going to get hurt. I don't like what Bollig did after the 3rd or OT goals, but it is the exact same thing that Beca did to McKenzie after the SLU OT winner on Friday.

The amount of chirping and taunting happening from Beca alone is troubling. No one disputes he is a good player (and a Saint Killer), but he lacks class and doesn't represent your program well. During play, McKenzie is taking an average of about one infraction every 20 seconds from Clarkson players, between whistles they are chirping at him trying to get him to retaliate. That is not hockey. That is BS! Play the game like men. Play hard and when the whistle blows show some class and whichever team wins leave the ice with their pride and dignity intact.

As for specifics, the hit on Drewiske was terrible. Drewiske had position. Carden was nailed from behind and taken to the training room for evaluation on a play where the Clarkson player did not have position and no call. Curran was called for two penalties and I don't agree with either given what else was going on out there that wasn't called. Simply put, what is happening is what always happens in the ECAC...inconsistent application of the rules and the rules change between games. The linesmen are utterly clueless.

Finally, Clarkson has been hanging forwards high all weekend, and I believe the D pinched on the play and amplified the space Morley had. They are hanging forwards high and trying to take our d-men off their points. The other way, they are trapping. The bottom line for SLU is that have to be more effective at putting the puck in the net. They have to screen Karpowich more. We outchanced Clarkson dramatically, but we need to score on our chances.

Huge question for SLU is do they change the lineup and put some fresh legs on Forward to maybe get some more jump and who is in net.
 
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While Beca is clearly a great player and one of Clarksons best.....to me he is a piece of sh_t. He woofs, he complains, he is just as dirty as anyone on the ice, he is a showoff and has no class. After he scored his goal he went by the SLU bench with his arms up in the air (for those old enough to remember a la John Wensink of the Bruins trying to take on the whole Canadians bench to a fight) Sorry Vic but to me he is the epitome of bush league. (Off line you can ask me how I really feel) :eek:

I Couldn't agree more with what you say, and I'm a CU fan :eek:
As the years have gone on he has kept getting worse to. I don't see him going anywhere in the future if his attitude doesn't change, especially his selfishness.

As for the series, I'll refrain from comment.
 
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Glad you got that off your chest Tim ;) . Is SLU the better team, yeah but not as much as I believe you all think they are. Again, I expect another close game and it would not surprise me to see another OT game. LGT

Clarkson has gotten good goaltending, and they've created some good chances on offense - and buried them (something SLU hasn't been as good at). The fact that the games have been close, and even the fact that we're playing a third game, isn't a big surprise. But honestly, once the puck gets into the Clarkson zone, SLU's forwards against Clarkson's D is a mismatch. To me, that's the difference, and that's why Murphy's refusal to enforce the obstruction rules has been so maddening.

I'm off to the mountain. Here's to a good game tonight, no matter what happens.
 
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Tonight is a whole new series. And if SLU(t) doesn't want to be embarassed, they better win. Clarkson has nothing to be ashamed of if they lose. Come on, 12th place, we suck. But if SLU loses, it's a whole new story. Let's Go Techers. BTW, if anyone's going to the game tonight, get standing room. Those benches, or wooden planks, or whatever you wanna call them at Crappleton Arena give you splinters on your ***.
 
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Another classic Clarkson - SLU game. Congrats to the Saints. Hope you take out Colgate in the next round.
 
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Congrats on the big come from behind with Saints! That showed a lot of heart. Should be an interesting series against Colgate.
 
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