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Sioux vs Gophers - Sioux invade the John...

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JDUBBS1280 said:
Gophers 1928-29 Championship Season

1/7/1929 ** North Dakota Aggies* 12-0* W* * Minneapolis Arena, MN* * nc*
I don't see the "Chippewa Falls VFW" team on either schedule. Am I missing something?
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North Dakota Aggies?

That would be present day NDSU. NDSU was known as NDAC, North Dakota Agricultural College, until late 1960. Aggies formerly was their nickname. No self-respecting UND team would ever have called itself Aggies.

NDAC actually sponsored a team before UND did, but dropped it because they lost frequently and badly.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'll humor you, and cut you some slack, because you're a newb. We've had this debate on this board for years.

What we were talking about is what Happy accurately described as the "early years" of college hockey, pre-NCAA. Minnesota has assiduously kept careful records of each and every event they played during those years. Other programs, including UND, have treated them as club teams with no coaching staffs, no real University endorsement, and nothing more than curious footnotes to the program's history.

As I said, the programs will simply have to agree to disagree on the significance of those years.

As for Minnesota's competition during those pre-NCAA years, yes they did play teams such as Michigan, Yale, etc...

But...
Dallas A.C.
Tulsa A.C.
M. Cooke and Sons (Duluth)
Hibbing Veterans
Chippewa Falls American Legion
White Bear
Fort Snelling
Ascensions


to name but a few are not exactly household names in college hockey.
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What, you guys didn't have written language back then?

and like I said, just because you guys lost back in the day, and had to bring in overage Canadians to get a wining team, doesn't mean that the early history didn't happen. It just means you guys sucked back then. and, just because you are ignorant about an historic team, doesn't mean they were not household names back then.



After all, I am sure no one now in ND even knows who the Flickertails were, so they must be some nobody team from nowhere.
 
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Star2City said:
North Dakota Aggies?

That would be present day NDSU. NDSU was known as NDAC, North Dakota Agricultural College, until late 1960. Aggies formerly was their nickname. No self-respecting UND team would ever have called itself Aggies.

NDAC actually sponsored a team before UND did, but dropped it because they lost frequently and badly.
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back in the golden age when U of M could beat NDSU at sports...
 
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burd said:
Part of the historic relationship between UMinn and UND began with two guys who might be considered founding fathers and who were Chicago Blackhawk teammates--Fido Purpur and John Mariucci.

I guess that was the last known friendship between a Gophper and a Sioux.
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Good one! And im sure you're not being serious..

We travel to the Ralph for the series and stay with my cousins in Fargo who are half Sioux fans and the other half Goph fans, then everyones friends and friends of friends join in, before long theres a solid 3 dozen drunken college hockey fans talking ALOT of smack...

After its all said and done and hangovers have been nursed its still the best rivalry with 2 very good fanbases..
 
SJHovey said:
I'll humor you, and cut you some slack, because you're a newb. We've had this debate on this board for years.

What we were talking about is what Happy accurately described as the "early years" of college hockey, pre-NCAA. Minnesota has assiduously kept careful records of each and every event they played during those years. Other programs, including UND, have treated them as club teams with no coaching staffs, no real University endorsement, and nothing more than curious footnotes to the program's history.

As I said, the programs will simply have to agree to disagree on the significance of those years.

As for Minnesota's competition during those pre-NCAA years, yes they did play teams such as Michigan, Yale, etc...

But...
Dallas A.C.
Tulsa A.C.
M. Cooke and Sons (Duluth)
Hibbing Veterans
Chippewa Falls American Legion
White Bear
Fort Snelling
Ascensions


to name but a few are not exactly household names in college hockey.
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And I'll cut you some slack for your miserable reading comprehension.

MichiganTech, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Yale, Michigan all had school sponsored varsity team's beginning in 1921 (or shortly after).

If you want to call the period between 1921-1946 a club hockey period for your program because your hockey team couldn't get school sponsorship or field a team worthy of playing competitive hockey, then so be it.

That doesn't mean competitive, school sponsored hockey wasn't being played at other institutions. Minnesota's club period was from around 1896-1921.
 
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SJHovey said:
I'll humor you, and cut you some slack, because you're a newb. We've had this debate on this board for years.

What we were talking about is what Happy accurately described as the "early years" of college hockey, pre-NCAA. Minnesota has assiduously kept careful records of each and every event they played during those years. Other programs, including UND, have treated them as club teams with no coaching staffs, no real University endorsement, and nothing more than curious footnotes to the program's history.
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One difference though, is that the University of Minnesota funded their teams, and they even had a coach.

Whenever this question comes up, I like to pose this hypothetical. If six guys that happen to attend the University of North Dakota challenge six guys that happen to attend the University of Minnesota to a game of hockey, should that count as a game in the series history between the Sioux and the Gophers?
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
And I'll cut you some slack for your miserable reading comprehension.

MichiganTech, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Yale, Michigan all had school sponsored varsity team's beginning in 1921 (or shortly after).

If you want to call the period between 1921-1946 a club hockey period for your program because your hockey team couldn't get school sponsorship or field a team worthy of playing competitive hockey, then so be it.

That doesn't mean competitive, school sponsored hockey wasn't being played at other institutions. Minnesota's club period was from around 1896-1921.
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I'm in complete agreement with you here.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I'm in complete agreement with you here.
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Thank you :)

BTW - Thank you for being objective about this. I take back what I said about you not being objective in these discussions in the other thread. I was wrong about you, and I'm man enough to admit that.
 
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JDUBBS1280 said:
Thank you :)

BTW - Thank you for being objective about this. I take back what I said about you not being objective in these discussions in the other thread. I was wrong about you, and I'm man enough to admit that.
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I haven't been around here very long but FS23 is as good as they come for Sioux fans.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
One difference though, is that the University of Minnesota funded their teams, and they even had a coach.

Whenever this question comes up, I like to pose this hypothetical. If six guys that happen to attend the University of North Dakota challenge six guys that happen to attend the University of Minnesota to a game of hockey, should that count as a game in the series history between the Sioux and the Gophers?
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yes, if it happened in 1930.


More interesting, from info I have, one of the biggest reasons Michigan was able to rack up so many NCAA NC in the fifties was they gave out hockey scholarships, and most, if not all, others did not. If you run into any info along those lines, I would appreciate it. like other early college hockey info, it is hard to come by.
 
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gopher wes said:
Gosh, I hope you are right about the bolded portion of your post. It's been awhile since I've heard Mariucci really get rockin'. Those of us faithfuls make noise even when it isn't completely full, but I want a packed house this weekend. No excuses!!
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The empty seats were likely gobbled up by Sioux fans.;)
 
SJHovey said:
11,743 and 11,747 both exceed REA capacity.
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Dude, I watched both games this weekend. Plenty of seats that were empty all game. There is a difference between tickets sold and tickets used. The Gophers have had paid attendances higher then what could have possibly been actual attendances this year. So has Wisconsin. No way they had 9,000 people in the Kohl Center either Friday or Saturday this weekend.
 
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