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Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Brenthoven said:
Let's take a look at the small print, shall we? It also says that the ticket-buyers hold all responsibility to know what's going on in the game, and that the arena/team/etc hold no responsibility for injury from aspects of the game, like flying pucks or bats (in the case of baseball). How many nets have been put up due to lawsuits? Apparently, fine print means nothing.
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I concede your point but I am not altogether sure what relevance it has to the thread topic.

I only offered this up as a way that you can enforce just about any edict you want to in your sporting event venue, if you are the controller of the venue.

Successfully suing someone means having pockets deep enough to do it/see it through or finding an ambulance chaser willing to take the case on a (likely ridiculous) contingency.

Either way, the event "purveyor" holds most of the cards. Not only can a sports team point to this disclaimer on the back of their tickets, but, they can also point out in any potential trial that the buyer increased his or her risk by buying seats that put them in greater peril than they would have been, otherwise, by buying those particular seats.

Dunno what the chance of success in a suit would be against a sporting entity despite these ticket disclaimers.

What this thread could maybe use right now is a visit by FS 23, lawyer and Fighting Sio....uhhhh Nodaks(?) fan.

I guarantee you that the cops would honor any request by venue management to evict any ticket holder wearing something "against venue policy", though.
 
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I would think that it would be unfair to ban fans from wearing apparel that they gladly sold to you in the first place. Perhaps they should allow you to exchange your old "banned" apparel for new stuff. The New England Patriots allowed fans to exchange their Aaron Hernandez jerseys for new ones after he was arrested. I know, it will never happen. But it should if they want to go the banning route. And let the NCAA pay for it!
 
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Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Red Cows said:
I concede your point but I am not altogether sure what relevance it has to the thread topic.

I only offered this up as a way that you can enforce just about any edict you want to in your sporting event venue, if you are the controller of the venue.

Successfully suing someone means having pockets deep enough to do it/see it through or finding an ambulance chaser willing to take the case on a (likely ridiculous) contingency.

Either way, the event "purveyor" holds most of the cards. Not only can a sports team point to this disclaimer on the back of their tickets, but, they can also point out in any potential trial that the buyer increased his or her risk by buying seats that put them in greater peril than they would have been, otherwise, by buying those particular seats.

Dunno what the chance of success in a suit would be against a sporting entity despite these ticket disclaimers.

What this thread could maybe use right now is a visit by FS 23, lawyer and Fighting Sio....uhhhh Nodaks(?) fan.

I guarantee you that the cops would honor any request by venue management to evict any ticket holder wearing something "against venue policy", though.
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It's relevant because apparently they CAN'T always enforce any policy/notice/etc that is on the ticket.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Red Cows said:
Really, when you get right down to it, is the potential insistence by, at this moment, an unknown (probably large) quantity of North Dakota fans to continue wearing Fighting Sioux gear really any different than an element of our society (indeed, even state governments, themselves) insistence on continuing to fly Confederate flags? I don't really see a lot of difference there.
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If you think about it, you answered your own initial question right here.

Notwithstanding intense objection to a state flying the Confederate flag, there is no one out there claiming that people should not be allowed to wear the confederate flag on a shirt, hat, etc..., whether they are attending an NCAA game or not.

That's why no one, other than some UNO fans and JohnsonJerseys, have even considered this question.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

I'm about as anti-Sioux as they come, but this is just dumb.:rolleyes:

In answer, "of-*'ing-course not!"
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

If they did, then they'd likely have to ban ALL potentially offensive logos on clothing.

No Blackhawks jerseys, etc, etc, etc...


Of course they shouldn't try to ban something like this. Stupid.


As a side, our idiotic school district took it upon themselves to ban all apparel depicting Native Americans.

My son will no longer be able to wear his Blackhawks gear to school.

Lovely.


I lean left, but schools and school boards make no sense to me the vast majority of the time. ****ing clown show.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Red Cows said:
If you are the University of North Dakota, how do you explain away your compliance with the NCAA directive on this and then look the other way while your arena is full of people still wearing Fighting Sioux gear? One of the reasons this topic got a lot of discussion over beers is because the assumption was/is that North Dakota fans would shun and/or refuse to acknowledge the upcoming mascot change in any meaningful way for a very long time. Years, we guessed. I can't believe the school administration would be entirely indifferent to this, as the final sentence of your post postulates.
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I think the level of acceptance of a new name really depends on the name selected. If the popular choice of Roughriders is picked, I would gladly purchase some new UND RR gear. Depending on the hockey jerseys, I would likely buy one of those and wear it to all future games. Then I'd frame my current Sioux Jersey and keep it at home. Fighting Hawks and North Stars are a little less loved but I'd probably have some of that gear too. However, if somehow Sundogs gets picked, I think very few people would purchase new gear. I'd rather just buy generic UND gear and wear that instead of whatever a sundog logo is going to look like (Probably similar to the UNO Unicorns).
 
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Bad taste shouldn't be banned.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Slap Shot said:
Bad taste shouldn't be banned.
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I agree, and I oftentimes have bad taste. There are things that offend me, believe it or not, but it's not my place to regulate it. It's not anyone's place to regulate it. I consider it a warning that the person (whomever it may be) has bad taste, and that I don't want to associate with them.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

They should be able to wear it in Omaha as long as the Omaha tribe doesn't mind the city of Omaha using their name.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

MAVFANJEFF said:
They should be able to wear it in Omaha as long as the Omaha tribe doesn't mind the city of Omaha using their name.
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I thought Omaha was named after a beach in Normandy. You mean those cheese eating surrender monkeys stole the name.
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

MAVFANJEFF said:
They should be able to wear it in Omaha as long as the Omaha tribe doesn't mind the city of Omaha using their name.
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A subtlety that had escaped me entirely until you raised it.

You win the thread.
 
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Happy said:
I thought Omaha was named after a beach in Normandy. You mean those cheese eating surrender monkeys stole the name.
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You know I always thought that Peyton Manning was just a big WWII fan and he was naming his favorite battle. Now he's rattling off his favorite Indian tribe?? Not sure how I feel about this....
 
Re: Should UND fans wearing Fighting Sioux gear be denied admission to NCAA arenas?

Red Cows said:
It got started after a discussion about how the Lightning ban ANY opposing team gear from their building. That conversation then morphed into what has become this thread topic.
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Guess I was dreaming when I wore opposing team jerseys to the playoffs back in April in Tampa :rolleyes:

Just wanted to say this is only partially correct, and something I often saw come up back in April-June.

The Lightning ONLY banned opposing logos in two sections of the arena. The Chase club seating, which is a club area behind one of the nets, and the Lexus club seating, which consisted of the very front 2 rows of the lower level. A grand total of about 1,500 seats out of 19,200 or so.
 
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