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Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Still think this merits looking at some gun laws.

Page (Sihk shootings), Holmes (batman shootings), Loughner (Gifford shootings), Cho (VA tech shootings), Harris (Columbine shootings) and McVeigh (OK city) seemed to show a consistent pattern that should be considered legislative opportunities:

1. Semi automatic
2. Concealed
3. Legally purchased
 
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Absolutely cannot get rid of/outlaw/restrict semi-automatic weapons. That is a non-starter. Conversations can't even begin if that is in the room where the table sits. No. Way. In. Hell.
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
Based on... hesitance from the NRA?
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A huge amount of recreational, legal, hunting rifles and shotguns are semi-automatics. The NRA, and ANY other organization, company or individual that hunts will oppose it. I, as a hunter, own a semiautomatic, I will oppose any kind of limits to ownership of semi-automatic weapons. It is simply an unacceptable path to take.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Still think this merits looking at some gun laws.

Page (Sihk shootings), Holmes (batman shootings), Loughner (Gifford shootings), Cho (VA tech shootings), Harris (Columbine shootings) and McVeigh (OK city) seemed to show a consistent pattern that should be considered legislative opportunities:

1. Semi automatic
2. Concealed
3. Legally purchased
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Notice a pattern between most of those?

OK city - Federal building; weapons prohibited
Columbine - a school; weapons prohibited
Virginia Tech - college campus; weapons prohibited
Gifford - near a congressperson; weapons prohibited
Sikh Temple - Not sure if weapons are prohibited, but it wouldn't surprise me
 
Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

5mn_Major said:
Still think this merits looking at some gun laws.

Page (Sihk shootings), Holmes (batman shootings), Loughner (Gifford shootings), Cho (VA tech shootings), Harris (Columbine shootings) and McVeigh (OK city) seemed to show a consistent pattern that should be considered legislative opportunities:

1. Semi automatic
2. Concealed
3. Legally purchased
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Sorry but you can't legislate evil out of people, one way or another evil people will do evil things.

I know that's not what society wants to hear, but it's true.
 
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A semi-automatic is simply a gun that loads the next bullet into the chamber and requires another pull of the trigger for that bullet to be fired.

It's really not an option for a starting point. You want to talk limits on the size of magazines or something, fine, but there's no discussion when the beginning line is eliminating every gun invented in the 20th century.
 
Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Crazy people are going to be crazy. A crazy person could just as easily decide to plow through the crowd in the Sikh parking lot in a Hummer.

Make the laws for violence committed with a gun much more severe. Make shooting somebody prima facie evidence of premeditation (if you didn't want to slice the guy's head off why were you carrying a sword around?). Allow the people who use guns legally and responsibly to exercise their rights, and cream the people who are just exploiting easy access to gun to commit crimes.

Easy peasy.
 
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

FlagDUDE08 said:
Notice a pattern between most of those?

OK city - Federal building; weapons prohibited
Columbine - a school; weapons prohibited
Virginia Tech - college campus; weapons prohibited
Gifford - near a congressperson; weapons prohibited
Sikh Temple - Not sure if weapons are prohibited, but it wouldn't surprise me
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Remember those that have ownership of ensuring societal security...the police...absolutely do not recommend using firearms to deter these criminals. The recommended course of action is to lay low, obey if interacted with and memorize details. This conclusion has been reached over decades of study by the most knowledgeable we have in law enforcement and is universally accepted in that community. So the fact that weapons should not actually have a role ensures that the wishes of police are furthered.

SanTropez said:
Sorry but you can't legislate evil out of people, one way or another evil people will do evil things.

I know that's not what society wants to hear, but it's true.
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Of course, its just whether fists or massively leathal weapons are the tool by which evil manifests itself.

Not saying we necessarily ban stuff...but it seems there is an opportunity for a legal tune up.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Remember those that have ownership of ensuring societal security...the police...absolutely do not recommend using firearms to deter these criminals. The recommended course of action is to lay low, obey if interacted with and memorize details. This conclusion has been reached over decades of study by the most knowledgeable we have in law enforcement and is universally accepted in that community. So the fact that weapons should not actually have a role ensures that the wishes of police are furthered.
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Are you serious? In a life or death situation your number one concern is "ensuring that the wishes of the police are furthered", even if it requires your death? Who gives a rat's what the police wish you did when your life is on the line?
 
Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

5mn_Major said:
Remember those that have ownership of ensuring societal security...the police...absolutely do not recommend using firearms to deter these criminals. The recommended course of action is to lay low, obey if interacted with and memorize details. This conclusion has been reached over decades of study by the most knowledgeable we have in law enforcement and is universally accepted in that community. So the fact that weapons should not actually have a role ensures that the wishes of police are furthered.
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I can understand where they're coming from because most people don't have the knack of dealing with "the enemy", but just waiting for the cops to come while the enemy is raising holy hell, especially if you have not only the ability physically but mentally to take out the enemy, is just plain foolish. People do these crimes, especially in arms-free zones, because they know the chances of "accomplishing the mission" are very high. If you wonder why the theatre assassins had body armour, it's because they knew there was a chance that someone could have a carry and conceal, so they needed to defend themselves. Obviously try to find a weak point, but most of all, stay out of the line of fire. Don't try to be "the hero", but protect as much as you can before cavalry comes in.
 
Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

geezer said:
Are you serious? In a life or death situation your number one concern is "ensuring that the wishes of the police are furthered", even if it requires your death? Who gives a rat's what the police wish you did when your life is on the line?
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Perhaps my point wasn't clear. This is not about making the police happy.

You and I talking about this on a message board does not make us the best to determine how to handle the danger and risks of an unfolding criminal situation. We have no background in understanding how shooters make decisions, how crime scenes unfold, the statistical odds of actions resulting in further fatalities...and frankly, I don't believe any of us has actually ever either met such a criminal or went to a crime scene after its occurance. How could a poster know whether its a good idea pulling a weapon in a crowded theater when the gunman likely has a bulletproof vest on?

The police (and FBI) are the absolute experts based on decades of study on how to manage situations to minimize the loss of life. We should accept that.
 
Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

5mn_Major said:
Still think this merits looking at some gun laws.

Page (Sihk shootings), Holmes (batman shootings), Loughner (Gifford shootings), Cho (VA tech shootings), Harris (Columbine shootings) and McVeigh (OK city) seemed to show a consistent pattern that should be considered legislative opportunities:

1. Semi automatic
2. Concealed
3. Legally purchased
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Tim McVeigh used a semi-automatic fertilizer bomb? Who knew? And a Ryder truck counts as "concealed"? Really? Maybe we need a federal law that fertilizer bombs can only be transported in flat beds.
 
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Re: Shooting at Sikh temple outside of Milwaukee.

Old Pio said:
Wasn't one of them wearing a polka dot dress?
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Looks deadly to me...

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