Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I understood it, too!
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"I was misinformed."
I understood it, too!
"What waters, we're in the desert."
"I was misinformed."
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Shannon Miller out at UMD?
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ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Per this article, Laura Schuler would consider pursuing the UMD opening:
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sp...sistant-schuler-plans-apply-womens-hockey-job
Per this article, Laura Schuler would consider pursuing the UMD opening:
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sp...sistant-schuler-plans-apply-womens-hockey-job
pokechecker
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
it is, but not in the way you think
her pay is a drop in the bucket compared to the UMD budget, that's BS
should she be paid as much as a coach of a male team? let's review that:
based on performance, she shouldn't be paid as much, she should be paid more, 5 national championships in 10 years, nobody else comes close (but in sports, it is what have you done for me lately?)
but the other part of her job is to put fans in the seats to help pay for the program, tickets to the women's game cost 1/5 & 1/10th that of the men's game and they draw 1/5 the crowd= failure
add in that she made political comments that offend half the fan base, ironically it would have played well in Minneapolis or Madison, but in Duluth, especially the surrounding area, not so much
and failure to recruit MN athletes, why would the fan base support her team? winning only goes so far
the last game I attended at Amsoil I was sitting behind a group of HS team, 2 or 3 of the players mildly cheered for UMD, the other 9 or so cheered enthusiatically for the Gophers, when you can't win over local HS girls who you would think dream of playing for the team, you are screwed, they knew they had no chance of ever playing for the team, so why get excited over them?
it is, but not in the way you think
her pay is a drop in the bucket compared to the UMD budget, that's BS
should she be paid as much as a coach of a male team? let's review that:
based on performance, she shouldn't be paid as much, she should be paid more, 5 national championships in 10 years, nobody else comes close (but in sports, it is what have you done for me lately?)
but the other part of her job is to put fans in the seats to help pay for the program, tickets to the women's game cost 1/5 & 1/10th that of the men's game and they draw 1/5 the crowd= failure
add in that she made political comments that offend half the fan base, ironically it would have played well in Minneapolis or Madison, but in Duluth, especially the surrounding area, not so much
and failure to recruit MN athletes, why would the fan base support her team? winning only goes so far
the last game I attended at Amsoil I was sitting behind a group of HS team, 2 or 3 of the players mildly cheered for UMD, the other 9 or so cheered enthusiatically for the Gophers, when you can't win over local HS girls who you would think dream of playing for the team, you are screwed, they knew they had no chance of ever playing for the team, so why get excited over them?
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It is not a head coach's job to put fans in the seats... That is the job of your marketing department. And UMD's marketing department has proven time and again that they have no interest in any sport that is not football or men's hockey
Biddco
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Have you been paying attention the last many months? They've significantly picked up their marketing of teams not hockey or football.
FiveHoleFrenzy
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0YX6Jgq7Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VYy86elFw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0YX6Jgq7Ng
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8VYy86elFw
giwan
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
That was not what was said as that would be illegal. They did say they would "focus" on a woman as coach and frankly even that is on the edge.
Even if this were a purely financial reason, it would take over ten years to save with a $4.5 million debt. More to this story. They should also spend money on a public relations firm to help them handle such issues.
That was not what was said as that would be illegal. They did say they would "focus" on a woman as coach and frankly even that is on the edge.
Even if this were a purely financial reason, it would take over ten years to save with a $4.5 million debt. More to this story. They should also spend money on a public relations firm to help them handle such issues.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
While true, I think it's a crock so long as it is plainly evident that women are never considered for positions coaching a men's team.
This is true only if you assume that it's the only place they are cutting expenses.
While true, I think it's a crock so long as it is plainly evident that women are never considered for positions coaching a men's team.
This is true only if you assume that it's the only place they are cutting expenses.
Royale with Cheese
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I have seen this stated as fact over and over, maybe I missed something but I think it more a failure to land the Minnesota kids they recruited than failing to recruit them. In womens hockey it seems that except for the family, friends, and coaches of the player themselves no one really knows what schools are in contact or part of a players short list. I can tell you that UMD was pretty active with some of the top players a few years ago but didn't land them. It may have been that they didn't like the idea of a dry team, or living off campus, or the way Miller liked to really segregate the players from the rest of the student body. Maybe it was the weather, I doubt there is a campus that has fewer days in shorts and flip flops in the country (the Beavers at least have a tunnel system). Certainly the facilities are top notch with the way they have a near exact mirror of the mens facilities (thanks to Miller's power at the time that Amsoil was built). What ever the case is I think it is more a case of failing to land many of the top recruits from Minnesota and choosing to go else where rather than not recruiting in Minnesota. She did chose to no go after the same pool of players as St. Cloud, BSU, and MSU did. Those teams have historically struggled with their strategy, like her or loath her when they won their 5th they had pretty much won half of them in any sport of any size that is impressive.
I have seen this stated as fact over and over, maybe I missed something but I think it more a failure to land the Minnesota kids they recruited than failing to recruit them. In womens hockey it seems that except for the family, friends, and coaches of the player themselves no one really knows what schools are in contact or part of a players short list. I can tell you that UMD was pretty active with some of the top players a few years ago but didn't land them. It may have been that they didn't like the idea of a dry team, or living off campus, or the way Miller liked to really segregate the players from the rest of the student body. Maybe it was the weather, I doubt there is a campus that has fewer days in shorts and flip flops in the country (the Beavers at least have a tunnel system). Certainly the facilities are top notch with the way they have a near exact mirror of the mens facilities (thanks to Miller's power at the time that Amsoil was built). What ever the case is I think it is more a case of failing to land many of the top recruits from Minnesota and choosing to go else where rather than not recruiting in Minnesota. She did chose to no go after the same pool of players as St. Cloud, BSU, and MSU did. Those teams have historically struggled with their strategy, like her or loath her when they won their 5th they had pretty much won half of them in any sport of any size that is impressive.
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
UMD also has tunnels and connected buildings that make it possible to never go outside when the temperature drops. I'll give you that it's colder by the lake in the spring, but it usually wasn't that bad on campus as compared to downtown.
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Not saying that you meant it this way but this wording could easily be taken negatively when in fact the concept is a positive one.
The "hockey houses" are not mandatory but to my knowledge most players buy into the concept which is simply designed as a team building tool by allowing the players to not only play and practice together but to live together thereby developing deeper bonds of friendship and trust and to share part of their journey into adulthood and independence.
Like everything else in life there are pros and cons to this but I would think that the positives far outweigh the negatives and nothing prevents a player in this situation from opting out and finding other accommodations if they choose to do so.
Not saying that you meant it this way but this wording could easily be taken negatively when in fact the concept is a positive one.
The "hockey houses" are not mandatory but to my knowledge most players buy into the concept which is simply designed as a team building tool by allowing the players to not only play and practice together but to live together thereby developing deeper bonds of friendship and trust and to share part of their journey into adulthood and independence.
Like everything else in life there are pros and cons to this but I would think that the positives far outweigh the negatives and nothing prevents a player in this situation from opting out and finding other accommodations if they choose to do so.
brookyone
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
A policy that somewhat contradicts the oft heard proponents of UMD, Shannon Miller and her recruiting strategy. Throughout her tenure it was the diversity of culture on campus...associated student body interaction and exposure to that diversity that was frequently touted as such a beneficial byproduct of her recruiting strategy.
Timothy A
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Beaver that have tunnels!? Bulldogs that have tunnels?! This whole freaking state is gophercentric. Or it's full of cold weather pansies. Or both.
It would be silly to not consider a male for the job. They haven't said they wouldn't, but all signs point in that direction. There may be a male candidate that is more qualified than the best female. Are they more interested in a political statement or winning hockey games?
Beaver that have tunnels!? Bulldogs that have tunnels?! This whole freaking state is gophercentric. Or it's full of cold weather pansies. Or both.
It would be silly to not consider a male for the job. They haven't said they wouldn't, but all signs point in that direction. There may be a male candidate that is more qualified than the best female. Are they more interested in a political statement or winning hockey games?
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
So I take it that, if Wisconsin fires Mike Eaves, you'll be vocal about Shannon Miller being considered for the job?
So I take it that, if Wisconsin fires Mike Eaves, you'll be vocal about Shannon Miller being considered for the job?
Blackbeard
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Players from different countries and cultures living together...I'd say that was direct in your face exposure to diversity. Having room mates and team mates from across the planet many of whom through the process become good friends and remain so after they graduate further serving as international cross cultural contacts for one another for whatever purposes...I'd say that it's huge. How many of us know people who have had this tremendous opportunity for personal growth? I would guess not many.
What I didn't mention is that there is nothing precluding athletes from others sports from living in these "hockey houses". As a matter of fact, one doesn't even have to be a UMD athlete...so, there is no heavy hand dictating any rules as far as who qualifies to live in these houses. And the real estate is all privately owned with those owners usually being quite thrilled that players on the women's hockey team are their tenants, among others. By default, it's another way of connecting with the community. There is no administrative involvement by UMD...the concept is encouraged and that is it...if you're interested, you work it out with other interested players/individuals...find a home, transact with landlords/landladies, sign leases, etc..
Now one might argue that "allowing" non women's hockey players to reside there if they wish just waters down the purpose of the initial intent. That was my initial thought when I heard about it.. But to the extent that it occurs, and it's not a high percentage of the time, it strikes me as being the best of both worlds for those involved with the majority still being women's hockey players.
Players from different countries and cultures living together...I'd say that was direct in your face exposure to diversity. Having room mates and team mates from across the planet many of whom through the process become good friends and remain so after they graduate further serving as international cross cultural contacts for one another for whatever purposes...I'd say that it's huge. How many of us know people who have had this tremendous opportunity for personal growth? I would guess not many.
What I didn't mention is that there is nothing precluding athletes from others sports from living in these "hockey houses". As a matter of fact, one doesn't even have to be a UMD athlete...so, there is no heavy hand dictating any rules as far as who qualifies to live in these houses. And the real estate is all privately owned with those owners usually being quite thrilled that players on the women's hockey team are their tenants, among others. By default, it's another way of connecting with the community. There is no administrative involvement by UMD...the concept is encouraged and that is it...if you're interested, you work it out with other interested players/individuals...find a home, transact with landlords/landladies, sign leases, etc..
Now one might argue that "allowing" non women's hockey players to reside there if they wish just waters down the purpose of the initial intent. That was my initial thought when I heard about it.. But to the extent that it occurs, and it's not a high percentage of the time, it strikes me as being the best of both worlds for those involved with the majority still being women's hockey players.
brookyone
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Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
Except the very frequent claim was for, of the benefits of that diversity for and throughout the campus and student body. Not to worry. I knew that impact was being oversold every time I read it. My point was not that it's a bad idea or unusual.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
I have been paying attention and yes, it has gotten better as of late. But when the UMD Bulldogs Twitter account only gives the play by play of football and men's hockey, even though both teams have their own accounts in which they can do that from, it is clear they still only want to put their energy into those two sports. I recall that during this season's playoff run by the volleyball team, men's hockey was also playing at the same time. UMD did not post any updates about volleyball until after the second set because they were too consumed with the play by play of men's hockey. If you're going to have a general UMD Athletics Twitter handle, it should be representative of all sports and not just two.
I have been paying attention and yes, it has gotten better as of late. But when the UMD Bulldogs Twitter account only gives the play by play of football and men's hockey, even though both teams have their own accounts in which they can do that from, it is clear they still only want to put their energy into those two sports. I recall that during this season's playoff run by the volleyball team, men's hockey was also playing at the same time. UMD did not post any updates about volleyball until after the second set because they were too consumed with the play by play of men's hockey. If you're going to have a general UMD Athletics Twitter handle, it should be representative of all sports and not just two.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
This living situation also helps the European players adjust to life in the States a bit better. Gives them a few people (and usually at least one roommate has a car) who can help them with confusing university paperwork or just things like getting around town and getting to a grocery store. But not every roommate is always a teammate. Some choose to live with friends outside of the team as well as teammates.
This living situation also helps the European players adjust to life in the States a bit better. Gives them a few people (and usually at least one roommate has a car) who can help them with confusing university paperwork or just things like getting around town and getting to a grocery store. But not every roommate is always a teammate. Some choose to live with friends outside of the team as well as teammates.
Re: Shannon Miller out at UMD?
You say that like the players aren't allowed to have friends outside of hockey. Unfortunately, the demographic make-up of Duluth is about 90% Caucasian so regardless of their living situation they aren't exposed to much diversity anyway.
You say that like the players aren't allowed to have friends outside of hockey. Unfortunately, the demographic make-up of Duluth is about 90% Caucasian so regardless of their living situation they aren't exposed to much diversity anyway.