SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

[Red Cloud]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

No, you're upset that your guy is this season's "Trevor Bruess".

Still not getting it. Sigh. Oh well. I'm not going to try to force you to. I'll let you get back to your Two Minutes Hate.

 

[TRITT22]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Irrelevant to the discussion. Refs have never nor will they ever "see" everything that happens in a game.

McLoid stated publicly that he, in no uncertain terms, was ****ed a penalty wasn't called. Do you think it is irrevelant to the officials who were working the game after being called out?

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Irrelevant to the discussion. Refs have never nor will they ever "see" everything that happens in a game.

And there are times the in-game penalty doesn't fit the pattern of behaviour of a particular player.

And hence the need for "SECTION 10: Supplemental Discipline."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

McLoid stated publicly that he, in no uncertain terms, was ****ed a penalty wasn't called. Do you think it is irrevelant to the officials who were working the game after being called out?

They have video review of their performance every night. Every game errors are made. These are human beings, not robots.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Still not getting it. Sigh. Oh well. I'm not going to try to force you to.

I'm tired of your patronization attempts. The technique fails you.

I've cited the cause and authority for the WCHA to act as it has.

You seem to have trouble "getting" that.


PS - Have you actually read Orwell, or are you just trying to sound smart. Cliff's Notes don't count. If so, try Huxley's "Brave New World" next. Some day Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

PS - Have you actually read Orwell, or are you just trying to sound smart. Cliff's Notes don't count. If so, try Huxley's "Brave New World" next. Some day Rand's "Atlas Shrugged".

Have not only read Orwell's "Nineteen Eighty-four" but also "Animal Farm." Read Huxley, and "Atlas Shrugged" happens to be what I'm reading on my Kindle at the moment.

Sicatoka, please. This is really, really silly. There's no one here claiming contact to the head isn't a penalty. There's no one claiming McLeod doesn't have the authority to banninate whoever he wants to banninate. If you want to continue to repeat this ad nauseum in an attempt to convince people skeptical of the necessity of the suspension and/or its length, I invite you to do so with gusto.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

5. Most agree that the suspension of 3 games is excessive for that hit, however, is more than likely a make-up call for the inadequate punishment of the hit on Genoway and the fact that it came from the same guy. Aye.

I disagree that it's solely a make up call. It's a progressively more severe punishment for a pattern of behavior. If Marvin does it again, he'll probably get more than 3 games and maybe even a permanent ban.

If that happens, you'll probably be able to argue that the specific hit didn't deserve a permanent ban, but you'd need to exclude the pattern of behavior that has caused the sanctions to be so severe.

 

[SCSU Euro]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I think that Marvin shouldn't get 3 games for it, but he left himself wide open with that Genoway hit.

Lets let both sides face these facts:

-SCSU fans aren't gonna be convinced Marvin's dirty because of one dirty hit, and one questionable hit AFTER a dirty hit (I think if the Geoffrion one had been last year instead, it wouldn't have been but a blip on the radar)

-Everyone else isn't gonna be convinced Marvin's clean because most have only seem about 10 minutes of him play over the last three years, and most of it on YouTube.

Marvin takes himself out of Mankato and the 1st game of the WCHA playoffs, fine, SCSU has to pull themselves together and rebound, and we go from there.

And boy, I hope if SCSU sees UND or UW in the F5 things stay clean, regardless of the score.

 

[PCM]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

PCM, if there was really a "zero tolerance" policy on CTH, there'd be far more suspensions handed out. Which is what I'm trying to illustrate and which you seem to be too thick to understand. So that's where your strawman begins.

Unlike you, I understand that the reason officials are given the discretion to assess a DQ for contact to the head is because there are varying degrees at which it occurs. This season, I've seen many players (including UND players) assessed minor penalties for contact to the head. Some of that contact was deliberate, some of it was accidental and some of it was incidental.

None of the contact to the head penalties I've witnessed that received minor penalties were anything like Marvin's hits on Genoway on Goeffrion. Nobody was knocked out of the game because of them. Nobody (to my knowledge) received a concussion. I would hope that officials properly use the discretion they've been given to assess a minor when it's deserved and a major when it's deserved.

And I would also hope that the WCHA would use its authority to hold those players accountable who show a tendency to deliever dangerous hits to the head that jeopardize the safety of other players.

You, however, seem to believe that because not every contact to the head penalty is called and because not every player is suspended for contact to the head, the rule and the policy no longer apply. Just because the rule and the policy are not perfectly applied at all times doesn't mean they cease to exist.

 

[Montelena]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Unfortunately, for the balance of the season, the WCHA on-ice officials will overcompensate and be hair trigger on their calls and now will be held to even more scrutiny. The end result is a less enjoyable experience for the fans.

 

[motox]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I disagree that it's solely a make up call. It's a progressively more severe punishment for a pattern of behavior. If Marvin does it again, he'll probably get more than 3 games and maybe even a permanent ban.

If that happens, you'll probably be able to argue that the specific hit didn't deserve a permanent ban, but you'd need to exclude the pattern of behavior that has caused the sanctions to be so severe.

Agreed. Only thing I would personally question is the "pattern of behavior" claim. I completely get where it's coming from due to the Genoway hit and the fact that he hit Geoffrion in the head. My only argument is that the second hit in this "pattern" was in no way intentional and essentially wrong place at the wrong time. Which I know holds little water to some of you. Unfortunately it's something Marvin has to deal with. He also needs to understand that his play and more specifically his hits will be put under the microscope by the league. As a St. Cloud fan that's frustrating since Marvin is one of our few physical players on the ice. It is what it is.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

2. I think a lot of people agree with each other on most parts of this discussion, everyone is just caught up in hating us, and us returning the hate

You guys aren't anywhere near my hate radar and most of the time I don't even remember that you exist at all.

Kidding. I actually root for you guys to win a game at the NCAA's. To be honest, I kind of pity you, when I think of you at all.

 

[PCM]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Dude, your common sense isn't welcome around here.

I said nearly the same thing here four days ago. So why are you so determined to argue with me and not him?

 

[Dirty]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Unfortunately, for the balance of the season, the WCHA on-ice officials will overcompensate and be hair trigger on their calls and now will be held to even more scrutiny. The end result is a less enjoyable experience for the fans.

And it's all Aaron Marvin's fault. When and where do we pick up the torches & pitchforks?

 

[TRITT22]

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They have video review of their performance every night. Every game errors are made. These are human beings, not robots.

Exactly. And I'm sure McLeod reviewed the video before stating that much to his "chigrin" there was no penalty called. It occurred at center ice, Geoffrion had the puck, and it was completely missed?? I agree errors are made, penalties are not called, etc. But this one?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Exactly. And I'm sure McLeod reviewed the video before stating that much to his "chigrin" there was no penalty called. It occurred at center ice, Geoffrion had the puck, and it was completely missed?? I agree errors are made, penalties are not called, etc. But this one?

How much hockey do you watch? Happens all the time.

 

[Red Cloud]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Unlike you, I understand that the reason officials are given the discretion to assess a DQ for contact to the head is because there are varying degrees at which it occurs.

This is the first time you've displayed this level of understanding. Congratulations.

None of the contact to the head penalties I've witnessed that received minor penalties were anything like Marvin's hits on Genoway on Goeffrion. Nobody was knocked out of the game because of them.

So in other words, the effect is what's important here.

And I would also hope that the WCHA would use its authority to hold those players accountable who show a tendency to deliever dangerous hits to the head that jeopardize the safety of other players.

If you want to believe Marvin licked his chops and teed off on Geoffrion's head intentionally, I'm not going to stop you. I'll believe what I saw in the video and not what you wanted to see.

You, however, seem to believe that because not every contact to the head penalty is called and because not every player is suspended for contact to the head, the rule and the policy no longer apply. Just because the rule and the policy are not perfectly applied at all times doesn't mean they cease to exist.

Please. I would like you to go back and find something that I said along the lines of "it wasn't called so therefore there can't be a suspension." Please do this so you can prove that you're right about what I believe.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

So in other words, the effect is what's important here.

Always has been. I pointed that out earlier. Anyone who thinks otherwise lives in La La Land.

 

[ts8801]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

Instead of continuing the cluster F, of this thread lets move on to a different but related topic. Multiple people have brought up the point of the injured player being concussed as part of the reason for the suspension. Does the NCAA or WCHA have any rules where any player that gets knocked out or concussed during the game they have to sit out X amount of time?

 

[ts8801]

Re: SCSU Season Thread 2-Do We Hate Everybody as Much as They Hate Us?

I said nearly the same thing here four days ago. So why are you so determined to argue with me and not him?

how many of us do you actually think read your blog?